Police: 'Spitting' Teen Shocked With Taser At Disney

[Praying Colonel]

Please, somebody put this thread out of its misery.

 

[scottny]

i fully agree.

I would not be surprised to see them turn it around now and sue Disney and the police department now. Isn't America grand nowadays?

Also, I think the minor's should do jail time and the parents do more jail; time. If More parents are held responsible then the kids today will stop thinking they can get away with everything.

 

[marivaid]

The spitting is disgusting but what have we become as a society if we think it is appropriate to use possible deadly force (hundreds have died after being tasered) because we were spit on.

Even if you leave out the fact that the girl hit a cop, what other options do you have when you're dealing with young adults who are obviously not following any rules and are possibly drunk on top of it?

CM / Guest : Miss, please stop spitting.
Girl : (Spits in CM/Guest's face)

At some point it was going to get physical. I think the security guys did what had to be done before the situation degenerated into a fight between those teens and guests - all that with a bunch of little kids around.

I'd rather see a troublemaker get Tasered than children being trampled or slammed onto the pavement. But that's just me.

 

[sunee]

The spitting is disgusting but what have we become as a society if we think it is appropriate to use possible deadly force (hundreds have died after being tasered) because we were spit on.

A society that doesn't tolerate people spitting on each other.

Don't want repercussions? Don't spit on people. Problem solved.

 

[ModestMouse]

...just a few of the examples of the mob mentality exhibited here - which is what I am talking about.

Respectfully, you are confusing discussion on an Internet board with mob mentality. Mob mentality is:
--a 19-year old Hazadi girl in Iraq being publically stoned to death by a mob this month, including her relatives, for dating a Sunni boy while the event, a so-called "honor killing", is recorded on cell phone cameras
--14-year old Emmett Till being kidnapped and killed in 1950s Mississippi for allegedly saying something provocative to a woman and his kidnapping and murder being covered up by a large group of people working in concert
--gangs of Nazis destroying Jewish businesses and homes across Germany on the Kristallnacht

THAT'S mob mentality. Comparing the people on this board, scattered around the world, to a mob just boggles the mind.

These kids at Disney will rightly get the full protection of the law, unlike the victims of mob mentality listed above. But their alleged crimes were committed in front of multiple witnesses, in a crowded place, and I would be very surprised if the cameras weren't rolling in the security offices when they supposedly assaulted the deputy. Because so many details about the situation have been released, it's a perfectly natural response for people on this board to discuss. But no one is suggesting we all drive to Orlando or Long Island and take justice into our own hands, like the villagers with torches in hand, storming Frankenstein's castle. That would be mob mentality.

Yes, they are presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. (Disney, though, has already barred them from the parks, as is their right, it's private property.) These kids, unlike a victim of true mob mentality, will have their day in court and the prosecutors will have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that they committed the infractions before they can be found guilty under law. They will have access to competent defense. If they're innocent, they should be found innocent.

But their presumption of innocence does not derail our rights of free speech to discuss our thoughts on the situation. And you are free to use whatever firebrand if inaccurate terms you like to describe the discussion, but don't be surprised if people disagree with you.

Peace.

 

[calgarygary]

Should we think that it is appropriate to beat people unjustifiably (which has caused 10 times more deaths than tasers)?

I believe that WDW handled the incident correctly in calling in the police. I do not believe that it would have been appropriate to beat the spitters for their action. I do believe that the police acted appropriately. I do not believe that the young girl should have been tasered for spitting (which she was not!). However, you will see many posts that applaud the tasering because she spit. Having her and her group removed from the park and arrested was the correct action.

 

[Willow16]

I'll just throw an aside here - did anyone watch Flavor of Love on VH1?? Punkin - she spit on New York - I shouldnt comment, but the "new" reality is the more often a kid tells a lie, it becomes the truth in their eyes - and then you are the "establishment" (showing my age... sorta) I think this started around the time of the OJ Simpson aquital actually - and I've seen it work too often in the teenage set -

and the other side or maybe a better arguement for cougar to try would be "innocent until proven guilty"

but make no mistake about it - I'm with the majority -

when teaching a 6th grade classs, outside for a gym period, I had problems keeping order with a few boys - I resorted to seperation - then the one boy throws a rock near me - and when I went to the principal with the boy - the boy says "I didnt throw a rock near her, I missed her, I was aiming at her!!" I do love the innocence of kids!!

