Poly DVC expansion coming 2024!

[kdm31091]

Copper Creek I can see being separated because there’s a huge gap in contract length , although realistically I can’t see Disney doing anything with BRV other than an extension. They won’t make it cash only, and they’re not gonna demolish it. So likely will end up extended in my opinion.

PVB basically mirrors the VGF situation in terms of dates, so I’ll assume it will be the same condo association. No real reason to separate it.

the timing is somewhat odd as you’re adding yet more room capacity but are struggling to finish many outstanding park projects that would help absorb capacity.

 

[Marionnette]

I like Polyflections, I think I'll call it that

I wish that I could take credit but I cribbed it from another thread.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Serious question. I know a lot of people on this site like the larger accommodations but based on availability it seems as if the highest demand for units as a whole is clearly studios. And lowest point ones at that. I have only been a member for a few years but I have noticed a significant increase in demand in September with the new lower season. That being said, do you think that the more die hard members on this site have more points and are booking the larger accommodations? Also, I think more studios is probably what demand is showing is necessary as it seems like most DVC members look to get as many nights as possible for lowest points.

Lastly, I would be surprised if this new buildings didn’t have a tower studio type situation as well.

There's a lot of members that like to get as many nights as possible for lowest points but there's also a big subset that likes larger and improved accommodations for a similar cost as the resort hotel rooms. The 1st time around Poly was a bit of a disappointment in sales - an all studio resort wasn't actually appealing to everyone. For whatever reason with all the data the DVC has to have they still have a hard time figuring out the correct ratio of rooms though.

Does anyone else think that a late 2024 opening date is a little ambitious for a ground up build? I'm thinking that the supply of building materials alone could severely impact the timetable. This is why, while I'm happy to see a new building, I'm surprised that the next DVC at WDW is not another resort room flip of some sort.

You mean considering that they haven't been able to get some rooms refurbished at one of the smallest resorts at WDW in the same length of time they say they'll build an entire new giant building?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

There's a lot of members that like to get as many nights as possible for lowest points but there's also a big subset that likes larger and improved accommodations for a similar cost as the resort hotel rooms. The 1st time around Poly was a bit of a disappointment in sales - an all studio resort wasn't actually appealing to everyone. For whatever reason with all the data the DVC has to have they still have a hard time figuring out the correct ratio of rooms though.

You mean considering that they haven't been able to get some rooms refurbished at one of the smallest resorts at WDW in the same length of time they say they'll build an entire new giant building?

I don't understand the BRV issue at all. It's all funded by the dues capital reserve, so what the heck are they waiting for? It's not like it costs them a dime.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I don't understand the BRV issue at all. It's all funded by the dues capital reserve, so what the heck are they waiting for? It's not like it costs them a dime.

My only guess at this point is the number of construction companies they will work with? And they keep directing the resources towards each new project they decide HAS to suddenly be done? Otherwise I also can't figure out why.

 

[Bjaiken77]

Copper Creek I can see being separated because there’s a huge gap in contract length , although realistically I can’t see Disney doing anything with BRV other than an extension. They won’t make it cash only, and they’re not gonna demolish it. So likely will end up extended in my opinion.

PVB basically mirrors the VGF situation in terms of dates, so I’ll assume it will be the same condo association. No real reason to separate it.

This is my thought too

 

[CaptainAmerica]

PVB basically mirrors the VGF situation in terms of dates, so I’ll assume it will be the same condo association. No real reason to separate it.

Dates and inventory.

A mixed-unit resort adding a ton of new Studio inventory. A Studio-only resort adding a ton of mixed inventory.

 

[KVacc]

Can someone buying after this announcement find the boilerplate about Reflections? In the current documentation it specifically says that you should not expect to be able to stay at DL Tower or Reflections, RIP. It singles those out because they were advertised as part of DVC, but may or may not ever happen or be part of DVC.

VGF wasn't in that boilerplate, maybe because it was O14. It will be interesting to see the new boilerplate.

Whats a boilerplate?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Whats a boilerplate?

The fine print that's repeated in all of the different contracts.

 

[tjkraz]

I don't understand the BRV issue at all. It's all funded by the dues capital reserve, so what the heck are they waiting for? It's not like it costs them a dime.

