Potty training 2.5 yo ds

Oh please Crisi. At no point did I suggest I was giving advice as a psychologist. I specifically, in fact, signed my first post as the mom of a potty-training toddler. I would hardly give psychological advice in any professional sense on an internet board of any sort, much less one on Disney World. I mentioned my profession only in an anecdote about my OWN interaction with my pediatrician, not once in connection with anything I was suggesting regarding potty-training in particular, nor with regard to your own situation.

May I suggest, however, that if you don't want people commenting on what you do, you don't write in to a message board describing it.

- Elizabeth
 
We were in a similar situation with our dd last year. She would pee in the potty fine and she wore underpants (except at night), but she would ask for a diaper when she had to poop. We would put the diaper on her, let her poop, and then clean her and put the undies back on because we didn't want her to get constipated. After two months of this, our pediatrician recommended that we have her go into the bathroom to poop. She could still wear the diaper, but we explained that this is where you go to poop. A few days later, we asked her to try sitting on the potty - while wearing the diaper - when she had to poop. A few days after that, she wanted to try to poop in the potty. Then we were done. Good luck with whatever method(s) you try!
 
First let me say ..... Lizmead DO NOT respond to this post. I do not want your "psychologist" advice.

We too are struggling with pooping in the potty. What seems to be working for us is giving out candy canes when she does it and telling her that she cannot go to WDW if she keeps pooping in her "big girl" underwear. She gets very excited when she does poop and tells us that she can go to Disney World now because she pooped in the potty. I took a page from Dr. Phil who recommended having a potty party everytime that your child pees or poops in the potty. We laugh and scream (good screams) a lot when she poops.

Our pediatrician suggested that we back off a little and that pooping in her big girl underwear really wasn't a big deal (although very frustrating for us). Caroline would ask us for a diaper when she had to poop so that was an automatic trip to the toilet. She would scream bloody murder that she didn't have to go, but I would sit with her until it came out.

The major thing that we are contending with right now is that she so wants to be a "big girl" like her cousin. She refuses to put on a diaper at all when she has to poop and will hold it in because she doesn't want to sit on the potty either.

I did buy her a SpongeBob stool for her to put her feet on when she has to poop. I read that their anal muscles are more relaxed when their feet are propped up versus dangling down which makes pooping more uncomfortable. So far no complaints on that.

Good Luck! I wish you lots of patience.

Melissa
 
You know, every kid is different and I don't think you can say there is one age where every kid is ready for training. My oldest son is 3½. He's been "pee trained" for about 10 months now but he still doesn't poop in the potty. He wears underwear all day and we have *maybe* one poop accident every 8 weeks. He gets a pullup at nap time and at bed time and he poops then most days. He wouldn't pee in the potty unless he could do it standing up. Once we realized that and let him stand, he got it mastered within a long weekend. Sitting down on the potty then became a huge battle for us. I talked to our ped, who actually started his career as a child psychologist and presents things with a wonderful balance of explaining the medical and psychological. He told me this was not uncommon with boys and to keep encouraging but not make a huge deal of it or it will become a control issue. That worked fine untill we were approaching the start of preschool and he needed to be completely trained. I tried sitting him on the potty for 5-10 minutes every hour, I tried sitting with him for an entire hour at a time around the time I thought he *might* poop. We tried everything from "you can't go to the 'big school' and be in Emily and George's class (his best friends) if you don't learn to poop in the potty" to offering rewards (he is very into Thomas the Tank Engine and we had trains, videos, tracks, buildings...everything for him to pick from if he did it), cheering, trips to Chuck E Cheese and nothing worked. He'd do it every once in a while but not anywhere near consistently. I started pushing and he started witholding poop completely. It was a total nightmare! The more we pushed, the more upset he got. We NEVER punished or shamed, always just telling him what a big boy he'd be and how proud we'd be etc. but he would scream at cry at just the suggestion of sitting on the potty and trying to poop. It finally occured to me that since we weren't having poop accidents, it shouldn't matter as far as school is concerned. He's at preschool from 9 AM to 1 PM so it's not like he's there all day. We've had no problems with accidents at school. Since school started I just completely backed off and didn't mention it at all. The only mention was that when I would clean him up I'd say "when you are ready to poop on the potty, we won't have to do this anymore! Won't that be nice?" He started telling me "the poop just can't come out when I'm sitting. Especially not on the potty!" Just recently he's started telling us he's ready to go and asking for a pullup. We praised him SOOO much for telling us. He got a Disney Dollar every time he did. That is a HUGE thing for him b/c since our trip over New Years he now understands that he can buy what HE wants with HIS Disney Dollars and mom can't say no. After a week of him asking for a pullup I started getting him to sit on the potty while he's wearing his pullup. The first time I tried that he cried "I don't wanna poop in the potty!" I showed him he wouldn't be pooping on the potty, he'd just be sitting on it but the poop would go in his pullup. That was fine and we've been doing that for about a week now. More Disney Dollars and TONS of praise from us and we call Grandma every time. Just last night he told me he needed to go so I had him sit on the potty with no pullup and he did just fine. I think we may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel! I was begining to think that my now 22 month old would be poop trained before his older brother!

