Please cover your butt!

[Club Disney Chandler]

It's like watching Keeping up with the Kardashians

 

[polopony]

Let me take a crack at this: let's all turn the other cheek and put this thread behind us. No great floss.

 

[jdb in AZ]

Let me take a crack at this: let's all turn the other cheek and put this thread behind us. No great floss.

No buts about it.

 

[NotUrsula]

Can you provide a citation?

http://www.nps.gov/policy/Redacted_RM-9.pdf, p.15

It's not that Federal regulations themselves prohibit nudity on NPS property, it is that Park Service Police are tasked to enforce local law if the land falls within the boundary of that jurisdiction.

Brevard County ordinance specifically addresses the issue of nudity at Playalinda, and also specifically states that the beach at Playalinda is NOT considered a "location set aside for nudity" under the terms of the oridinance.

Public place provided or set apart for nudity means an enclosed public restroom; an enclosed functional shower or locker room facility; an enclosed sauna; a motel room or hotel room designed and intended for sleeping accommodations; or at the enclosed or isolated location of a bona fide private club whose membership as a whole engages in social nudism or naturism (a nudist resort or camp); and any similar public places in which nudity is necessarily and customarily expected outside of the home (example: doctor's office or hospital) or where a nude person would have a constitutionally protected expectation of privacy. The term also includes any area or land:​

(1)
Which is under the ownership or control of the federal or state government; and
(2)
Which the federal or state government has specifically and expressly designated, with signage or otherwise, as a location where nude sunbathing is permitted. Signs which only warn of possible encounters with nude sunbathers, or any similarly worded sign, shall not be deemed to constitute a specific or express designation of an area for nude sunbathing.

Public place means any location open to the common and general use, participation, or enjoyment of the public where the public is present or likely to be present, or any location where the public is invited and is free to go upon special or implied invitation, or any location where a person may reasonably be expected to be observed by the public. A public place includes, but is not limited to, a street, sidewalk, park, beach, business or commercial establishment (whether for profit or not for profit and whether open to the public at large or where entrance is limited by a cover charge or membership requirement), bottle club, hotel, motel, restaurant, night club, country club, cabaret or meeting facility utilized by a religious, social, fraternal or similar organization.​

http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=10473

If you read the entire ordinance, you'll see that it also prohibits the wearing of thong swimsuits on public beaches in Brevard. (The descriptions that explain what style of suit this applies to are very anatomically specific.)

What the Park Police supervisor at CNS has been publicly quoted in rhe local press as saying is that as long as no one makes a complaint, Park Police will not patrol with the intent of enforcement -- essentially he was saying that his officers have more important issues to worry about. However, he did make it clear that the PSP will enforce local law when responding to specific complaints.

I've been to Playalinda; it's one of the most beautiful primitive beaches in the country. The park's unwritten rule is that you must stay north of crossover 13B if you want to take off your suit on the beach. Most of the time complaints only happen when folks decide that crossover 13 (opposite the northernmost parking lot) is close enough. Local custom says that you need to keep walking to past 13B, and official complaints are considered fair game if you don't. (FWIW, even past 13B they don't tolerate public sexual activity.)

FWIW, I'm 1st gen American, and public nudity in proximity to swimming doesn't really bother me at all, especially not when it comes to children running around "nekkid", LOL. My parents' culture didn't find it offensive. However, I understand that the vast majority of Americans don't find it appropriate, so when in public in the US my family adhere to the more discreet expectation. I consider it to be simple good manners, if a bit of a PITA when it comes to changing out of sandy swimsuits.

 

[JohnDS]

http://www.nps.gov/policy/Redacted_RM-9.pdf, p.15

It's not that Federal regulations themselves prohibit nudity on NPS property, it is that Park Service Police are tasked to enforce local law if the land falls within the boundary of that jurisdiction.

Brevard County ordinance specifically addresses the issue of nudity at Playalinda, and also specifically states that the beach at Playalinda is NOT considered a "location set aside for nudity" under the terms of the oridinance.


http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=10473

If you read the entire ordinance, you'll see that it also prohibits the wearing of thong swimsuits on public beaches in Brevard. (The descriptions that explain what style of suit this applies to are very anatomically specific.)

What the Park Police supervisor at CNS has been publicly quoted in rhe local press as saying is that as long as no one makes a complaint, Park Police will not patrol with the intent of enforcement -- essentially he was saying that his officers have more important issues to worry about. However, he did make it clear that the PSP will enforce local law when responding to specific complaints.

I've been to Playalinda; it's one of the most beautiful primitive beaches in the country. The park's unwritten rule is that you must stay north of crossover 13B if you want to take off your suit on the beach. Most of the time complaints only happen when folks decide that crossover 13 (opposite the northernmost parking lot) is close enough. Local custom says that you need to keep walking to past 13B, and official complaints are considered fair game if you don't. (FWIW, even past 13B they don't tolerate public sexual activity.)

That is an awful lot of words that could have been cut down to "There are no federal regulations prohibiting nudity in the USA."

What do the parking lots in Playalinda have to do with what type of bathing suit is acceptable on a Disney cruise? I'm also not sure when this turned into a discussion about public nudity as that really doesn't matter and is just a stupid distraction. If you decide to go nude on the ship, I believe that you will find that Disney already has a policy against it and that they will enforce it. If thongs shouldn't be there, let Disney write a policy about it, until they do, I don't care what kind of suit a person wears.

