Real Christians Don't Gay Bash

Uncle Remus

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Real Christians Don't Gay Bash

Progressive Christians tend to be nonjudgmental and to feel that challenging the intolerance of others is itself intolerant. For that reason we often sit by silently when Fundamentalist Christians criticize homosexual persons. We tend to think of this as being open minded.

Not that long ago, it was considered consistent to be a Christian, and yet, hold slaves.

The day came when slavery was understood as an affront to the gospel itself. I want to suggest that the day has come when Christians must declare that gay bashing is an attack on the gospel and that real Christians do not participate in any form of discrimination.

Several years ago, I was asked to do the funeral of a gay man who had been beaten to death in a hate crime. At that time, I had never thought deeply about the danger many gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people face in this culture. That week as I worked on the service, I kept hearing a local "Christian" radio station blaming gay and lesbian people for everything wrong in America. By the end of the week I understood the link between religious hate speech and the funeral I was performing.

I know that critics of homosexuality do not consider themselves to be hateful. They would say they "love the sinner but hate the sin." If the shoe were on the other foot, however, and someone were attacking their families, trying to take their children away, and constantly working to pass legislation to deprive them of basic civil rights, at some point they would understand that "homophobia" is too mild a word for such harassment. "Hatred" is the only proper term.

I was raised in Dallas, Texas and had classmates who were in the Klan. I remember that they did not consider themselves to be attacking other people. They perceived themselves to be defenders of Christian America. Their "religion" consisted of an unrelenting attack on people who were black, Jewish or homosexual. If anyone challenged these views, these Klan members considered themselves under attack and believed that their right to free exercise of religion was being threatened. In other words, they felt that harassing other people was a protected expression of their own religious faith.

In the Gospel, biblical literalists and judgmental people were the negative example in many of the stories. The point of those stories was to teach us the hypocrisy of judgmental religion. When a woman was caught in adultery, the Biblical literalists lined up to protect family values. They pointed out that the Bible literally says that adulterers are to be stoned. If Jesus took the Bible seriously, they claimed, he would have to participate in the mandated biblical punishment of an adulteress.

Instead of following scripture, Jesus tells the woman to get her life together and tells everyone else to drop their stones of judgment. The only way to take this story seriously is to conclude that real Christians don't use the bible to condemn other people.

It violates the teaching of Christ to say that God will get angry if America does not confront homosexuality as a sin. Jesus did not mention homosexuality and it is a lie to say he did. Furthermore, Jesus said "judge not or you will be judged." These false prophets are saying "judge or else you will be judged."

Jesus was kind and understanding, but he was not silent about those who abused the vulnerable. He called them "wolves in sheep's clothing." Christians must follow the example of Jesus and confront those vicious predators who use the Christian religion as a camouflage for bullying. We must be as understanding and kind as we can be, but to be tolerant of the oppression of others is not true tolerance.

I believe the time has come to say that genuine followers of Jesus Christ do not participate in discrimination against gay and lesbian persons. Is it intolerant to challenge intolerance? Are we doing the same thing as those we are challenging?

Gay bashing is not just an opinion, it is an assault. Just as the Klan did, religious fundamentalists have a right to believe that homosexuality is a sin. They even have a right to preach a message of hate. But when they harass people in public, it is time for Christians to rise to challenge their intolerance. We have an obligation to protect our neighbors from harassment and slander, especially when it is done in our name.

It is time to say that gay bashing is not only wrong, it is unchristian. If Christianity is grace, then judgment is the ultimate apostasy. If Christianity is love, then cruelty is the ultimate heresy.
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Finally, something that is truly of the Christian faith. Thanks for sharing this.
 

As a Catholic I just can't seem to see the big deal we are always taught to be tolerent. Then they only want us to apply it to certian things and I have a problem with that.

So live the life you choose and have families when you choose to do so.

We will see you some of you all in June and give a nice big smile from our family to yours.
 
I was sitting in a Catholic Church one Sunday morning and after Mass was over the priest says something to the effect of... Congress is voting on whether or not to make same sex marriage legal. As Catholics we need to write to our Congressmen and tell them that we do NOT want it legalized.
I was raised Catholic however I am no longer practicing. I find so much hipocracy(sp) in their teachings. This priests comments at the end of Mass just made it so much harder for me to continue to practice this religion.
 
Hello. New here. Just to clarify...

The person you are quoting is declaring herself as a Progressive Christian? I want to make sure I understand the first line of the quote.

Thanks!

Amy
 
WaltzingMatilda said:
Hello. New here. Just to clarify...