Honestly, when I made an issue of it, it was a HUGE power struggle. I didn't want pooping to be something I FORCED him to do (as some of my friends have done with their kids). I was worried about what issues that would cause. He got SO upset at us even sitting him on the potty that we were just setting him up for failure. Letting him decide he was ready and moving up very very gradually has been FAR better for us. After talking with other moms at school, 3 of the 5 boys in his class are not reliably poop trained. 2 of those have just turned 4. None of them have accidents though. Aside from the kids in his class, I know of 3 other moms (2 boys and 1 girl) who are in the same boat as my son. They will ALL train eventually. It's less stressful for you if you let them guide you in it. For some kids the promise of a sticker is all it takes. For others, you can promise them a trip to Disney and they still aren't going to do it till they are good and ready! I have a cousin whose youngest son refused to even try untill he was almost 40 months. Flat out wouldn't even make an attempt; they tried not giving him a diaper and he'd pee everywhere and not get upset in the least no matter what they tried. He announced one morning at almost 40 months that he was no longer wearing diapers...and he never even once had an accident.

One cute training story I've heard...one of my friends has a daughter who is just crazy over the whole Disney Princess thing (like most 3 year old girls I guess!). They bought her bunches of princess panties and bunches of plain white not pretty at all panties. In the morning she got princess panties but if she had an accident she had to wear plain whites for the rest of the day. Nothing else had worked at discouraging accidents untill they tried that and within a week she stayed accident free...and then insisted that all the "ugly panties" had to thrown away immediately! :)

As far as taking them to Disney and potty training (not as a reward just logistics of being in the park with a recently trained kid!), pack a pullup or 2 just in case! I had a couple with me in case he was about to fall asleep before we could get back to the RV. We had 2 or 3 times where DS would announce he had to pee when we were in a situation where we could not get to a bathroom. On the monorail stopped on the tracks while they had some problem with another one in the Contemporary; packed into the waiting area for Country Bear Jamboree with no way to easily exit and the 4:00 parade had just passed outside so there was a tidal wave of people just outside the door! In those cases we just sort of hid him, put on a pullup and assured him it would NOT be an accident and he would still be a big boy. We just changed him back into his underwear as soon as we could.

GOOD LUCK with the training!! Hopefully yours will not be as stubborn as mine has been! :) :)
 

One quick note - tons of praise can be a problem down the road, as children either expect it for every little thing they do, or become immune to it. Of course some praise is fine, but going over the top every time a child has a bowel movement may cause problems when the child is in another situation later.
 
I am the director of a preschool. We are the only one in our area that does not require complete potty training for admission to our 3 year old class. I have found that at the start of the year, MOST little boys have an occaional accident. Little girls rarely do though there is an exception now and them. We have a relaxed policy that a child can wear a pull -up to the three year old class, but we do not do routine changes and a wet pull up waits until they get home. We do not have diaper changing areas in these classes. The pull-up child goes potty just like everyone else and before long that pull-up is never wet at school. We of course do change a poop accident though in reality they are pretty rare. WE have had parents come to our school because their child was treated so badly at other schools over an accident. When I was teaching I would always tell the parent when the child started doing well at hime to swith them to regular underwear at school and I would deal with an accident or two for a few days. I however do not ask my teachers to do that though some do. We have only had two children ever not be potty trained by Christmas of their three year old class (sibblings) and the girl decided to train her self one day in the spring and NEVER had one acident. The boy, well that was another story. We do require they be trained for the four year old class. One thing about preschool is they get presure from thier friends. Not a good thing, but three's in pull ups get called a baby by thier friends. They really want to do what the other kids do. Guess what all this is trying to say is that a little more relaxed rules from preschools could be a good thing.