I really don't get the point of your post except to add more nonsense to this inane thread.

edited for spelling.

 

[LittleMissMagic]

So I guess I'm the only person who read the original post and thought the OP was peeking up ladies' skirts on the staircase...... In which case, I think what people wear under their clothes is their choice, no matter how unflattering it may be.

 

[ColoradoDisneyFreaks]

It is social bullying when someone is saying something that can embarrass someone in public. The butt checks are not private, it is not acceptable to grab any person anywhere that is a stranger or cause any bodily harm, slapping. Having a thin layer of clothing that does cover the private area is all that is required.

I agree about a cover up when near food, or dining. These people are not naked. Asking someone to cover up because you don't like it, that's absurd. We are free to do as we please within reason and showing butt cheeks is within reason in the USA. Maybe some small towns would say different.

Enjoy seeing the cheeks as they are here to stay. Flaunt it if you want. Enjoy the show if you do or look away if you don't.

JW

There is no such thing as "social bullying", and people say things all the time that embarrass others in public, it's just life, again, this completely degrades the true definition of the term bullying, so that those who have been victims of it are seen as crying wolf over every little thing, please don't contribute to that. Not everything is bullying.

 

[ppony]

I don't care how good or bad *you* look in "floss" or how much weight you lost (I've been in that situation too and wish I could be again), I don't want to see it around my kids. That's it.

 

[JW9DVC]

There is no such thing as "social bullying", and people say things all the time that embarrass others in public, it's just life, again, this completely degrades the true definition of the term bullying, so that those who have been victims of it are seen as crying wolf over every little thing, please don't contribute to that. Not everything is bullying.

Before you try and tell me there is no such thing, why not look and fact check yourself. I agree that people need to stand up for themselves more. As a member of law enforcement I can say bullying is not someone crying wolf. I would say the people that don't care to see butt cheeks are, well, sheltered? Thanks CDF for trying though. You big bully!


http://www.stopbullying.gov/what-is-bullying/definition/index.html#types


Let's get this thong over with already. JW

 

[Zandy595]

So I guess I'm the only person who read the original post and thought the OP was peeking up ladies' skirts on the staircase...... In which case, I think what people wear under their clothes is their choice, no matter how unflattering it may be.

I had to go back and re-read the original post after I read this. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

 

[natmom]

Before you try and tell me there is no such thing, why not look and fact check yourself. I agree that people need to stand up for themselves more. As a member of law enforcement I can say bullying is not someone crying wolf. I would say the people that don't care to see butt cheeks are, well, sheltered? Thanks CDF for trying though. You big bully!


http://www.stopbullying.gov/what-is-bullying/definition/index.html#types


Let's get this thong over with already. JW

 

[lindros88]

FWIW, Miami isn't the rest of the US -- heck, it's not even the rest of Florida. Since 1990, Florida state law has banned the wearing of thong suits on state-owned beaches, and almost all counties and municipalities on the Gulf Coast have ordinances banning them on public beaches as well.

Thongs are legal on the vast majority of Florida Gulf Coast beaches. Naples beaches = legal, Fort Myers beach = legal, Sanibel Island beaches = legal, Captiva = legal, Sarasota County beaches (Manasota, Caspersen, Siesta Key, etc) = legal, Pinellas County beaches (Fort DeSoto, Sunset Beach, Madiera, etc) = legal, and so on. Sure there are some city beaches that ban thongs (i.e., Venice & Clearwater); however most beaches along the Gulf coast thongs are permitted.

Also, Florida law generally does not prohibit exposure of the buttocks (outside of state parks). In fact, under Florida state law full nudity is permitted as long as there was no lewd act accompanying said exposure. There have been plenty of state supreme court rulings in this regard. Of course there are a myriad of city/county laws which prohibit full nudity, in addition to the law you site in regard to state parks in Florida.

 

[ColoradoDisneyFreaks]

Before you try and tell me there is no such thing, why not look and fact check yourself. I agree that people need to stand up for themselves more. As a member of law enforcement I can say bullying is not someone crying wolf. I would say the people that don't care to see butt cheeks are, well, sheltered? Thanks CDF for trying though. You big bully!


http://www.stopbullying.gov/what-is-bullying/definition/index.html#types


Let's get this thong over with already. JW

Because adding a stranger making a public comment that might embarrass someone to bullying by making a category of "social" bullying, dilutes the true meaning of the term, whether or not stopbullying.com classifies it that way or not. This puts the connotation on the word out to the public that if something so small as an insult from a stranger is bullying, then it's not all that serious, thus the crying wolf. This makes it harder for people who are truly suffering from bullying to be heard. That's all.

 

[Broncobait]

I had no idea they wore those on the cruise ship! Now I'm really really really looking forward to my first disney cruise! Can anyone please recommend a good camera???

 

[DaisyNY]

We were also on that cruise...didn't really bother us (Mom and Dad) but our adult children (18 and older), who are very fit and slim did comment on how silly some women and men looked in their bathing suits...Really too much information sometimes!!!

 

[Teacher Princess]

Before you try and tell me there is no such thing, why not look and fact check yourself. I agree that people need to stand up for themselves more. As a member of law enforcement I can say bullying is not someone crying wolf. I would say the people that don't care to see butt cheeks are, well, sheltered? Thanks CDF for trying though. You big bully!


http://www.stopbullying.gov/what-is-bullying/definition/index.html#types


Let's get this thong over with already. JW

. Well said ! And great info btw.