The person you are quoting is declaring herself as a Progressive Christian? I want to make sure I understand the first line of the quote.

Thanks!

Amy
My apologies the link is no longer in effect.

Here's that first paragraph:
Progressive Christians tend to be nonjudgmental and to feel that challenging the intolerance of others is itself intolerant. For that reason we often sit by silently when Fundamentalist Christians criticize homosexual persons. We tend to think of this as being open minded.

Seems that the author identifies himself as Progressive.
I can't speak to much more clarification of that,
I see Christians as 2 types, the ones I like 'n the ones I don't like.

And please friends, don't load my box with pms,
I did notice Waltzing Matilda has 2 posts ;)
 
Uncle Remus said:
My apologies the link is no longer in effect.

Here's that first paragraph:
Progressive Christians tend to be nonjudgmental and to feel that challenging the intolerance of others is itself intolerant. For that reason we often sit by silently when Fundamentalist Christians criticize homosexual persons. We tend to think of this as being open minded.

Seems that the author identifies himself as Progressive.
I can't speak to much more clarification of that,
I see Christians as 2 types, the ones I like 'n the ones I don't like.

And please friends, don't load my box with pms,
I did notice Waltzing Matilda has 2 posts ;)

There you are! I was just beginning to wonder ... of course, the truth is, I always wonder about you! :goodvibes

Great, great, great thread, btw!
 
Viki said:
There you are! I was just beginning to wonder ... of course, the truth is, I always wonder about you! :goodvibes

Great, great, great thread, btw!
Hey Viki :wave:
What can I say? I was walkin' in the
park, heard a pssst and someone asked
me to join them. I'd have probably kept
walkin' as I need the exercise, but they
had a few rounds of midtown manhattans
laid out...you know how that goes. ;)
 
Hi all. I hope it is okay for me to post here. I am a member of a very conservative chuch here in the South, and I am constantly looking for ways to "enlighten" my brothers and sisters about people who are "different" from them and how to follow Christ's directive to "love thy neighbor" - this is just the sort of post I need to help me - thank you, Uncle Remus! :thumbsup2
 
Well I agree with you for the most part. I also think that there is a big difference between "bashing" gays and disagreeing with thier lifestyle. I do believe in the idea of disliking the sin, not the sinner. But just because I may not support the idea doesnt mean I discriminate or "bash gays". No one deserves to be bashed. I am tolerant, but not encouraging. Personally, I dont think its up to us to judge a person, but leave it to God and He will show what is right. As a Christian, all of the Bible is our guide, not just the New Testement and what Jesus did. The Old Testement is clearly there for a reason, every line of it. That book guides me through every move and decision I make in life, so I feel I owe it to God to "love thy neighbor". However, I think that my religion should effect my political standpoint, as it effects everything else in my life. These are just my opinions as a Southern Baptist from the Bible Belt and a loyal O'Reilly Factor viewer.
 
Haveamagicalday! said:
Well I agree with you for the most part. I also think that there is a big difference between "bashing" gays and disagreeing with thier lifestyle. I do believe in the idea of disliking the sin, not the sinner. But just because I may not support the idea doesnt mean I discriminate or "bash gays". No one deserves to be bashed. I am tolerant, but not encouraging. Personally, I dont think its up to us to judge a person, but leave it to God and He will show what is right. As a Christian, all of the Bible is our guide, not just the New Testement and what Jesus did. The Old Testement is clearly there for a reason, every line of it. That book guides me through every move and decision I make in life, so I feel I owe it to God to "love thy neighbor". However, I think that my religion should effect my political standpoint, as it effects everything else in my life. These are just my opinions as a Southern Baptist from the Bible Belt and a loyal O'Reilly Factor viewer.

Friend, you are welcome to post here anytime!

However, don't expect me to agree with you. I am an ordained minister and have been partnered with another woman for 20+ years (and counting) and I can assure you that the God testified to in both Hebrew and Christian scripture is a God who asks us see beyond law, love beyond morality, and act beyond ethics.

Anyone, of faith or not, could be moral, ethical, and hungry for justice. It's only those who have spied the real glory of God - that we are all in this together and are destined to be reconciled all to each other, in this world or the next - that can step out in faith and go beyond law, beyond morality, beyond ethics, embrassing those who are outcast, loving those who most have judged unloveable, and spying the likeness of God in the most unexpected places.

I was raised independent Baptist in the South - we thought you Southern Baptists were way too LIBERAL - but, by the grace of God, much like Martin Luther and St. Paul before him, I finally saw the light, which isn't such a bad thing to see in this season of Advent.

So, welcome!
 












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