Refuse to give Disney your Finger-print?

[lshaw]

This thread has gotten very long, very fast, so a lot of folks are just commenting on the OP without reading the whole thread. Let me refer you all back to my first post in this thread (#76, at the very top of Page 6):

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1445282&page=6

In that post I explain why I dislike the finger scans and what it is about them that makes me nervous.



1) That's a mighty extreme reaction to the OP. I guess we really are lucky you don't work the gate. Let me remind you that Disney does not require the finger scan - you have the option of showing ID instead.

2) What's crazy is automatically doing anything you are told, no matter how invasive or unsettling, without question. Blind faith is the surest path to abuse.

3) I'll buck any system that I feel is unreasonably invasive of my privacy, or that I feel is illegal, un-Constitutional, or dangerous, whether it's a government system or one from a private company. Standing up for your rights as an individual is the most patriotic, American thing a person can do; the Founding Fathers standing up for their rights is the whole reason this country exists in the first place.

4) This system is demonstrably NOT in place for anyone's safety. It is in place to prevent sharing and transferring of park passes.

5) I disagree that the OP is looking for a confrontation. OP simply seems uncomfortable about the finger scan; I understand this, because I am too.

6) I hope whatever you wish on other people, good or bad, comes back on you.

7) Here on earth, we like to protect ourselves from identity theft, stalking, and plain old house burglaries, by limiting the amount of our personal info that floats around in the public domain.

And YES, I most certainly do have something to hide - my LIFE. I have a right to privacy, and I dislike anything that erodes that right, even a small thing like Disney keeping a biometric identifier tag from me and storing it along with my other sensitive personal information.

For the record, I also don't like the bag checks, which is why I limit my park paraphernalia to stuff I can carry on my belt or in my pockets, so I can skip the bag check most of the time. When I do have a bag of some kind, I comply with the mandatory bag check - I just don't like it.

Perhaps someday IF there is a threat from a terrorist group or what not and they actually FIND something in one of those bags they are checking you will thank your LUCKY STARS that they do check those bags! Disney World is the happiest place on earth, the chances are very good that somebody someday is going to try something at a large gathering (such as Disney World) that will claim MANY civilian lives. Lets hope not, but in any event at least Disney is doing what they can to protect us!!

 

[I'mNoPrince]

I totally agree, and because this finger scan is supposed to keep a thief from stealing your tickets and trying to use them to gain entry to the park, I would think that no one would object. I just hope these people never become a victim of park ticket theivery (is that a word? ha ha)

This would be the biggest problem if

1 the ticket was not signed like it's suppose to be when skipping the Bios

2 now no Bios is assigned to the ticket and could be used by the party that has it in the possession. this could be from theft or just simple forgot at the FP machine.

APs easliy replaced regular ticket not so easy and when the looked at the group (ones not lost) and see no Bios for them but used they would not be able to replace that ticket.If it's attached to a KTTK then thats another story.

 

[LadyTrampScamp&Angel]

know exactly what they do. The scanners sprinkle me with pixie dust and allow me to enter a magical fantasyland where I leave my worries behind me and I know that I am about to have a Disney day

A nation of non-thinkers? Silly to give ourselves up to "big brother"? Where does that come into play? So anyone who puts their finger on a thing that doesn't even take a picture or your fingerprint or whatever is a non-thinker?

That's just not fair.

Yeah, that seemed unfair to me too. Because people don't think 100% the same way you do doesn't mean they are non-thinkers.

As for the identity theft thing (started several pages back), I know first hand of a identity theft case where several people's SSN's were stolen from the trash, from a dumpster outside a doctor's office. The office had thrown out records with the SSN's without shreading them. Personally that kind of scenario worries me much more than Disney, and it's something I coudn't control, the patients had no idea that was going to happen. I guess I could opt out of ever seeing a doctor It can happen, it would be a huge pain, but I still think the chances are slim - I'll still go to Disney and scan my finger - and to my doc.

Personally I think damaging identity theft is more likely to happen in the kind of situation I cited above than at Disney. Although I certainly can see if you are that serious about it and would rather show an ID than scan your finger - go for it. To each his own and while I think it's extreme, it's certainly up to you and I won't call anyone names for choosing to do it.

 

[luvgoing2disney]

Originally Posted by QuirkyButterfly
I would like to offer a different view on why I am unwilling to give my fingerprints. I am an Australian citizen and to my knowledge have never had my fingerprints taken. I used to work at Parliament House (White House equivalent for the Americans) and they never took my print to get a security pass. I have nothing to hide in my past to incriminate me, but as an Australian I don't want another country's government to have my prints. I know it is just Disney but I don't know where my prints are going to end up. I realise that I am going to be called paranoid by most people on the board, but if any Americans here wan't to go to another country are you happy with the idea of them having your prints?


