Question about "faking" age

[mickeyfan2]

I think all of your a mean and this is not what the dis should be about! Leave the woman alone. She knows that it would be a lie but all she wanted to know is if she would get caught! Now BACK OFF ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!

Yes master.

 

[mickeyfan2]

As for taking advantage of Disney, I don't personally condone what the OP's sister wants to do, but I simply can't accuse anyone of taking advantage of Disney when their top executives often take home, with stock option exercises, something like $500 million annually!

And this is relavent how?!?

 

[AUDramaQueen]

Let's storm the Bastille and cut off their heads!!

 

[mickeyfan2]

Don't tell the moral police that you can do Disney really cheap, they think you should pay rack rate for everything or you aren't allowed to go. I mean I am sure NONE of them have ever used a discount code to stay at a resort. I mean Disney set a price and that's it, don't use discount codes you were told about on the Mousesavers.com or Disboards, that's dishonest.... Disney didn't phone you directly and give you that personal invitation..

Actually in many cases they did. I get AP discounts all the time and they told me about them. It is not stealing if one uses a legal discount code on a room that you are entitled to.

 

[mickeyfan2]

I do not understand people asking questions regarding if they can get away with cheating and lying and stealing. What is next . . . can I shoplift at WDW?

Yes just as long as you keep track of how much you steal. Once it passes the magical 150-200 then you need to pay for the rest. See you at the WOD.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Of course this has turned into a moral debate but I think some of us are going a little too far with "a lie is a lie". Yes, it's true a lie is a lie and while I think it is wrong to lie about your kids' ages to save a buck, I don't beleive all lies are equal. I have lied to my kids several times.

Just got thru putting a major one over on them this Christmas and will continue to do so every Christmas until they find out that Mom and Dad are really eating those cookies they left out. I doubt however, that my kids will become horrible people because of it.

I also told them we were going hiking last year and then we really went to WDW! What a terrible parent I am.

There I've confessed, Whew, I feel much better. Continue with your judgements...

Sorry but your example is not a good one. One is telling a white lie to spare somebodies feeling or make a surprise for them, the other is to cheat somebody else out of money. They are not the same. That is why the first is called a white lie and the second a lie.

 

[ougrad86]

Can we take this in another direction? I was reading the posts about where the CM's do ask questions. We are going a month before my son's 10 yr birthday, so we are still able to get the child's ticket. Will just asking him be enough for them? He is tall for his age, but skinny, and still has a little boy's face. Should I dig out his bc?

 

[Allison]

GOOFYDAD...shh .... Don't tell the moral police that you can do Disney really cheap, they think you should pay rack rate for everything or you aren't allowed to go. I mean I am sure NONE of them have ever used a discount code to stay at a resort. I mean Disney set a price and that's it, don't use discount codes you were told about on the Mousesavers.com or Disboards, that's dishonest.... Disney didn't phone you directly and give you that personal invitation.. Oh an by the way you aren't ALLOWED to bring food into the parks, Disney just chooses to let you bring them in and lets you STEAL from them. Otherwise you have the option of not eating at all because you don't want to/ or can't pay the ridiculously high prices for food. That's right it's just good marketing!

What a ridiculous statement. Disney offering a discount and saying they are willing to make a room available at a certain price and someone taking advantage of that opportunity is called being smart. Lieing to avoid paying the correct price for something is completely different.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

Can we take this in another direction? I was reading the posts about where the CM's do ask questions. We are going a month before my son's 10 yr birthday, so we are still able to get the child's ticket. Will just asking him be enough for them? He is tall for his age, but skinny, and still has a little boy's face. Should I dig out his bc?

Probably wouldn't hurt, but I certainly wouldn't stress myself out over it. I think the burden of proof lies with Disney and they wouldn't have any way to prove his age otherwise.

 

[huskies90]

Well, now that we are into the whole moral stance thing, I love reading these threads and reading about how much “better” everyone is. Why is everyone jumping on this person’s moral stance? Are we that perfect? Are some of you sitting at your computer saying to yourself, “I can type this message because I am perfect and I have never told a lie or broken a rule? I am a perfect parent and therefore I can judge someone else’s parenting?”

