ROFR and Discrimination - Prove it DOESN'T exist

[ILoveMyDVC]

I'm so sorry about you puppy! I'm on the other end with my 16.5 yo "puppy" who has been my heart dog and wondering how much longer I have as the decline is obvious. I hope yours pulls thru and you get many wonderful years with her.

We got the GSD puppy to give more life to our 9 year old GSD with DM. She has a wheelchair now. The end is closer than I want to see.

 

[Bing Showei]

I took my 6 month old puppy to be spayed last Friday.

Ok. This took a turn.

Not gonna lie, I thought you were either referring to yourself or speaking in metaphor when you mentioned something about a “sick puppy.” This sounds awful and I can see how this might color perspective on how life can often work against us. I’m sorry this is happening.

As it pertains to ROFR (and honestly all things we tend to rage at while waiting in a long line, sitting in traffic, or waiting for a returned text/email), any perceived slights we feel are amplified because of an acute sensitivity to the urgency we feel in these situation; in your case, a much needed respite from all things ailing-puppy.

I think CookiesandOatmeal and Kathy made a great suggestion that maybe you take a break from watching the boiler pot. I know it’s hard, but this whole Disney timeshare thing can really suck you in given how, for so many of us, the product itself embodies escapism like no other.

ROFR sucks. When it means as much to you as it does in this instance, its complete suckage will only be magnified.

A little perspective… a few weeks from now, regardless of whether or not Disney takes your contracts, you’ll still have amazing trips to plan with your beautiful grandson (who will have no memory of the year he was kept from spending more time with Grandma), you’ll still be cancer free, and in all likelihood, you’ll find you don’t have enough time in a day because healthy, happy, boisterous puppies are a time-suck.

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

Ok. This took a turn.

Not gonna lie, I thought you were either referring to yourself or speaking in metaphor when you mentioned something about a “sick puppy.” This sounds awful and I can see how this might color perspective on how life can often work against us. I’m sorry this is happening.

As it pertains to ROFR (and honestly all things we tend to rage at while waiting in a long line, sitting in traffic, or waiting for a returned text/email), any perceived slights we feel are amplified because of an acute sensitivity to the urgency we feel in these situation; in your case, a much needed respite from all things ailing-puppy.

I think CookiesandOatmeal and Kathy made a great suggestion that maybe you take a break from watching the boiler pot. I know it’s hard, but this whole Disney timeshare thing can really suck you in given how, for so many of us, the product itself embodies escapism like no other.

ROFR sucks. When it means as much to you as it does in this instance, its complete suckage will only be magnified.

A little perspective… a few weeks from now, regardless of whether or not Disney takes your contracts, you’ll still have amazing trips to plan with your beautiful grandson (who will have no memory of the year he was kept from spending more time with Grandma), you’ll still be cancer free, and in all likelihood, you’ll find you don’t have enough time in a day because healthy, happy, boisterous puppies are a time-suck.

Thank you.

 

[RoseGold]

We see it all the time. Someone's contract for $102/ppt fails but two days later the 'same' contract for $98/ppt passes.

Nope.

The math is public from the tax records, and you can see exactly the range that is getting ROFRed any particular time.

This is math. You want to make accusations like this, show us the math.

 

[Sandisw]

As mentioned the process of ROFR is an agreement between the owner and Disney.

So, whatever and however DVD decides Is part of their right.

I think part of this is that they do have goals and reasons for why they pass or take. But there are so many things involved that it is not just bottom line price...which is certainly a big piece

i have heard it’s sometime the actual unit it’s deeded to because of other things are already owned and it allows them to cluster differently.

I am really sorry this on top of your puppy is causing more stress. It’s one of the biggest drawbacks of resale...the waiting and potentially having to start again.

I do agree that as a seller I would have never agreed to just 30 days. Once I had a buyer and it went to ROFR it was sold unless the buyer backEd out which was rare.

Once a closing date passes the buyer can so I never agreed to anything less than 45 days and last year both were 60.

 

[Brian Noble]

How do we know there is no discrimination with ROFR

What difference does it make? No matter how the decisions get made, they are out of my control. It's taken me a long time to wrap my head around this, but I've discovered I'm a lot happier when I focus on what I can control rather than what I can't---and if I can be ruthlessly honest about which is which.

The kicker is almost nothing is in my control.

