Police and Firefighter Discounts - Would you support this?

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by Kendra17
not sure why?

Hmmm, I'm afraid I'm opening a can of worms, but I think the reason that people lost the respect for firefighters and police a year after 9/11 has to do with how politically divided the country has become. It seems to me that those supporting this administration, including how it has handled the War on Terror, support these civil servants as well as support the troops in Iraq. Those who absolutely loathe this administration seem not to have the same respect for the firefighters and cops that they did immediately after 9-11.

I bet you that some people will write here and deny this--tell me that's not true. But, I also believe that if we backtracked on those who stated "no discounts" or "yes, discounts", and asked them their political leanings, we might find that to be absolutely true.

I'm not sure that anyone wants this to be a political forum, but this is what I believe--and have seen personally.

Kendra

***W '04!!!****

I do not think that a certain job entitles one to special discounts. Whether that would be police officers or SAHMs. None of us were made to be a certain thing. We all chose what we wanted to do so we should learn to live with the consequences and not expect a handout. I am a registered democrat but am really a moderate. I vote for as many republicans as I do democrats. I voted for the first Bush, really liked him, but think this one is a bumbling idiot. I think he lied about the reasons of going to war and that our troops are there for no good reason. With that being said, I do support my troops. They are doing their job and a good one at that. I really hope we get them all out there quickly as it is a waste of our human life that they are there. Just because I can't stand our president does not mean I don't have respect for our law enforcement, firemen, and troops.

 

[Kendra17]

Haha!!!!

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I do not think that a certain job entitles one to special discounts. Whether that would be police officers or SAHMs. None of us were made to be a certain thing. We all chose what we wanted to do so we should learn to live with the consequences and not expect a handout. I am a registered democrat but am really a moderate. I vote for as many republicans as I do democrats. I voted for the first Bush, really liked him, but think this one is a bumbling idiot. I think he lied about the reasons of going to war and that our troops are there for no good reason. With that being said, I do support my troops. They are doing their job and a good one at that. I really hope we get them all out there quickly as it is a waste of our human life that they are there. Just because I can't stand our president does not mean I don't have respect for our law enforcement, firemen, and troops.
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This is exactly what I meant! It seems as though one professes to support our troops, law enforcement officers, and firefighters, the ones that don't want them to get the discount are ones who despise this administration! I'm still reluctant to get into a political debate in the Disney forum, but the President never lied about Iraq. Also, although it isn't widely reported in the media (but when it is, it's immediately pooh-poohed), there have even been weapons found--the sarin, the bioweapons factories, and even the recent report of an intent to purchase Uranium which proves a nuclear program. A good book to read is Stephen F. Hayes' Connection, which details the links between Al Quaeda and Iraq. Although the "spin" on the recent 9-11 commission findings would leave one to believe that there was NO connection, it's just not true.

 

[2Disneybuggs]

There are other working families who would deserve a discount, not just cops and firefighters.Im a SAHM and could really use the Disney magic to deal with the stress of my position! It wouldn;t be fair to only single out those two professions when other workers do have risky jobs that don;t involve law enforcement.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Originally posted by 2Disneybuggs
There are other working families who would deserve a discount, not just cops and firefighters.Im a SAHM and could really use the Disney magic to deal with the stress of my position! It wouldn;t be fair to only single out those two professions when other workers do have risky jobs that don;t involve law enforcement.

What about all of the minimum wage workers? Don't they deserve a discount? What about clergy? Shouldn't the lunch room ladies get a discount? What about janitors? Can we leave out gardeners and window cleaners?

I don't think any one group deserves a discount MORE than another does. General codes, AAA, and AP rates are great. They are open to EVERYONE.

Believe or not it's possible to disagree with Bush and still respect police and fireworkers.

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by Kendra17
Haha!!!!

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I do not think that a certain job entitles one to special discounts. Whether that would be police officers or SAHMs. None of us were made to be a certain thing. We all chose what we wanted to do so we should learn to live with the consequences and not expect a handout. I am a registered democrat but am really a moderate. I vote for as many republicans as I do democrats. I voted for the first Bush, really liked him, but think this one is a bumbling idiot. I think he lied about the reasons of going to war and that our troops are there for no good reason. With that being said, I do support my troops. They are doing their job and a good one at that. I really hope we get them all out there quickly as it is a waste of our human life that they are there. Just because I can't stand our president does not mean I don't have respect for our law enforcement, firemen, and troops.
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This is exactly what I meant! It seems as though one professes to support our troops, law enforcement officers, and firefighters, the ones that don't want them to get the discount are ones who despise this administration! I'm still reluctant to get into a political debate in the Disney forum, but the President never lied about Iraq. Also, although it isn't widely reported in the media (but when it is, it's immediately pooh-poohed), there have even been weapons found--the sarin, the bioweapons factories, and even the recent report of an intent to purchase Uranium which proves a nuclear program. A good book to read is Stephen F. Hayes' Connection, which details the links between Al Quaeda and Iraq. Although the "spin" on the recent 9-11 commission findings would leave one to believe that there was NO connection, it's just not true.