I had an incident when I was a sub for a gym class in an elementary school. The boys in the class were so competitive and argued the entire class. When an inning in their ball game finished at the end of class, I called the game. One particular boy, who was on the losing team, asked to go to see the principle because he wanted to tell on me for stopping the game. When he came back (the principle wasn't in the office), I asked him if he wanted to get me fired and he said yes. After I got home, I emailed the teacher and the principle about this particular class. I heard back from the principle but only for him to tell me that this was the BEST 5th grade in the district and he went on and on. I was in tears when I got off the phone. I told the school district that I would no longer sub in this school. This is a huge problem that children are not held responsible for their actions. How does a child like this cope when they actually get out into the real world?

 

[mom2my3kids]

They deserve what they got and to be banned from Disney World forever..

 

[calgarygary]

Even if you leave out the fact that the girl hit a cop, what other options do you have when you're dealing with young adults who are obviously not following any rules and are possibly drunk on top of it?

CM / Guest : Miss, please stop spitting.
Girl : (Spits in CM/Guest's face)

At some point it was going to get physical. I think the security guys did what had to be done before the situation degenerated into a fight between those teens and guests - all that with a bunch of little kids around.

I'd rather see a troublemaker get Tasered than children being trampled or slammed onto the pavement. But that's just me.

This is an example of the incorrect information that is flowing through this thread. The security guard did the right thing - he called the police. He did not taser the girl, the girl was tasered by the police when she attacked one of the arresting officers in the police station. It is not the tasering that I question, but those that applauded the tasering thinking that it was for spitting or as a form of crowd control.

 

[DizzDoll]

IMHO it all boils down to the fact that you alone are responsible for your actions. You cannot blame anyone else nor should you get bent out of shape when you're brought to justice. Again IMHO the actions brought about the proper AND justifiable reactions.

 

[cougartrace]

Are you kidding? MY children know what is right and what is wrong.How come I get the feeling that If it was your children that was spitting and got tasered,you and your lawyer would have a press confrance about how your children are just children and they cant always remember all the rules.

That was unjustified as you don't know me. I have only one child and he wouldn't dare do such a thing.

Once again, all I'm saying about this thread, is that judgements and insults were made (just like the one you made against me) without knowing them.

To me, that is shameful.

Maybe I should sue for slander..lol..

 

[Camicar]

Children are children and don't exactly remember all the rules all the time. As long as they are good kids that's all that matters

1. These children were not toddlers who can't remember the rules. They are teens and I bet they can remember all the rules of their video games or how to get to the mall. If they can remember that, surely they can remember that it's against the rules to spit.

2. At what point does a good kid ever become a bad kid in your world? Let's see: these kids spit on others, were intoxicated (and since they were all under the drinking age, they either were drinking illegally or using illegal drugs), and assaulted a police officer. I'd have to say that is not the behavior of a good person, I'd say that is the behavior of a bad person. We've become so foolishly pc in our world, so afraid of hurting Johnny's precious self esteem that we insist that Johnny is really a good kid even when he is doing bad things. Sorry, but if you do bad things that says something important and critical about your character and who you are. A person who thinks of and participates in spitting on others and then assaulting a police officer is not of good character and not a good kid and I would be ashamed and humiliated if I had raised animals like that.

 

[cougartrace]

1. These children were not toddlers who can't remember the rules. They are teens and I bet they can remember all the rules of their video games or how to get to the mall. If they can remember that, surely they can remember that it's against the rules not to spit.

2. At what point does a good kid ever become a bad kid in your world? Let's see: these kids spit on others, were intoxicated (and since they were all under the drinking age, they either were drinking illegally or using illegal drugs), and assaulted a police officer. I'd have to say that is not the behavior of a good person, I'd say that is the behavior of a bad person. We've become so foolishly pc in our world, so afraid of hurting Johnny's precious self esteem that we insist that Johnny is really a good kid even when he is doing bad things. Sorry, but if you do bad things that says something important and critical about your character and who you are. A person who thinks of spitting on others and then assaulting a police offer is not of good character and not a good kid and I would be ashamed and humiliated if I had raised animals like that.

As far as my statement goes it wasn't in regards to this situation. It was in regards to how to refer by name to an adult.

Secondly, if these kids did this stuff, they deserve to be punished. Until they are found guilty, I won't trash or insult them.