I hear your frustration, for sure! It's hard for me to wait for something that I really want---and I'm in that position in another area of my life right now. I have the option to do the equivalent of "buy direct" instead of waiting, but for now I am willing to wait to see what happens.

 

[lovethesun12]

What difference does it make? No matter how the decisions get made, they are out of my control. It's taken me a long time to wrap my head around this, but I've discovered I'm a lot happier when I focus on what I can control rather than what I can't---and if I can be ruthlessly honest about which is which.

The kicker is almost nothing is in my control.

I hear your frustration, for sure! It's hard for me to wait for something that I really want---and I'm in that position in another area of my life right now. I have the option to do the equivalent of "buy direct" instead of waiting, but for now I am willing to wait to see what happens.

I agree with this. I inquired about purchasing direct right before I sent two resale contracts and both passed.

I would love to know exactly what goes into a ROFR decision but I'm convinced it's similar to why I buy chicken at the grocery store - need more and/or great price.

 

[Chuck S]

Another trigger for ROFR may be even simpler, an existing member wants a direct add on at a particular resort, in a particular use year, and DVC needs points to sell them. Maybe the member doesn't want to do resale for any number of the points. It doesn't always have to do with price, but what DVC has requests for in new purchases.

 

[we"reofftoneverland]

I wouldn’t put anything past any corporation, especially in this day and age, but for what it’s worth I’m pretty sure Disney management hates my politics lol and they haven’t RoFRed us yet. 5 resale all passed. And we got all of them at very low prices.
You were the big okw extended contract, right? Did it get taken? I hope not. Wishing you luck.

 

[cvjw]

How would disney know your race, religion, etc to discriminate against you? We have purchased 6 resale contracts. None asked me any of those personal questions.

Sorry about your puppy.

 

[Matty B13]

I've had 2 contracts in ROFR while on a waitlist for Direct Points for the same resorts, the resale points made it through ROFR before I was offered the points direct by a week. I was worried the whole time they would ROFR my resale contracts to have me purchase the points direct. When I told the Guide I didn't need the direct points anymore, he was surprised when I told him I already bought them through resale. So no they don't monitor they ROFR contracts and correlate them to people buying direct.

 

[The Jackal]

The rules actually say Disney must have 30 days notice to exercise its right of refusal. Not 35, 40 or, as we are seeing here, 50+ days of tying up someone's money, time and plans.

Disney must be given at least 30 days, but can exercise their ROFR right up to the closing date.

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

How would disney know your race, religion, etc to discriminate against you? We have purchased 6 resale contracts. None asked me any of those personal questions.

Sorry about your puppy.

Thank you.
Google

 

[cvjw]

Thank you.
Google

I seriously doubt DVC is googling prospective resale buyer and trying to figure out their race, religion, etc to see if they want to discriminate against them and take their contracts in ROFR. I think you are overthinking this.

 

[cherylmc]

I took my 6 month old puppy to be spayed last Friday. She was given 1 pain killed to be cut in half and given the next day in 2 doses, By sunday she was throwing up. The pill caused an ulcer in her GI tract that ruptured her stomach and she went septic. We were told by the state's premier emergency vet hospital she would die. She made it through the surgery. She is still hospitalized a week later, now with pneumonia.

I am so sorry for the stress and the emotional burden this must be causing. My heart goes out to you. I completely understand wanting to find something to provide a diversion and a positive result. You are going through a very tough situation - I hope you feel the support from the people who have recognized the emotional weight of what you are experiencing. I'm sure this is an extremely challenging time - I hope things improve for you and the puppy very soon.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

I have some time on my hands today; I'm in a bad mood (very sick little puppy) and anxiety over a sudden life change to buy $$$$ in resale that is nothing short of a pipe dream due to the mystery of ROFR. So please bear with me.
How do we know there is no discrimination with ROFR because Disney says so. Show me a Judge in a court of law...
Maybe the CM is on the boards and doesn't like soneone's politics or a nasy comment or maybe Disey wants a certain racial or ethnic balance? Maybe taking a tour to buy points puts your name in a database that triggers a refusal so you'll be pushed to buy direct. Maybe it is age related. Perhaps they favor one resaler over another. All I know is that there is something gravely wrong with a blind hidden uneven process that causes so much strife. Let it be open and honest. Tell people the rules of the game. It is a game afterall.