My understanding is that BRV missed their refurb window due to some combination of design and supply issues. They weren't ready to go when availability was blocked-off for the refurb. That leaves you staring at 11 months of reservations, trying to figure out the least painful way to schedule the project. Pushing it back a full year is the most straightforward option, but I'm not entirely clear on what they decided here.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

My understanding is that BRV missed their refurb window due to some combination of design and supply issues. They weren't ready to go when availability was blocked-off for the refurb. That leaves you staring at 11 months of reservations, trying to figure out the least painful way to schedule the project. Pushing it back a full year is the most straightforward option, but I'm not entirely clear on what they decided here.

Sorry but I have to call BS on that info. It's akin to often used "due to member feedback". DVC has a history of not planning and blocking off dates for refurbs. VWL in 2014. BCV shortly after and the list could continue. They suddenly added PVB and VGF to the refurbs well within the 11 month marks- unplanned for the time they did and they made that work too. And there have been various availability changes at VWL that indicated blocked off rooms that were released back. They've had a LOT of 11 month windows to block off if that really were the case.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Sorry but I have to call BS on that info. It's akin to often used "due to member feedback". DVC has a history of not planning and blocking off dates for refurbs. VWL in 2014. BCV shortly after and the list could continue. They suddenly added PVB to the refurbs - unplanned for the time they did and they made that work too. And there have been various availability changes at VWL that indicated blocked off rooms that were released back. They've had a LOT of 11 month windows to block off if that really were the case.

Maybe they decided the COVID points glut made it imprudent to hold back inventory?

 

[bbeagle]

the timing is somewhat odd as you’re adding yet more room capacity but are struggling to finish many outstanding park projects that would help absorb capacity.

All the projects currently under construction (Epcot center, Avengers, Tron, Railroad) will be open well before the end of 2024.

The main problem with capacity is the shows, parades and attractions not open yet.
* Just taking a Character picture from a distance absorbs guests for 10 seconds. A line with interactions might absorb 200 guests for 30 minutes.
* Barbershop Quartets, fun interactions with guests... when those all come back, another 200 or so guests absorbed for 5 minutes.
* Same with Parades. People camp out an hour ahead of a parade. You'll absorb 10,000 guests for 90 minutes or so with more parades opening.
* Plus shows, if Fantasmic opened, 10,000 more guests absorbed. Plus all the other smaller shows/attractions that need to come back fully. Nemo, Belle, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, small shows outside in the countries, etc.

Once all these open fully, Walt Disney World will become more what we remember, and seem less crowded.

 

[tjkraz]

Sorry but I have to call BS on that info. It's akin to often used "due to member feedback". DVC has a history of not planning and blocking off dates for refurbs. VWL in 2014. BCV shortly after and the list could continue. They suddenly added PVB and VGF to the refurbs well within the 11 month marks- unplanned for the time they did and they made that work too. And there have been various availability changes at VWL that indicated blocked off rooms that were released back. They've had a LOT of 11 month windows to block off if that really were the case.

I'm not saying delaying for a year is the only approach, just that it is one approach. The VGF refresh was completed mostly in December 2021. There's zero chance that a dozen or more rooms were simultaneously vacant throughout that month without some advance planning or guest relocation. In the case of Poly, there were multiple reports of people being moved to hotel rooms.

BRV is a tear-down-to-the-studs refurb vs the refresh at those two resorts. Very disruptive to guests if not planned properly. (I say that as someone who once had to relocate due to noise from renovations on the villa one floor above us.)

Right now there's a lot of availability showing at BRV in late summer and fall. Hopefully Disney already has some time set aside for the work.

 

[DVChris]

https://www.dvcnews.com/resorts/polynesian/news/5255-early-look-at-polynesian-villas-expansion
So if this article is correct about the mix of rooms (below), any guesses on new association or the same based on the number of studios vs 1 beds vs 2 beds?