Jordan's mom
 
:grouphug: Thank you Maciec and Lollipop Mom for sharing your stories. As I am being trained now by my 22 month old son - and I say trained by him because he just started training himself one day - I am getting a lot of grief from firends who tell me its too early to train. Well, I am not training per se, I am just following my DS's lead and I am eternally grateful we did begin the potty talk and had a potty chair around beggining when he was 18 months old because it gives us all time to be relaxed about it and just let him go at his own speed. Apparently its working because he has begun taking his pants down now and is trying to go on the potty without any prodding or bribing - just a desire to be a big boy I just need some more training myself because usually by the time I get his pants down and get him on the toilet when he asks its too late :rolleyes:
:hug: To everyone who is undergoing there own form of potty training.
 
hi there, isn't potty training fun? you didn't mention if you were home with your little one or if he was in child care but, this is what i did with my 2 being at home. i let them run around the house in just a big tee shirt(no pants at all!) i put the potty chair in what ever room they were in at the time and would watch for signs that they needed to go, then i would have books ready and would have them sit on the potty and read then they would go. my kids went undieless at home unless going to bed at night(i always used either diapers or pull ups at night-depending on child's age. when we went to town if they were good at going to the bathroom then i would put undies on them if not good then pull ups. just remember this is not something that is going to be quick and easy, my dd wore pull ups to bed till she was 5 not because she needed them she had not had an accidents for over a year when she stopped using them but, that way she was really ready to be in charge of going to the bathroom and no upset feelings about accidents it could be your son is not completely ready to be potty trained, i started training my ds when he was 2 and he showed me that while at times he was interested in going pee in the potty he was not ready to be completely potty trained so i waited till he was 3 and then he was ready, no fighting, no upset feelings on either side. he is 4 now and while potty trained for during the day and has not had any accidents for several months at night he still wears pull ups at night and he is in preschool. good luck try to be patient and make sure you are sure that your ds is really ready to be potty trained he will only be a baby once and if you force him when he is not ready then it will only cause problems, don't worry i have never known any body to still be in diapers in high school because they never got potty trained.
 
I would have to agree with everyone who posted who said to RELAX:p
Your ds is still young compared to when many boys potty train. Does it really matter if he is trained by the time you go to Disney? It's so much pressure, both for him and you to set such an absolute deadline. Plus, diapers can be a pain, but nothing compared to having to leave line every 5 minutes, while your little guy is trying to figure everything out (smile)

For the record, Lizamead is absolutely right about the training pediatricians receive. My 2 dearest friends are peds and got little to no training child development, breastfeeding, nutrition, etc. Their emphasis was on the massive medical amounts they need to know to be able to medically care for children. As Lizamead said, it is always important to keep this in mind with any parenting, nutrition advice you receive from your ped. After all, it might just be what worked for them, much in the same way the moms here are only posting what worked for them ;) . I'm in no way saying what your ped told you was wrong. Only saying it's probably not anymore "right" or "wrong" than any other advice you might receive.

As the mother of a potty training (by his own choice) almost 3 year old ds (we leave for Disney in 8 days - gonna pack lots of dipes :D ), I wish you lots of patience and smiles! Best wishes!

Oh and it being a public board and all, anyone is welcome to reply to my post ;).

pirate: princess: ::MinnieMo ::MickeyMo
 
Thanks for all of the awesome replies. Don't worry we are not in a race to potty train in time for a Disney trip. Like most of you, I think the trip will be easier in diapers anyhow. I would like to enroll him in a Preschool program that happens to require potty training. But if he's not ready, no biggy.

Now what he is doing is still holding poop until a situation where he wears a diaper diaper such as church nursery or mothers morning out.

He'll get it eventually.
 
I can't tell you how much I have enjoyed reading this thread. I know it's off topic, but for those of who are BTDT (Being There, Doing That) it is so nice to hear what others in the same situation have done.

This week I can report that we *finally* have had some successes. I think it boiled down to a few things: Finding the right rewards and detractor, and staying in due to the cold weather.

My DS loves his soft, big-boy underpants. Wants to wear them all the time. In the morning, he can pick whatever pair he wants to wear. If he poops in the potty, he gets to keep them on - even at night. If he soils them, he has to wear training pants (the underpants that have plastic on the outside) and a diaper at night. We don't make a big deal about it, it's just matter-of-fact. The first success we had was in his little potty. By staying in this week, we've had more successes as the little potty was always available. I told DH I'll be staying in with him until he builds up enough confidence and success to not be afraid to try a potty some place else. Until then, the errands, etc. will just have to wait or be run in the evenings. (DS has been known to poop up to 3x/day. Another complication.)

