Poly DVC expansion coming 2024!

[Sandisw]

What will the expiration year be? Will it follow rest of Polly properties?

It has not been announced yet. We have no details if it will be the same association as PVB or if it will be a new one.

If it is part of PVB, it will expire the same as that because it will be all one resort.

If it is a new association then it could do the same or the could decide to make it a new 50 year contract.

The big reason to do a new one is so they can add resale restrictions and most likely why they have not announced so they have time to decide which way to go.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Why have only one DVC property with restrictions? I fear the new PVB2 will have them as well as all future DVC. Kinda like park passes…I think restrictions Are here to stay.

 

[Sandisw]

Why have only one DVC property with restrictions? I fear the new PVB2 will have them as well as all future DVC. Kinda like park passes…I think restrictions Are here to stay.

Me too. And the fact that RIV has outsold VGF the past two months..even though it’s not been a huge difference..it seems like just one more piece of info that a restricted resort can sell against one that doesn’t have them.

Plus, being it’s Poly, I think people will be more willing to overlook them for this.

 

[Paul Stupin]

Me too. And the fact that RIV has outsold VGF the past two months..even though it’s not been a huge difference..it seems like just one more piece of info that a restricted resort can sell against one that doesn’t have them.

Plus, being it’s Poly, I think people will be more willing to overlook them for this.

I know I will.

 

[Sandisw]

I know I will.

I own RIV so I bought with them but I am hoping to buy Poly tower so a second resort with them is no big deal.

Actually, I’ll only buy if a new association so restrictions or not, that’s what I am hoping they do!!!

 

[jkips]

Actually, I’ll only buy if a new association so restrictions or not, that’s what I am hoping they do!!!

What’s the rationale for you wanting/caring so much about a new association?

 

[pianomanzano]

What’s the rationale for you wanting/caring so much about a new association?

For me, it's not wanting to already have a bunch of Poly1 owners to be up against at the 11 month mark. Plus, I wouldn't want them to rebalance the insanely expensive bungalows with the Poly Tower rooms because I imagine they'll be pretty point heavy already.

 

[Paul Stupin]

For me, it's not wanting to already have a bunch of Poly1 owners to be up against at the 11 month mark. Plus, I wouldn't want them to rebalance the insanely expensive bungalows with the Poly Tower rooms because I imagine they'll be pretty point heavy already.

I won’t buy either if it’s the same association for those reasons. Also, I’m not a fan of either the rooms or the dated design of Poly1, so I’d rather the new resort be as independent as possible from its neighbor.

 

[scoobdoo]

I own RIV so I bought with them but I am hoping to buy Poly tower so a second resort with them is no big deal.

Actually, I’ll only buy if a new association so restrictions or not, that’s what I am hoping they do!!!

Same — don’t want existing Poly owners getting in at the 11-month window

 

[Ruttangel]

If DVD is planning on opening sales in 2024 to possibly sell out in 2027, so new buyers would have 42-39 years left on existing association.
I don't see that as a problem, it's consistent with VGF.
It's a new building but it's 50 yards away from a DVC resort with same issues. Would be very strange when a buyer walks in and says

"I love this resort and can't wait to stay at bungalows too"and guide says
"you can book that at 7 months like every other Joe, they are Nothing to do with this resort........"
you would be like,
"but it's right there I can see them from here"
"sorry sir they belong to original Poly owners."
"...ok, I want that instead then"

 

[pianomanzano]

Would be very strange when a buyer walks in and says

"I love this resort and can't wait to stay at bungalows too"and guide says
"you can book that at 7 months like every other Joe, they are Nothing to do with this resort........"
you would be like,
"but it's right there I can see them from here"
"sorry sir they belong to original Poly owners."
"...ok, I want that instead then"

I mean, I’m sure that conversation happens all the time over at the Wilderness Lodge.

 

[Ruttangel]

I mean, I’m sure that conversation happens all the time over at the Wilderness Lodge.

The cabins were in the new association though.
A lot of people on this thread wanting new association just don't want RIV to be only one with resale restrictions.
But those people would be furious If DVC expands RIV by taking over some of CBR to make the most luxurious resort and then said to RIV 1 owners no can do.

 

[🍀TwinsMom]

The cabins were in the new association though.
A lot of people on this thread wanting new association just don't want RIV to be only one with resale restrictions.
But those people would be furious If DVC expands RIV by taking over some of CBR to make the most luxurious resort and then said to RIV 1 owners no can do.

True. You have a good point. But, since when has WDW/DVC cared about guest satisfaction in recent years?