Applying this logic to the full artwork--which is difficult in some areas due to building angles and obstructions--we estimate the following:

• Dedicated Studio: 42
• Dedicated One Bedroom: 24
• Two Bedroom (type undetermined): 40

We are also guessing there are three Grand Villas on the top floor, one facing directly at Seven Seas Lagoon with two others bracketing it on either side. That gives us a total of 109 villas visible in the concept. That represents only one side of the bulding, most of which could be labeled Theme Park View. There are almost certainly some rooms on the other side of the building, perhaps with wings which extend perpendicular to this structure more than doubling the room count. Our educated guess is that there will be about 200-250 villas in the new building.

 

[UofMGuy423]

https://www.dvcnews.com/resorts/polynesian/news/5255-early-look-at-polynesian-villas-expansion
So if this article is correct about the mix of rooms (below), any guesses on new association or the same based on the number of studios vs 1 beds vs 2 beds?

Applying this logic to the full artwork--which is difficult in some areas due to building angles and obstructions--we estimate the following:

• Dedicated Studio: 42
• Dedicated One Bedroom: 24
• Two Bedroom (type undetermined): 40

We are also guessing there are three Grand Villas on the top floor, one facing directly at Seven Seas Lagoon with two others bracketing it on either side. That gives us a total of 109 villas visible in the concept. That represents only one side of the bulding, most of which could be labeled Theme Park View. There are almost certainly some rooms on the other side of the building, perhaps with wings which extend perpendicular to this structure more than doubling the room count. Our educated guess is that there will be about 200-250 villas in the new building.

That would bring the total units up to 630 if it's the same association. It would make it the 4th largest DVC resort.

 

[Royal Consort]

https://www.dvcnews.com/resorts/polynesian/news/5255-early-look-at-polynesian-villas-expansion
So if this article is correct about the mix of rooms (below), any guesses on new association or the same based on the number of studios vs 1 beds vs 2 beds?

Applying this logic to the full artwork--which is difficult in some areas due to building angles and obstructions--we estimate the following:

• Dedicated Studio: 42
• Dedicated One Bedroom: 24
• Two Bedroom (type undetermined): 40

We are also guessing there are three Grand Villas on the top floor, one facing directly at Seven Seas Lagoon with two others bracketing it on either side. That gives us a total of 109 villas visible in the concept. That represents only one side of the bulding, most of which could be labeled Theme Park View. There are almost certainly some rooms on the other side of the building, perhaps with wings which extend perpendicular to this structure more than doubling the room count. Our educated guess is that there will be about 200-250 villas in the new building.

Reading this article I am more inclined to think this is an entirely new association on the plot of Poly land and loosely connected. DVC don't NEED more studio options at Poly hence why having the number of studios suggested by the article is indicative of a stand alone resort to me.

Also, so many theme park view rooms. I wonder if Disney would want to restrict these from the legacy owners at 11 months and offer them exclusively to new owners at 11 months. Its a selling point for the new property that you wont get with the old. Point of difference - an enticement.

 

[SleeplessInTO]

Lack of refurb means disney isn’t looking to sell more direct points at Boulder Ridge. They had to pretty up Grand Flo and Poly. It’s working on me, I’m loving the Poly and starting to think about saving up for a contract in 2-3 years direct.
Perhaps it’s not due to funding but the lack of materials or labour. It took awhile to get the last of the Murphy beds installed at Poly, so might’ve run into shortages there. The weird availability at BRV indicates they’re trying to figure out how to make this work, but can’t seem to. They really need to, though. The delay is egregious.

 

[scoobdoo]

Sure looks like a generic building. If you told me that was a Tampa Hyatt, I would believe you.

I actually think it looks stunning.

 

[nlenguyen]

Lack of refurb means disney isn’t looking to sell more direct points at Boulder Ridge. They had to pretty up Grand Flo and Poly. It’s working on me, I’m loving the Poly and starting to think about saving up for a contract in 2-3 years direct.
Perhaps it’s not due to funding but the lack of materials or labour. It took awhile to get the last of the Murphy beds installed at Poly, so might’ve run into shortages there. The weird availability at BRV indicates they’re trying to figure out how to make this work, but can’t seem to. They really need to, though. The delay is egregious.

I feel bad for BRV because those rooms are not living up to what members are paying in their annual dues. They deserve it if that is what the budget was set for