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Kendra, once doesn't have to support the moron in office, and save your rhetoric for someone that will believe it, to support our law enforcement. Tell me how much you have donated to the police and fire department this year. Let's compare. DH and I donated $10,000 toward a new fire department for our community. We generally only give $1000 a year to them but thought this was a super worthy cause that needed our support. On the other hand we donated $2000 this year to the families and children of fallen police officers. We do this every year also. We feel that the kids really deserve to go to college and need our help even more so after a parent was killed in the line of duty. So please tell me how much you have donated to the causes and we can compare. Maybe we should judge our support by dollars since you seem to feel it is okay to do so by which candidate we support. Both ways, of course, are ludicrous. I will be waiting for your honest answer.

 

[Kendra17]

Wow, Terry. . . this sounds a bit angry on your part. To be honest with you, we have donated money, but have not donated nearly the amount you say you have, because we are not able to afford a $10,000 donation, and probably won't be able to do that for the foreseeable future. That being said, I still stand by my comments of support being divided by political lines. If you are the exception to that, more power to you.

I don't completely understand why this is the case--and I know there are exceptions-- but I stand by my comments.

Ask the firefighters and cops yourself. Most, NOT ALL, do not see the democrats as friends of their respective departments. They booed Hilary Clinton off the stage at the Concert for New York, remember, but treated Guilliani as the friend they knew he was.

 

[DISUNC]

I THINK THE ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF.....SINCE DISNEY OFFERS A MILITARY DISCOUNT...SHOULD FIRE DEPT & POLICE DEPT ALSO GET A DISCOUNT?

LETS GET BACK ON TRACK AND PLEASE KEEP ALL POLITICS FOR ANOTHER FORUM.

YES WE CHOOSE WHAT CAREERS WE WANT. WE EACH IN OUR OWN WAY HELP THE WORLD TO BE A BETTER PLACE (I HOPE)

....HOWEVER WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME AN ACCOUNTANT RAN INTO A STRANGERS BURNING BUILDING TO SAVE THEM??????

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME SOMEONE BROKE INTO YOUR HOUSE AND YOU KNEW THE ONLY THING THAT WILL SAVE YOU & YOUR FAMILIES LIFE WAS TO CALL A TEACHER?

THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO BE IN THE MILITARY, COPS & FIREMAN...KNOW THAT WHEN THEY LEAVE HOME EVERYDAY FOR WORK, THEY MAY NOT BE COMING HOME AGAIN.

AS A SYSTEM ANALYST I NEVER EVER THINK ABOUT THAT ON A DAILY BASIS...OR EVER.

THESE PEOPLE ARE A HEROIC GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO SAVE OUR LIFES....EACH AND EVERY DAY. THEY DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT BY ALL.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Originally posted by DISUNC
I THINK THE ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF.....SINCE DISNEY OFFERS A MILITARY DISCOUNT...SHOULD FIRE DEPT & POLICE DEPT ALSO GET A DISCOUNT?

LETS GET BACK ON TRACK AND PLEASE KEEP ALL POLITICS FOR ANOTHER FORUM.

YES WE CHOOSE WHAT CAREERS WE WANT. WE EACH IN OUR OWN WAY HELP THE WORLD TO BE A BETTER PLACE (I HOPE)

....HOWEVER WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME AN ACCOUNTANT RAN INTO A STRANGERS BURNING BUILDING TO SAVE THEM??????

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME SOMEONE BROKE INTO YOUR HOUSE AND YOU KNEW THE ONLY THING THAT WILL SAVE YOU & YOUR FAMILIES LIFE WAS TO CALL A TEACHER?

THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO BE IN THE MILITARY, COPS & FIREMAN...KNOW THAT WHEN THEY LEAVE HOME EVERYDAY FOR WORK, THEY MAY NOT BE COMING HOME AGAIN.

AS A SYSTEM ANALYST I NEVER EVER THINK ABOUT THAT ON A DAILY BASIS...OR EVER.

THESE PEOPLE ARE A HEROIC GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO SAVE OUR LIFES....EACH AND EVERY DAY. THEY DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT BY ALL.