A lot of us felt the same way on September 10, 2001. September 11 changed all that.

 

[perdidochas]

Ah, but they do have, in their opinion, a just cause and that is to prevent illegal use of someone else's tickets therefore depriving them of income needed to continue to run the parks. On many levels I disagree with this because I always feel that after I have paid them for the ticket it is my property and if I want someone else to use it, that is my business. That, however, is a completely different thread.

That's not part of the contract that you agree to.

 

[Nom]

A lot of us felt the same way on September 10, 2001. September 11 changed all that.

9/11 hit me hard- A friend lost his brother and I was with a lot of people who could not find thier loved ones for hours after the attacks. I don't mind sacrificing some things in order to keep safe from terrorists.

But WDW's finger scanning system is not doing anything to keep the parks safer!!! Let's not throw a red herring into the mix here!

 

[mikoiv]

If you are concerned that Disney is doing something covert with your "fingerprint" you probably loose sleep over the photo imaging/recognition data that is available from a variety of places within the parks. I am sure Disney does not "intend" to use this data for anything that limits or removes your civil liberties but they certainly will cooperate with govt agencies if requested. Also if you use a cell phone, e-mail, internet, credit card, travel on ticketed air/bus/train, ez-pass, gps transmitter/receiver, on-starr, or many other devices you are being watched.
I think the fingerprint verification should not be as high on your list of concerns as some of the others listed above.

 

[Nom]

If you are concerned that Disney is doing something covert with your "fingerprint" you probably loose sleep over the photo imaging/recognition data that is available from a variety of places within the parks. I am sure Disney does not "intend" to use this data for anything that limits or removes your civil liberties but they certainly will cooperate with govt agencies if requested. Also if you use a cell phone, e-mail, internet, credit card, travel on ticketed air/bus/train, ez-pass, gps transmitter/receiver, on-starr, or many other devices you are being watched.
I think the fingerprint verification should not be as high on your list of concerns as some of the others listed above.

As ppers have said, just because there are other instances of risk to your personal information does not mean that you should accept ones that you can opt out of, if you wish. I think the analogy that was used was that just because there is a risk of being in a car accident does not mean that you start breaking traffic laws. You still do what is within your control to reduce the risk. Same here... if there is something I can opt out of that will reduce my risk for identity theft, I may do it.

 

[lshaw]

This is just silly. I am following the rules by having my ID ready as I inform the CM in a quiet and polite fashion that I am opting out.

The notion that those who decline are somehow not following the rules is a baseless assertion.

I'm sorry, but it almost sounded as though you are BRAGGING about refusing to submit to Disney's request for a finger scan- perhaps you should QUIETLY refuse as personal preference and not post the fact out in the open where surely you would be flamed by most people for it. Just a suggestion.

 

[WillCAD]

A lot of us felt the same way on September 10, 2001. September 11 changed all that.

Yes, 9/11 did make a lot of Americans so afraid of terrorist attacs that they were wuilling to give up their Constitutional protections against unreasonable search and siezure, their right to privacy, their right to due process, and any semblence of the USAs conformity with the Geneva Convention.

But that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the subject at hand, which is Disney keeping stores of personal info on its Guests, not the government.

The government thing is a side issue - if Disney has this huge repository of info on its Guests, including unique identifying numbers derived from fingerprints, then the government might decide to sieze that info to "help track terror suspects," as it has with telephone records, ISP records, and Google search stats.

And once the government gets its grubby little hands on all that personal info, they will certainly lose some of it on stolen or lost laptops, as the VA and TSA already have on several occasions.

 

[lshaw]

I know exactly what they do. The scanners sprinkle me with pixie dust and allow me to enter a magical fantasyland where I leave my worries behind me and I know that I am about to have a Disney day. I actually don't care what they do with my fingerprint.

 

[TheDisneyClan]

I'm sorry, but it almost sounded as though you are BRAGGING about refusing to submit to Disney's request for a finger scan- perhaps you should QUIETLY refuse as personal preference and not post the fact out in the open where surely you would be flamed by most people for it. Just a suggestion.

 

[AndyFarleyHope]

We are leaving for the world in 3 days and I am not going to have a problem with giving my "finger print"; life's too short and their are too few Disney trips to sweat it. However, I do have a problem with the bigger picture. Needless to say, Disney's finger scan system was a great idea to match tickets with their correct owners. What you do have to remember is that your finger print is a piece of your personal identification and privacy. Just as I would not give Disney my social security number, you should not have to provide a finger scan. I think far to often people forget about how we were a nation founded on principals of Locke and that we have a right to privacy.

