Racist,ignorant, or misunderstood? O'Reilly remarks

[cardaway]

A group like MM must be doing a really good job considering how far out on the limb people are going to try and discredit them. Face it, they give the facts, and in some cases that doesn't work in some peoples favor.

 

[Patch'sD]

I never said it Changed what O'Rielly Said. What Media Matters is presenting a small portion of the conversation. Again Why is .... in there. What was that a Comercial Break. He was misunderstood. The comments were not Racist. Go back and look at the OP. What is it asking for. If you go back and listen to the whole broadcast, It shows how he was misunderstood. If There was a right wing Media Matters, Would you believe what they put out. Answer Honestly.

 

[Charade]

and yet hardly anyone holds the LAT feet ot the fire (but they did when Rush parodied it) the op-ed they ran describing Obama as a "magic negro".

Or when Biden made those comments about him being "clean and articulate". Biden "clarified" his statement but it never reached the level of this or Rush's comments about the op-ed piece.

I listened to the audio. It sounds different than it reads when you include the inflections from their voices. Is it racist? No. Is it ignorant? Maybe. Misinformed? Maybe as well. But that won't stop the usual suspects from piling on the labels they're so fond of applying. In fact, to some, it's only second to the national pastime of baseball. None of their own seem to ever utter a racist, ignorant or misinformed characterization of minorities. That's always done by conservatives.

I was listening to the John Gibson radio show yesterday and he was talking about this and the Jena 6 as well. He thought it wasn't anything like what it's being portrayed here and in the news. I agree with him. I know, shocking isn't it!

He was going to have the head of the Philly NAACP on for an interview but it was delayed because he was in a meeting. The meeting wasn't about the 305 murders this year so far in Philly , his home turf, it was about the Jena 6. I was a little shocked when a caller suggested it was OK not to "snitch" to help bring the shooters to justice but he wanted more police presence to stem the violence. Of course more police presence would appear as a "police action" which he even admitted it would.

 

[Charade]

But of course they are biased towards liberal and see things from that point of view.

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Search MM for "magic negro" and see what you get.

 

[salmoneous]

If you go back and listen to the whole broadcast, It shows how he was misunderstood.

OK, how was he misunderstood. Here's the most important part of the quote:

"I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship."

What exactly did O'Reilly say in the rest of the show that changes the meaning of that passage?

If There was a right wing Media Matters, Would you believe what they put out. Answer Honestly.

Absolutely. Why wouldn't I? As long as their quotes are accurate, they are what they are.

 

[eclectics]

Btw, I read the whole transcript. It doesn't change one damned bit what O'Reilly said.

Exactly..... But I must say, I'm surprised. I haven't seen so many attempts to spin and deflect in a long time. It's almost as though O'Reilly was part of the administration. I wasn't aware Bill belonged to the "beloved and defended to the death" club like Limbaugh. I was under the impression he had been downgraded to a kind of Pat Robertson lite. Guess not. Live and learn.

 

[salmoneous]

It sounds different than it reads when you include the inflections from their voices.

On paper, he's saying he was surprised that black people could behave themselves and act like other people. What was in the inflections that changes that?

 

[Charade]

Exactly..... But I must say, I'm surprised. I haven't seen so many attempts to spin and deflect in a long time. It's almost as though O'Reilly was part of the administration. I wasn't aware Bill belonged to the "beloved and defended to the death" club like Limbaugh. I was under the impression he had been downgraded to a kind of Pat Robertson lite. Guess not. Live and learn.

Or it could be just differences of opinion. No, that would be too simple. It has to be something much more than that. Oy...

 

[Charade]

On paper, he's saying he was surprised that black people could behave themselves and act like other people. What was in the inflections that changes that?

Isn't it still a matter of perception and personal opinion? Of course if right out of the gate you have a prejudice against (or favorable opinion of) someone, it's going to skew your opinion.

See, that's what you get from his statements. I don't. I really don't have a dog in this race because I don't listen to or watch O'Reilly. Personally, I don't care for his show or delivery.

The title of this thread has a ? at the end of it. That's asking a question of what people's opinions are. I gave mine. You have yours.

 

[Mugg Mann]

Just look at their (mediamatters) mission statemtent. A little left leaning wouldn't you say. As I posted. Does Media Matters post full transcripts or for their benefit take snippets that they want to make their point. Why do they have "..." in their transcripts. What was that a Commercial Break. Half of their misinformation issues are for what people failed to ask. If it was a outlet that was watching all media I would think it to be more believable. But hey I am a free thinker who can make my own opinions. Like I said I went over the whole broadcast. Did You? Didn't have to get my information from the Left Leaning outlet you did. Hey next time on the plane, read the whole transcript and form your own opinion. I'll be watching tonight with Jessie Jackson, will you. I will always be happy to be a free thinker rather than have someone do it for me, like you

Patch'sD;

You're trying to evade the question I specifically asked you, and everyone here recognizes that.

In the transcript provided twice now concerning boycotts, Did O'Reilly lie? Yes or No? And if you believe he didn't lie, why not?

We're waiting.

 

[eclectics]

Or it could be just differences of opinion. No, that would be too simple. It has to be something much more than that. Oy...

No. Not here. It's an attempt to somehow put a better light on a very, very ignorant statement. Whether or not it's working is where the "opinion" part comes in to play.

 

[salmoneous]

Isn't it still a matter of perception and personal opinion?

Sure. I perceived O'Reilly's statement as saying that he's shocked to learn that black people can behave in a civilized manner in a restaurant. If there's another way of perceiving his statements, let's hear it.

What I hear you and his other defenders saying is that there is something else in the transcripts, or something in the inflection, that changes the meaning. All I'm ask is what - what else is in the transcript, what is in the inflection that changes the meaning. And if O'Reilly wasn't saying he was surprised that black people could act civilized, what was he saying?

 

[cardaway]

Exactly..... But I must say, I'm surprised. I haven't seen so many attempts to spin and deflect in a long time. It's almost as though O'Reilly was part of the administration. I wasn't aware Bill belonged to the "beloved and defended to the death" club like Limbaugh. I was under the impression he had been downgraded to a kind of Pat Robertson lite. Guess not. Live and learn.

Inflections? Nice try.

 

[Charade]

OK, how was he misunderstood. Here's the most important part of the quote:
"I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship."

What exactly did O'Reilly say in the rest of the show that changes the meaning of that passage?

Because that's only *part* of the whole converstation. It's easy to imply that it's racist or ignorant.

 

[Charade]

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So where is their statement about liberal "misinformation"?

 

[Laura]

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No bias? Please...

So where is their statement about liberal "misinformation"?

That's for another site, silly.

 

[Mugg Mann]

From the MM website.

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Thousands of activists like you take advantage of these tools to hold the media accountable for spreading conservative misinformation.

No bias? Please...

So where is their statement about liberal "misinformation"?

That's why Fox News exists!

 

[salmoneous]

Because that's only *part* of the whole converstation. It's easy to imply that it's racist or ignorant.

And I'll ask again - what else is in the conversation that changes what he's saying there. If he isn't saying he's shocked that black people can behave civilized, what is he saying?

 

[cardaway]

That's why Fox News exists!

But they're fair and balanced.

 

[Patch'sD]

I will go back an review the Media Matters and Then look For another transcript from the show. I guess if you can't remember everything you say You are a Liar. Now have you reviewed the entire episode of the Radio Factor in question with regards to the Discussion with Juan Williams, or are you still letting media matters do your editing for you. Let me know and when ready I will post my answer. But since you Crack about Fox News, I am sure you will let MediaMatters do your Liberal Thinking for You.