Discrimination? LOL. No, there's no discrimination. I did the DVC tour and my name was in a database, yet my contract still passed ROFR. And to be honest, why would DVC tell everyone exactly what contracts fit their current criteria to buy back? If they did, people would stop making those offers. This is how ROFR works across any industry. It is DVC's right to buy back whatever they want and they don't have to tell us anything. I know someone who got ROFR'd 4 times before finally getting through. It had zero to do with discrimination...it's just that those contracts fit the criteria of what DVC would buy back. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

Thank you.
Google

If you think DVC is googling everyone to see their race/ethnicity/etc in order to make ROFR decisions then maybe buying a DVC contract isn't for you. Just rent or something. Or maybe you are just trying to throw some hot button word like "discrimination" out there to start some ridiculous debate for some reason. I have no idea. But as it has been said multiple times, the information IS public. There isn't some conspiracy, it's all in black and white. If you want to be assured to get through ROFR then up your offer a little. Or buy at a different resort. Or buy a larger contract. Change one or two of the factors and that could make a big difference, because your contracts being submitted (I'm assuming they are all similar) are obviously in their cross hairs. For example, if I submit a $155 BCV 200pt contract and it gets taken in ROFR and then I submit a $157 BCV 200pt contract a month later and that one gets taken also then DVC obviously wants those 200pt BCV contracts in that price range. I would be annoyed, but I surely wouldn't blindly accuse DVC of discrimination. That would be...crazy.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

Here in the US they are innocent until proven guilty. We don't have to prove Disney is NOT doing something. You have to prove they ARE. I can not imagine they have the time or care to google perspective buyers and decide if they want them as owners. They have far better things to do with their time.

But since you think they do.... Give us some shred of evidence to back up your claim, or it's completely frivolous.

 

[sndral]

There have been threads through the years regarding the ROFR monkey & why some contracts are taken and others not. If DVC has a direct buyer that wants to buy 200 points they can ROFR a contract at that resort for 200 points, or they can ROFR 2 100 point contracts but both must be in the same unit to be combined for the new direct sale which easily explains why they’d ROFR one but not another otherwise identical contract. They used to have to match use year too, but they changed that. If the contract is stripped then they have to wait to sell it until it has points available, so they may pass that one in favor of a more expensive contract with available points - or vice versa if they’re targeting inventory for future demand. I’ve read that they may avoid international contracts because of the tax issues. There may be other factors, maybe they prefer to not ROFR contracts w/ Disney mortgages, who knows.
Timeline wise, last time I bought resale it seemed some passed pretty fast & some ROFR’ed pretty fast, of the slower moving contracts some were taken & others passed.
Frankly, although you are obsessing about this to the point of seeing non existent conspiracies, I’ve never seen a shred of evidence that DVC is targeting any particular demographic or individual.
The resale process and timeline is never perfectly predictable, as the 3 sellers who accepted purchase offers you made and then reneged on in pursuit of a more perfect contract learned https://www.disboards.com/threads/i...edited-pg-3-with-decision-and-thanks.3833761/ and you are thinking about doing it again to another seller https://www.disboards.com/threads/e...-you-might-rescind-depending-on-rofr.3835619/ maybe it’s just karma.

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

My $108 OKW e was

If you think DVC is googling everyone to see their race/ethnicity/etc in order to make ROFR decisions then maybe buying a DVC contract isn't for you. Just rent or something. Or maybe you are just trying to throw some hot button word like "discrimination" out there to start some ridiculous debate for some reason. I have no idea. But as it has been said multiple times, the information IS public. There isn't some conspiracy, it's all in black and white. If you want to be assured to get through ROFR then up your offer a little. Or buy at a different resort. Or buy a larger contract. Change one or two of the factors and that could make a big difference, because your contracts being submitted (I'm assuming they are all similar) are obviously in their cross hairs. For example, if I submit a $155 BCV 200pt contract and it gets taken in ROFR and then I submit a $157 BCV 200pt contract a month later and that one gets taken also then DVC obviously wants those 200pt BCV contracts in that price range. I would be annoyed, but I surely wouldn't blindly accuse DVC of discrimination. That would be...crazy.

My $1098 OKW Extedned was passed today, but thanks. You seem angry. I was under lots of anxiety and sadness.