 

[marivaid]

This is an example of the incorrect information that is flowing through this thread. The security guard did the right thing - he called the police. He did not taser the girl, the girl was tasered by the police when she attacked one of the arresting officers in the police station.

You have wrong info as well. The girl was tasered in an office at WDW. And the girl attacked the security guy, not a policeman. They were not taken to the police station until after they punched the security guard. And the sheriff arrived just in time, apparently :

The trouble began Sunday when the group, ranging in age from 14 to 20 and all from Shirley, L.I., allegedly started swearing and spitting on other Disney guests near the Space Mountain ride.

Suspecting the youths of being drunk, Disney security guards hauled the bunch into an office and called the Orange County sheriff's office.

When a sheriff's deputy showed up, according to a sheriff's report, G, 19, was bumping chests with a security guard and telling him to back off.

When the deputy tried to intervene, G shoved him and then things got really out of hand, he reported.

"The rest of the defendants that were in the room ran towards me and started punching and pushing me. ... As I would defend myself against one defendant, the remaining four defendants were punching me from behind," he said.

"I defended myself by throwing counterpunches in their faces and bodies in an attempt to break free of the fray."
The deputy used a stun gun to subdue a 17-year-old girl in the group after she allegedly slugged a security guard in the face.

I removed the name to protect that sweet little angel.

 

[kribit]

How did I miss this post?

I presume in the last 17 pages, someone said those little monsters should be banned from the parks forever. I agree.

 

[Marc A.]

You have wrong info as well. The girl was tasered in an office at WDW. And the girl attacked the security guy, not a policeman. They were not taken to the police station until after they punched the security guard. And the sheriff arrived just in time, apparently :



I removed the name to protect that sweet little angel.

Maybe we should let these poor-little misunderstood kids walk it off in the MK parade????

 

[calgarygary]

Respectfully, you are confusing discussion on an Internet board with mob mentality. Mob mentality is:
--a 19-year old Hazadi girl in Iraq being publically stoned to death by a mob this month, including her relatives, for dating a Sunni boy while the event, a so-called "honor killing", is recorded on cell phone cameras
--14-year old Emmett Till being kidnapped and killed in 1950s Mississippi for allegedly saying something provocative to a woman and his kidnapping and murder being covered up by a large group of people working in concert
--gangs of Nazis destroying Jewish businesses and homes across Germany on the Kristallnacht

THAT'S mob mentality. Comparing the people on this board, scattered around the world, to a mob just boggles the mind.

You used those comparisons - it goes without saying that the actions of the posters on this board are not and should not be compared to such events.

These kids at Disney will rightly get the full protection of the law,

As the names of the minors have already been posted, they have not received the full protection of the law.

Because so many details about the situation have been released, it's a perfectly natural response for people on this board to discuss. But no one is suggesting we all drive to Orlando or Long Island and take justice into our own hands, like the villagers with torches in hand, storming Frankenstein's castle. That would be mob mentality.

Yet many posters, erroneously believing that the tasering was for spitting, have applauded it, (again, I believe that tasering to subdue the girl for attacking a police officer was appropriate) and have also suggested that they would have attacked the spitters had it happened to them.

Yes, they are presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. (Disney, though, has already barred them from the parks, as is their right, it's private property.) These kids, unlike a victim of true mob mentality, will have their day in court and the prosecutors will have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that they committed the infractions before they can be found guilty under law. They will have access to competent defense. If they're innocent, they should be found innocent.

I am in agreement and believe that as adults, we must be responsible for our actions and be prepared for any and all consequences. I do however strongly believe that the minors should not have been identified.

 

[minnie61650]

FWIW, threads like this don't make me feel better than anyone else. They make me feel better about the human race and society, that most people believe that this behavior is unacceptable and are willing to say so. We have become far too accepting and nonjudgmental as a society. People in our world are making excuses for murderers and rapists because their childhoods weren't the best. People drive drunk, they have an excuse. CEO's run a company into the ground and people lose their pensions, they have an excuse.
If we as a society don't stand up against what is wrong, make some judgments once in awhile and draw a line, the events in Tomorrowland will be eerily prophetic, because that will be our tomorrow - and we will all have to live in it.

 

[brandi~momof3]

maybe the 17 year old whose name was stated in the paper is being charged as an adult and that is why her name CAN be released

 

[marivaid]

maybe the 17 year old whose name was stated in the paper is being charged as an adult and that is why her name CAN be released

In all fairness they released all the names including the 14 year old, and even have photos of them online.