Oh, another reward that he likes - he gets to call whoever he wants to tell them he pooped on the potty. It's always been Daddy, as he is really into Daddy right now. DH lavishes him with praise if he's in his office. He has a cubicle and I often wonder what the people next to him are thinking if they overhear those conversations!
 
Not to change the subject completely, but does anyone have any advice on Potty training triplet girls all the same time?
 
No Disney Pal,

I hope someone helps you. Your predicament may be copletely unique to most of ours

Good luck!
 
My ds is 3 today and we still have an issue over the toilet. In public he will go no problem, but at home or at his Aunt's homes forget it...

So I haven't pushed it. We were doing great untill daddy didn't want to carry the toilet seat to the bathroom and taught him how to stand up and pee. But you all have given me great ideas.. Especailly standing in the bathroom to take a poop even if it is in our pants..

I was using regular underwear with plastic pants over them, but being 8 months pregnant, I couldn't stand the sight or smell. So we wear buzz pants. We have accidents, didn't make it to pre school and all that stuff, but I have been so stressed with this preganancy, dh and all that stuff that I haven't given up, it is just not at the top of my list.. He has had the same Thomas toy up on the shelf for about 6 months now.. COuld care less about pooping...

I just pray and hope that by the time the new baby arrives he will do it all on his own..


Thank you all for letting us know that it is up to them and not us...



Rapunsel
 
Originally posted by Disney Pal
Not to change the subject completely, but does anyone have any advice on Potty training triplet girls all the same time?
I have no experience with triplets, but do know some people with twins who had older kids too. They said the twins were actually easier because there was the built in example -when one did it, the other wanted to also.

My kids are young adults now, but I thought I'd share too.
Anyway, my older sister "trained" her children at about 14 months, which basically meant she asked them every 15 minutes if they had to go to the bathroom, sat them on the toilet about every 2 hours and cleaned up a lot of wet and poopy pants. Her children were not reliable to stay dry until almost 4 years old (one was 6 and still soiling her pants with poop).

She was after me to train my oldest DD when she was a year old, but I didn't want to train the way she did. That looked like way too much work with very little result.
I had read some about toilet "teaching" rather than toilet "training" (the teaching part really emphasized that the child needed to be shown and taught what was expected) and letting the child be in charge. After all, the child really is the one in charge here - the parent can't make the pee or poop come out.
When my oldest DD was about 15 months old, she started just casually being in the bathroom with us, so she could see what the toilet was for. When she was 18 months, she said she wanted to try the potty. We got a potty chair, she actually peed in it after a few times sitting on it and we thought it would be very simple since she was quite interested in the process. After a few times, she was no longer interested, so we didn't push it. One of the things I did do was ask her each morning whether she wanted to wear diapers or underpants; her decision and no pressure either way. I made it clear that if she decided to wear the underwear, she also was deciding to use the toilet. If she didn't feel like using the toilet that day, she could choose the diapers. It was her decision and we went along with whatever she decided.
If she wet the underpants, we didn't do any shaming - it was just "too bad. The underpants got wet and we need to change them now." Sometimes she would choose to put diapers back on, other times, she wanted underpants.
We didn't make a big fuss if she used the toilet (as someone else posted, that can backfire on you). We did use stickers and small prizes. After a while, since she was really into Barbies, we promised a Barbie after she got a certain number of stickers.
I actually didn't buy the Barbie right away, so when she would get a sticker, she would say "When we get a Barbie, I can get the Barbie." Once I bought the Barbie, it changed to "When I want a Barbie, I can get a Barbie" and she used the toilet just enough times to get the required stickers to get the Barbie. Once the incentive was gone, she was not so interested in the toilet. I didn't want to keep getting Barbies every few days, so we backed off a bit and let her be in charge. If she wanted to wear underpants and use the toilet, fine. If she didn't, that was fine too.
One morning when she was about 2 and 1/2, she told me "I decided I'm big and I need to use the toilet all the time." From that point, she never had an accident, even a few days after that when we were in a store and could not find the bathroom for about 15 minutes after she told me she needed it.