 

[pianomanzano]

The cabins were in the new association though.
A lot of people on this thread wanting new association just don't want RIV to be only one with resale restrictions.
But those people would be furious If DVC expands RIV by taking over some of CBR to make the most luxurious resort and then said to RIV 1 owners no can do.

If we’re going to be technical no one’s having the conversations with guides about bungalows and cabins because they’re available at the 7 month mark anyway.
While I own at RIV, I’m more concerned about the points I mentioned previously (Poly1 having an 11 month window, point rebalancing of the bungalows) than wanting another resort with resale restrictions. I’m genuinely interested in adding on Poly Tower and could care less about Poly1 (stayed there this past May and didn’t care for it at all). And my RIV points are my blue card eligible points, so I could care less if RIV remains the only resort with resale restrictions. I’m never selling those unless I’m leaving DVC altogether and then could care less whatever decisions they make.
I bought RIV for RIV, not whatever luxurious thing they can make out of CBR (which good luck to them because some of those rooms/buildings give me crappy motel vibes). And if they were foolish enough to try something like that, I’d rather they not make those one association either because I wouldn’t want my dues going up even further for the upkeep of “the most luxurious resort”, plus whatever shenanigans they’ll pull to adjust the portion of the Skyliner budget away from CBR to RIV.

 

[lovethesun12]

If DVD is planning on opening sales in 2024 to possibly sell out in 2027, so new buyers would have 42-39 years left on existing association.
I don't see that as a problem, it's consistent with VGF.
It's a new building but it's 50 yards away from a DVC resort with same issues. Would be very strange when a buyer walks in and says

"I love this resort and can't wait to stay at bungalows too"and guide says
"you can book that at 7 months like every other Joe, they are Nothing to do with this resort........"
you would be like,
"but it's right there I can see them from here"
"sorry sir they belong to original Poly owners."
"...ok, I want that instead then"

Not to mention the poly owners that already have points.

Same association
Poly owner: "Oh I see you're selling poly points. I'm an existing poly customer and want longer stays. Where do I sign?"
Guide: *points to paper* "Right here!"

Different association
"Oh I see you're selling poly points. I'm an existing poly customer and want longer stays. Where do I sign?"
"Welllllllllllll you won't *actually* be able to use all your points at new poly. But you can do a split stay with, well, poly! It will be fun! Stay at old poly, waste a day packing up all your kids/food/toys/clothes and lug it all over to - that's right, the exact same resort!"

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Why have only one DVC property with restrictions?

I don't think anyone predicts that will be the case. If Disney decides they don't like the restrictions for whatever reason, I think most people assume they'd be removed at Riviera as well.

I fear the new PVB2 will have them as well as all future DVC. Kinda like park passes…I think restrictions Are here to stay.

If it's a new association, I think you're right. But the most recent example we have is VGF2, which was rolled into the existing VGF association and doesn't have restrictions. So I think there's some reason for optimism.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Different association
"Oh I see you're selling poly points. I'm an existing poly customer and want longer stays. Where do I sign?"
"Welllllllllllll you won't *actually* be able to use all your points at new poly. But you can do a split stay with, well, poly! It will be fun! Stay at old poly, waste a day packing up all your kids/food/toys/clothes and lug it all over to - that's right, the exact same resort!"

I mean that's literally the setup at Boulder Ridge and Copper Creek and it seems to work fine.

There's precedent on both sides of this.

 

[Ruttangel]

Poly1 having an 11 month window, point rebalancing of the bungalows than wanting another resort with resale restrictions.

I understand there could be issues on the point chart, Its just my theory that it makes sense to combine.
One issue would be dues as things like shared transportation e.g. monorail would be spread over more owners But Poly 1 owners pick up new site costs which may swing the cost up?
In any case one of us will be right.

 

[kanerf]

I own RIV direct and I am waiting on a RIV resale (passed ROFR!) as well. The restrictions don't really matter to me because I want to stay at RIV. It will be the same for me at Poly2. If it comes back with restrictions, no big deal, because I will probably want to stay there.

 

[redboat45]

Me too. And the fact that RIV has outsold VGF the past two months..even though it’s not been a huge difference..it seems like just one more piece of info that a restricted resort can sell against one that doesn’t have them.

Plus, being it’s Poly, I think people will be more willing to overlook them for this.

It's outsold GFV because it's a far better price. If GFV were priced the same as RIV I bet it would sell way more. People go for the cheaper thing. If the new POLY tower is a new association with the restrictions but also the same price as RIV it will sell. If it has restrictions and is the same price as say GCV it won't.