Yes there are indeed different levels of lying and breaking rules. In my opinion lying about your age to get into a movie or Disneyworld is NOT a major moral dilemma and is a minor one at best. We are HUMANS and therefore fallible by nature. Let the dis’er who is absolutely perfect cast the first stone.

And although I have not lied about my kids ages to gain a cheaper admission, one of the reasons why I jumped in is because I was just told on another post what a bad parent I was for stuffing napkins in my 47 ½ inch daughter’s shoes so she could ride Primeval Whirl. What kind of message was I sending her? And how could I risk her safety like that?? If I really cared to respond I could say I was teaching her to be resourceful and as for safety I simply weighed the probability of injury against the enjoyment of going on the ride. But should I really be lectured about what a bad parent I am?? C’mon.

 

[AUDramaQueen]

Sorry but your example is not a good one. One is telling a white lie to spare somebodies feeling or make a surprise for them, the other is to cheat somebody else out of money. They are not the same. That is why the first is called a white lie and the second a lie.

This was exactly my point. Some posters were saying that all lies were the same. My examples were to show that they are not all the same.

 

[beattyfamily]

Well, now that we are into the whole moral stance thing, I love reading these threads and reading about how much “better” everyone is. Why is everyone jumping on this person’s moral stance? Are we that perfect? Are some of you sitting at your computer saying to yourself, “I can type this message because I am perfect and I have never told a lie or broken a rule? I am a perfect parent and therefore I can judge someone else’s parenting?”

Yes there are indeed different levels of lying and breaking rules. In my opinion lying about your age to get into a movie or Disneyworld is NOT a major moral dilemma and is a minor one at best. We are HUMANS and therefore fallible by nature. Let the dis’er who is absolutely perfect cast the first stone.

And although I have not lied about my kids ages to gain a cheaper admission, one of the reasons why I jumped in is because I was just told on another post what a bad parent I was for stuffing napkins in my 47 ½ inch daughter’s shoes so she could ride Primeval Whirl. What kind of message was I sending her? And how could I risk her safety like that?? If I really cared to respond I could say I was teaching her to be resourceful and as for safety I simply weighed the probability of injury against the enjoyment of going on the ride. But should I really be lectured about what a bad parent I am?? C’mon.

These threads are always the same. Some will say it's wrong and a lie, stealing and immoral and then others will say go for it and it's your decision. Then to justify their stand, they start with the name calling. Let's see we've got "moral police" and "judgemental" to name a few.

Oh and then there's "haven't you ever broken a rule? if so, you cannot judge others". That one's the most rediculous statement I've ever heard.

It's always the same. It will never change. Every time someone posts a thread on a moral issue, this will happen. I think it's about once a month here on the DIS. Just do a search.

ETA...the "stuffing napkins in my 47 ½ inch daughter’s shoes so she could ride Primeval Whirl" is a whole other can of worms!

 

[Lord Fantasius]

These threads are always the same. Some will say it's wrong and a lie, stealing and immoral and then others will say go for it and it's your decision. Then to justify their stand, they start with the name calling. Let's see we've got "moral police" and "judgemental" to name a few.

Oh and then there's "haven't you ever broken a rule? if so, you cannot judge others". That one's the most rediculous statement I've ever heard.

It's always the same. It will never change. Every time someone posts a thread on a moral issue, this will happen. I think it's about once a month here on the DIS. Just do a search.

Oncea month...more like once every few days. And even threads that don't start out as moral issues will eventually turn into one after a few days of being discussed.

Guess it's just our spiritual nature...

-R

 

[Tiger926]

Why should you be lectured about what a bad parent you are? Hmmm - so I assume then that when your daughter injures herself on the ride that she was not supposed to be on, you aren't going to sue Disney, right? I'll believe that one when I see it!

This has turned into a moral debate because what is missing apparently from most people is not only a sense of right and wrong, but altruism. Everytime someone lies to get into Disney, steals something or cheats on taxes, it affects the rest of us, plain and simple. More people need to conduct themselves in such a way that they remeber that their actions most assuredly will have direct consequences on someone else. Last time I checked, I shared the world with 6 billion other people.