I have two friends that are track workers for transit. Each time they go into the tunnels, they risk not coming out. Track workers have been killed on the job. The risk they take, keep the rest of us safe when we ride the subways. Should they get a discount?

It's possible to treat people with respect without giving them discounts to a theme park.

 

[skiwee1]

Actually my DH works in the defense area. He does things that many from other countries would love to know about. If he is going to be out from work his company asks that he call them so they don't think he was "taken" for his info. So yes there are others that do dangerous work too. Doing dangerous work doesn't have to mean going into a burning building or going after some drug addict with a gun. Danger comes in all forms.

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by Kendra17
Wow, Terry. . . this sounds a bit angry on your part. To be honest with you, we have donated money, but have not donated nearly the amount you say you have, because we are not able to afford a $10,000 donation, and probably won't be able to do that for the foreseeable future. That being said, I still stand by my comments of support being divided by political lines. If you are the exception to that, more power to you.

I don't completely understand why this is the case--and I know there are exceptions-- but I stand by my comments.

Ask the firefighters and cops yourself. Most, NOT ALL, do not see the democrats as friends of their respective departments. They booed Hilary Clinton off the stage at the Concert for New York, remember, but treated Guilliani as the friend they knew he was.

I am not angry. More like disgusted that you want to generalize and put all democrats as having one attitude and all republicans seemingly saints. Give me a break! There are just as many bad democrats as there are repubilcans. No one group has the monopy of sainthood. You can't lump everyone together as feeling one way just because they do not like the president. That is two totally different things. I have two friends that are cops. One county and one state. BOTH do not like Bush at all and will not be voting for him. Thankfully they see him for what he is.

 

[DISUNC]

Originally posted by disneyjunkie
I have two friends that are track workers for transit. Each time they go into the tunnels, they risk not coming out. Track workers have been killed on the job. The risk they take, keep the rest of us safe when we ride the subways. Should they get a discount?

It's possible to treat people with respect without giving them discounts to a theme park.

Not only is it possible, but absolutely necessary to treat EVERY DECENT person with respect. However, I firmly believe certain groups should get discounts due to the HEROIC nature of their civil service. This is way beyond its their "jobs" or "chosen professions".

Just as a generalization here. If where you live the Police, Fireman or Military go on strike, within 24 hours I am sure all hell will break loose. If the track workers go on strike....whats the worse that will happen in 24 hours?

Please consider this....In 2003..

How many Military personnel died in the line of duty?
How many Police Officers died in the line of duty?
How many Fireman died in the line of duty?
How many Track workers died in the line of duty?????

Yes, Track work is risky...ALL OTHERS ARE DEADLY!!!!!!

So are you saying that the military shouldn't get a discount either????

 

[disneyjunkie]

QUOTE]Originally posted by DISUNC
So are you saying that the military shouldn't get a discount either???? [/QUOTE]

Discounts should be general. None of us are FORCED into anything. We pick the type of work we want to do.

Aren't SOG and the Stars and Stripes discounted for military? If I'm not mistaken, the rates are based on rank. It's not as if it isn't possible for these families to go to Disney.

I don't believe discounts should be based on job choice. With general discounts EVERYONE can use them.

If they were to offer general codes and job specific codes for the same time period, then I'm fine with that. If it has to be only one, then I prefer something that's more inclusive.

 

[Kendra17]

The police and firefighters do the same type of job as the military in the sense that they enter into dangerous situations on a regular basis. Furthermore, their pay rate is fairly low. That is why, I think, many people believe they should get discounts when others should not. There are other careers where one may face dangerous situations, too. All of us face potentially dangerous situations. However, the police and firefighters are at more risk more often. That is why one might wish to single these folks out for a discount. It is NOT the same as being a stay at home mom, a transit worker, construction worker, etc. Their oath is to "protect and serve". Their is no similar transit oath, construction worker oath!

As for Skiwee1: Actually, you do sound angry--as do most of the liberals I hear these days when they start spouting their vitriolic hate-filled screeds regarding Bush/Bush Administration and his "lies", "theft of civil liberties", and anything else they can think of. You said, "You can't lump everyone together as feeling one way just because they do not like the president. That is two totally different things." You are right that these USED to be and SHOULD be two different things. They aren't anymore, unfortunately! I recommended The Connection in a previous post. Have you read Zell Miller's book, "A National Party No More"? With few exceptions (namely Ed Koch and Joe Lieberman) every democrat I know tows the same party line--true or not. And, for every "lie" they profess Bush told, they ignore that there is evidence to the contrary--though it's not even reported in the NYT or on CNN.