My younger daughter is disabled and her toilet training was done the same way as older DD at home and at day care. She was not dry, but we were making progress. Once she started Special Education Preschool at 3 years, things went downhill quickly because the Early Childhood teacher thought she was the ultimate expert and would not go along with anything else. The teacher insisted that DD needed to wear underpants so she would feel wet. I had no objection to the underpants, but because of her physical disability, she might not be able to be completly dry. Because she used a wheelchair, we also needed to protect the wheelchair seat from getting wet, so I wanted diapers over the underpants, which the teacher did not agree with. The teacher sabotaged me at school on that. She was also big into shaming kids when they were wet and announcing to the whole class who was successful. When we heard about that, we asked her not to do that because I felt that was psychologically unhealthy for kids without disabilties and very harmful for kids with physical disabilities who might not be able to stay completely dry. She told us that she would not do that anymore, but we heard from another mother that she still was doing it. We were very happy to move away from that school district where the teacher was pretty much mentally abusing our child. The harm was done though.
 
my son was 3 when he got trained,,,,i would try all the time and each time ,,,he went in his pants,,,,my gram suggested 2 potties on to pee and one to poop,,,,and after about 3 days it worked and have never had a problem then,,,one other thing i did was put unders on him so if he wet he could feel it and he didnt like it ,,,i told him potties were for big boys and so were unders,,,,my girl was very easy she went on her own cause mom did,,,,boys are alot harder to train than girls thats for sure,,,,good luck,,,,,
 
Sorry to go off the subject a little here, but I am desparate enough to appear rude (usually I am not, really), but my DS is going to be 4 in a month, he has been trained for over a year, however, we used a potty chair with a deflector and then moved it to the big potty, now I am trying to get him to stand up and he won't. I have tried Cheerios, but no luck. I guess I wouldn't be that worried about it, because he does sit and go, but he consistently goes between the crack of the toilet and the lid, making a puddle. I pray when I send him off to preschool. That he just doesn't have to go, and he hasn't (it is only two hours), and the hope was that if he sees other little boys standing up, he would to, but doesn't want to. Anybody else have this problem. Any suggestions? I currently have blocked the "crack" in the toilet with a towel, but that doesn't help when we are not at home. HELP!
 
My son started potty training when he was 2 1/2 (he'll be 3 in Jan.) and had severe bowl movement problems (he would scream at the top of his lungs and just cry when he was trying to go). So bad that we had to make monthly visits to Children's Hospital. We tried pull ups first and he didn't care if he had an accident in them. I don't know if they just felt too much like diapers or what....So, we went straight to underwear. I made sure I got him some special ones with Bob the Builder and Blue's Clues and yes, his favorite, the Wiggles. After having a few accidents with peepee...he quickly learned to pee in the potty. But he had a giant fear of going poo on the potty because of his past experiences. At first he was terrified...he would sit on the potty and say he had to go but then get scared and hop off of it. He would wait till he had a diaper or pull up on at nap/bed time and then go. We started to break the cycle very slowely by rewarding him every time he went poo on the potty. And yes, there were a ton of accidents but I knew that this wouldn't last forever. I also made sure I never let him think that I was upset or he was a bad boy because that would discurage him. We gave him treats for going poo (he loved the colorful mini marshmellows). His daycare provider is also very good at helping us enforce our potty rules. If he goes poo on the potty at her house he gets a card that he gets to stamp with things such as "I'm a super potty pooper" "i'm a big boy" "I use the potty"and such...I 'm not sure where she got them from though, but he loves them. I also told him (and I kinda feel bad about this) that we can't visit Mickey's house until he has no more accidents because Mickey doesn't like that. He gets totally excited when he uses the potty now. It's been a long road (almost 6 months)but he's doing a great job and almost no more accidents. He's even gotten pretty good about going out in public (for short periods of time) in underwear. My advice is to just keep trying and reward him. It doesn't have to be anything big (like i said he likes mini marshmellows- 1 for everytime he goes) just keep letting him know he's doing a great job and he'll get the hang of it. Best of luck.

Paul David's mom
 
To McKelly


My 4yr DS had the same problem with learning at the beginning to sit down with a deflector. It took him a long time to stand up. He is also in preschool for 2.5 hours. He went last year in 3 yr preschool. I also use to pray that he didn't have to go. How tall is your son? I think for my son at 2.5 to 3 yrs he was sometimes to short especially at public restrooms. It was sometimes hard to make sure the pee went into the potty. Yea watching the other boys did help alot and growing some too. I also hated to sit him down in not so clean places. He now stands with out any problems. Our preschool is also very understanding with accidents(even with 4 yr olds) the teacher suggests extra clothing in their backbags.
 
my son now 4 ,,,,learned at preschool how to stand up,,,,all the rest of the kids did it at bathroom time and now he does it all the time,,,,,,,but the cheerios should work,,,,good luck
 


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