By the way, stealing and selling drugs may not be the same degree of immoral activity, but they are both wrong nonetheless, and that is what is at issue here. It's downright humorous to me that people who have no qualms about teaching their children to steal and cheat to save money all of a sudden take offence to other immoral activities. Sure someone may not die if you sneak into Disney as they may with selling drugs, but that is not what I was discussing. Children need to be raised with consistency and positive values, and teaching them to lie and cheat depending upon certain situations is almost assuredly a recipe for disaster - if you don't believe me, I have 200 high school students on my caseload that will prove this point nice and clear for you.

Tiger

 

[mickeyfan2]

ETA...the "stuffing napkins in my 47 ½ inch daughter’s shoes so she could ride Primeval Whirl" is a whole other can of worms!

I once read about a mom who did this. It went something like this. Mom puts napkins in the girls shoes to make her tall enough. They went on the ride and the CM measured her. The CM said, "Wow you just made it." The little girl said, "That is because mommy put napkins in my shoes."

 

[jekajekalynn]

*gets some popcorn*

This thread is closing in 5...4....3...2.....

 

[my4kids]

She could get away with it....but I was questioned a few times about my huge 9 yr old. Who is truly nine, and I was wishing I had the option of paying the adult price for him, because he was starving after a kids meal and for the rest of the week I let him order off the adult menu and had to pay out of pocket for him. Soooo, the answer is ...yes she can get away with it if she eats like a bird and isn't in to food. It really does not pay to try to finagle this one because they may have to pay more to buy her more food.

Life is too short to worry about these little things...I think that I rather pay the correct price and not have to worry about what kind of example I am setting for my kids with the "just lie this time for Mommy honey , it's OK to lie if we are saving money" - what message are you sending to the kid? I lie is never OK.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

Where was everyone when the Florida resident computer rate glitch happened this fall? Those people booked deluxe rooms for the ridiculous price of $33/night or something b/c of a computer glitch and felt that there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. I wanted to jump all over them, but didn't feel I would have the "back up" . Those people knew they were taking advantage of something that was wrong but justified it by saying "hey, it's Disney's problem that their computers don't work right" or something equally silly. Well, in this scenario, someone could say "well, it is Disney's fault that they can't prove my child's age".

I wonder if any of the people who took advantage of the glitch have anything to say on the topic at hand?

 

[DisneyWisher]

I was nosey so I priced out a 7 night trip to disney in June at PO (whichever allows 5 to a room) its $3200 if the sister tells the correct ages and $3000 is she misrepresents the ages. Not really a lot of money being saved when you consider how everyone in the family might feel about this. Whatever happens I hope both families have a safe and wonderful trip. I'm just sad that the sisters aren't going at the same time. When my brother, his family, and my family met up at Disney together the kids had a ball. What wonderful memories the kids will have for years to come. When they rode Space Mountain with their cousins. Or when they look at pictures years from now of when they posed with Mickey together. That type of thing is just so priceless. Because of college and work schedules I haven't been able to take all my daughters to Disney in years. How I miss that.

I hope Disney comes out with a great special so all your family will go at the same time and that so much money is saved that age will not be an issue.

Good Luck!

 

[beattyfamily]

Where was everyone when the Florida resident computer rate glitch happened this fall? Those people booked deluxe rooms for the ridiculous price of $33/night or something b/c of a computer glitch and felt that there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. I wanted to jump all over them, but didn't feel I would have the "back up" . Those people knew they were taking advantage of something that was wrong but justified it by saying "hey, it's Disney's problem that their computers don't work right" or something equally silly. Well, in this scenario, someone could say "well, it is Disney's fault that they can't prove my child's age".

I wonder if any of the people who took advantage of the glitch have anything to say on the topic at hand?

oh, I remember that. A couple of threads got locked because some did speak up. Then there's the Sears fiasco with the Mickey TVs for $30 I think. There's always moral issues going on around the DIS (refillable mug; 5 in a room etc...)