I still believe your two cop friends are the exceptions--most cops and firefighters are indeed Bush supporters (despite the fact that their union leaders may not be!)--for good reason. And, if you'd like to cease this political discussion, I'd be thrilled. I do not believe this is the forum for this either, and I'm sorry it has become one.

 

[Stimpy]

Just a little note, I think the SAHM thing was a little tongue-in-cheek! I know I was kidding when I said we deserved discounts more than law enforcement or fire personnel!

Also, I don't think any firefighter or police officer took an oath "to protect and serve" so they would deserve to get discounts. They do it because they want to do the job!

I am extremely pro-law enforcement. As I mentioned before DH is a police officer, DF was one, many other close relatives are police or firefighter. A close cousin of mine is a Marine who is getting ready to deploy back to Iraq after just returning a few months ago. I, myself, spent some time with the military, worked many years in Law enforcement. This may shock you but I am a Democrat! DH seems to have more problems getting respect from conservative, republicans who feel they are better than him.
PLease don't generalize based on political sides.

I think disneyjunkie is totally right in that there are discounts available for EVERYONE to use! No one is treated as better than someone else. Everyone has a fair shot at getting a discount.

 

[Kendra17]

Yes, I agree the SAHM thing was tongue-in-cheek. And, I don't think firefighters and police took their oaths hoping to get a Disney discount! Actually, that's the point. . .they took their oaths despite getting a Disney discount, high pay, and numerous other perks that other private sector jobs may afford. That is one of the reasons I think they DESERVE perks.

Yes, I have a comment about the politics again, but I'm gonna keep quiet on this post!

 

[FireRescueMom]

I Agree!!!

My husband and I are both Firefighter-EMT's and would love to see a discount.

There are promotions now and then for teachers.... Both my parents are teachers, and they got a GREAT deal at the Swan this summer, I think 1/2 off or somewhere around there.

 

[trracers]

Okay, I can get a government rate based on where I work, but I didn't know that any of the hotels other than SOG offered anything like that. What kind of rates are we talking about and what category hotel?



I think I saw that it said Dolphin or Swan and I know NOTHING about EITHER of these hotels....HELP

 

[Simba's Girl]

Yes I am from a cops family, but I know lots of other families that going to Disney is just a dream b/c of the low salaries of these professions....

Just a note here: I know PLENTY of cops/firefighters that actually make close to six figures and above due to the vast amount of overtime they can (and do) get.

And a general statement...when did this country get such and "entitlement" attitude? I mean why does everyone think because they did X,Y or Z or are X,Y or Z they deserve something better than the rest of us?

 

[Kendra17]

yes, I know that some cops earn quite a bit through overtime, but they are making a lot BECAUSE they work overtime! Gee, I don't want to work overtime, and I'd hate it if my husband did! I want him home! I think the reason this even came up is because the military gets discounts. Cops and firefighters ALSO have dangerous jobs that protect the rest of us. . .similar situation.

I am not from a cop or firefighter family and do not ,personally, feel entitled to a discount. I only think that this group, in particular, deserve a discount. Because they are put in dangerous situations specific to their career choice, because they may not be able to afford this type of vacation with their children otherwise, and because if they wait to save for this type of vacation, they might not even be around--their jobs are dangerous!

 

[disneygang]

Originally posted by Simba's Girl
Yes I am from a cops family, but I know lots of other families that going to Disney is just a dream b/c of the low salaries of these professions....

Just a note here: I know PLENTY of cops/firefighters that actually make close to six figures and above due to the vast amount of overtime they can (and do) get.

And a general statement...when did this country get such and "entitlement" attitude? I mean why does everyone think because they did X,Y or Z or are X,Y or Z they deserve something better than the rest of us?

Let's put this statement into perspective:

The Cops/Firefighers you know that make the close to six figures due to the VAST AMOUNT of overtime they get, still only make their base salary. If they make say $35K per year and with O.T. bring home $87K (I guess this is close enough to six figures) they would have worked two years in one. Don't get me wrong the payscale varies for extra duty so this would be a sliding scale, but it is rediculous to think this compares to the avg. person that brings home close to six figures as his primary job.

I am 34 year old Deputy Sheriff and have 5 beautiful children. I am remarried and my home life is second to none. I would be exstatic to make $35K as my base salary. I don't so I do other things to make what we need. By the way my DW is a SAHM. Would I get a double discount.

It appears to me that this isn't as much about who gets the discount but more who's opinion is the right as to why there should be a discount. But, I do find this discussion interesting.