Personally I have no issue as an individual with this, nor would I waste more time then one post on the topic, however the original person who posted does have a point. Perhaps they should match your park tickets to your social security number and see how that goes.

 

[DepCor0311]

And once the government gets its grubby little hands on all that personal info, they will certainly lose some of it on stolen or lost laptops, as the VA and TSA already have on several occasions.

It is kind of silly to keep using the VA and the TSA as horrible examples of what can happen to your information. Nothing came of the VA incident. I was notified that my info was on the stolen laptop, and then was notified that the laptops were recovered without a breech of the information. If you are going to site examples...site some where something negative happened.

 

[stalkingmickey]

I a tired of people being paranoid but we all can't get what we want and if they did what else could they access with non fingerprint scan of your fingers?

It has already been stated that if they have a name attached to a ticket and you fingerprint measurements then that opens the door to everthing else...guess when you read these post you do not retain all the information you have read.


strangely we all have to write to the mortgage company when buying a house.

Yes I am well aware of what people have to do normally to buy a house as I am a legal assistant and handle all real estate deals. My conditions however went well above and beyond the normal letters mortage companies ask for.

Handing over first born! arn't you going a little far here?

Not when people are saying they would give disney their dna if asked..... but again if you read the post you would know what other posters have said they would give disney.

No one said they were paranoid, everyone else is insisting that the OP must be paranoid or trying to hide something because he chooses to be careful with whom he gives information to or what he gives them. I would rather be a little paranoid than one day check my bank account and find over 5,000.00 worth of fraud. It is called being careful not paranoid.

 

[MommaPooh217]

Exactly. You must have been typing at the same time. It shouldn't take people who are married to government officials to understand the problem with identity theft in this day and age. It is all over the news. Like my previous post said at least one story a night. Does no one watch the news?

As someone who is married to a man who works for the federal government and has been put under a microscope by the same agencies in question,no it is no fun to have your privacy and that of your family and friends invaded by strangers . And no I am not thrilled about having my information out there for all to see. Unfortunately we have also had our personal information stolen by credit card theft, luckily our bank covered the $500.00 stolen out of our account.

I just think this finger scan is not as big a deal as some of the other privacy issues people should be worried about.Someone can (and has)just as easily get information from a person's garbage can and whats in it ,despite knowing how rampant identity theft is today, lots of people still put old CC statements, utiliy bills etc. in the garbage without shredding them.Thieves have also stolen private information right out of people's mailboxes. And you hear about information theft over the web all the time. I'm just saying I don't think Disney is taking your fingerprint and retaining it for some nefarious reason.Like I said I'm pretty sure they have security software that they use that is much more sophisticated and that while no one likes to think big brother is watching and I fully respect the OP's right to refuse to be scanned, sadly that is the state of our world today and most likely nothing will change until people start contacting their state's congressman/woman or senator and demand changes in the laws regarding the right to our privacy. Again JMHO.

Blessed Be,
Tina

P.S. Now your other information may be used by the MOST evil agency in the world- MARKETING ! These eveildoers must be destroyed at all costs !;-)

Tina

 

[Andy B]

Actually, at the end of the day, folks do not have to do the scan at all since its not in any way a REQUIREMENT.

I take no issue with your right to submit to the voluntary policy, why do you take issue with the rights of others to opt out of the voluntary policy as Disney allows?

Because I thought that equality was something the USA was proud of. If it is voluntary why the fuss the OP is making, and besides if it were compulsory then you do not have to visit WDW.

 

[Andy B]

No one said they were paranoid, everyone else is insisting that the OP must be paranoid or trying to hide something because he chooses to be careful with whom he gives information to or what he gives them. I would rather be a little paranoid than one day check my bank account and find over 5,000.00 worth of fraud. It is called being careful not paranoid.

I still would like someone to explain how the fingercheck used by Disney could be used to gain access to any other information?

I have read the thread so keep your little superior postings to yourself.

I was responding to the point regarding writing a letter to the Mortgage company, you may have had to go further but that was not in the post I responded to.

The point regarding worse than DNA(my risght arm to enter Disney) was in jest but I was not getting a similar tone from you.

With regard to losing $5000 from your bank account I know Disney has credit card and adress information but just where does the finger scan help the fraudster?

 

[MarylandPizzaman]

Exactly right. The bag searches are as voluntary as the finger scans. You can opt out by leaving your bag behind.

So you are saying that if you don't want to be finger scanned you should cut off your hands....

 

[MarylandPizzaman]

I'm sorry, but it almost sounded as though you are BRAGGING about refusing to submit to Disney's request for a finger scan- perhaps you should QUIETLY refuse as personal preference and not post the fact out in the open where surely you would be flamed by most people for it. Just a suggestion.

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