Plan Ahead with Lightning Lane Entry at Walt Disney World Starting July 24

[champagne&disney]

Your tone isn’t helpful, and you absolutely can compare apples to apples. It’s the best way to compare things

There is no tone in written communication.

 

[neverlandsky]

Still tech issues there? Haven't been monitoring that one.

Yes, it's been down almost daily. Went down for tech issues when we were there July 18th.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Very helpful! This is in line with how I was thinking about it.

If, instead, you only book 1 Tier 1 at a park and leave the other two spots empty, then I presume the only way to be allowed to use the two empty slots at a different park (i.e., for park hopping) is by scanning into the first ride. There is no other means of triggering the ability to book the other two slots at a different park, correct? Ideally there would be a way of booking one ride at one park and two rides at another park in advance - even if it was a different price (i.e., a park hopping option).

I think if this is allowed Disney will figure it out and close the loophole. There were a few loopholes when G+ started that were closed within a few weeks.

 

[disney-inspired]

Well this doesn’t bode well for our trip 1/1-1/4. This is relatively low crowd season plus you don’t have anyone who has pre booked since this is the first day. And already TSMM is gone, HM is gone, Pirates is gone, Big Thunder and Jungle Cruise are well into the evening, Remy is gone, even small stuff like Spaceship Earth and Living with the Land have return times for evening. I can’t imagine what it will look like when people will have pre booked. So over peak times we will probably be paying 50 a person for 3 rides. I know you can refresh and we did that well with old FP and Genie, but who knows how well that will work now.

I think everyone needs to remember this is day 1 and so the usage is probably inflated. How many influencers are likely booking for the first few days to create content on the system. I think things will level out as time goes on.

Just sitting here watching the app for today -another observation/prediction, people will need to spend as much time or more on phones as with Genie+ refreshing and hoping times open-there are so many attractions with no availability left would have plenty of availability with Genie+ at this same time.

I never understood this thought - You look to book your next ride, select it and you're done. It takes a few minutes and it's only being done once you've finished one ride. I just don't see how this is 'so much time' on your phone. Also, no one has to use LLMP, they could choose to wait in the standby line and avoid it altogether. I think there is more time spent if you have a larger group and are trying to decide on a ride.

How many of those guests will get virtual queue though? And then they can't get it booking ahead either? I think stand-by should be offered at this point for rides with virtual queue.

Problem is that the standby line would be VERY long. It's long enough already for Cosmic rewind and that's WITH a VQ.

 

[BigBadBobbyH]

Simple they think they get quicker access to multiple Tier 1 options. You don't need to pre-select 3 experiences. They just want to tap in to a single Tier 1 or a Tier 2 experience at park 1. And then have the ability to book 3 experiences in another park without any Tier restrictions.

Only kink it this use case is there needs to be day of availability for any of the experiences they want to book in their second park and they need a park hopper entitlement. It really sounds like a way to save a few bucks. I don't see any real value in this use case. It will take time to see if this use case is of any real value vs the steps involved in the process.

Dave

I don't think the use case is that fabricated. I want to start the day at EPCOT and then go over to Magic Kingdom. I have two choices that I am considering:

1. Book all three experiences at Magic Kingdom and handle EPCOT on my own (via rope drop, stand by lines, etc.); or,

2. Book one early Tier 1 ride at EPCOT and then use LLMP solely for Magic Kingdom. The problem is figuring out how to book the MK rides as quickly as possible (whether they ideally be Tier 1 but even potentially Tier 2). I can't book the two remaining spots for MK in advance. I need to wait until the EPCOT ride is scanned and, then, I am free to book MK. My concern/risk is that MK has scarce availability for the best rides by the time I scan in for the EPCOT ride. But I may prefer all of those choices to the Tier 2 EPCOT rides.

My question on option #2 but was just making sure that all of that was feasible (or the best way to do it). It sounds like it doesn't matter whether I use the two slots for two Tier 2 EPCOT rides and then modify them or, alternatively, keep them open and then book 3 MK rides once I scan into the EPCOT ride.

 

[georgina]

I never understood this thought - You look to book your next ride, select it and you're done. It takes a few minutes and it's only being done once you've finished one ride. I just don't see how this is 'so much time' on your phone. Also, no one has to use LLMP, they could choose to wait in the standby line and avoid it altogether. I think there is more time spent if you have a larger group and are trying to decide on a ride.

So many rides seem to be booked up is what people have been seeing. If the next ride you want isn't available, you need to keep refreshing over and over to see if it might pop up. It's what you had to do with the old FP system as well as G+.

 

[neverlandsky]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tr...y-continues-to-bleed-customer-dry/ar-BB1qyPY4

They definitely upped their prices. We paid $27 MK / $20 Tron /$12 7DMT on July 18th . EP $19 / GotG $15 July 19th. DHS $22 / RoTR $22 July 20. & ILL$ FoP $14 July 21.

Must be a busier week this week. In order to save money in the future, might be best to attend certain parks with lower attendance those days. Given the excess fees, almost might be better to go for after hours or parties now. Although we weren't able to book the same ride to ride again in G+. We were able to ride some rides twice same day by going EE/RD and then getting LL for later on that day.

With the old FP+ system the only way we were able to ride rides twice was going to the same park 2 different days and going to MNSSHP. Refresh didn't work and popular rides were taken.

 

[Mouse Tracker]

So, if you enter a park and use your first ride (let's say it is a Tier 1 ride), can you then cancel your two Tier 2 rides, and book 3 rides at any park

I believe you are confusing the ability to "Pre Book" up to 3 rides and the hypothetical ability to "Start Over" once inside the park. I do not believe that can happen, "one at a time" after using first would apply.

 

[ThereYouSeeHer]

Very helpful! This is in line with how I was thinking about it.

If, instead, you only book 1 Tier 1 at a park and leave the other two spots empty, then I presume the only way to be allowed to use the two empty slots at a different park (i.e., for park hopping) is by scanning into the first ride. There is no other means of triggering the ability to book the other two slots at a different park, correct? Ideally there would be a way of booking one ride at one park and two rides at another park in advance - even if it was a different price (i.e., a park hopping option).

Hmm. Since tapping in OR having the arrival window expire releases the slot so another selection can be made, I assume it would work this way with park hoppers? So, if either option is triggered, it will recognize you are a park hopper and open up all parks at all tiers??

My question on option #2 but was just making sure that all of that was feasible (or the best way to do it). It sounds like it doesn't matter whether I use the two slots for two Tier 2 EPCOT rides and then modify them or, alternatively, keep them open and then book 3 MK rides once I scan into the EPCOT ride.

With what we currently know, I would personally feel more comfortable just booking those two slots and modifying them. I'd be concerned about walking in with only one selection, and that one attraction has a technical difficulty or some other problem. Or, we change our plans and decide to stay longer at the first park. Three pre-selections seems to add more flexibility and gives us what we paid for, even if we end up modifying them and not using them.

 

[BigBadBobbyH]

I believe you are confusing the ability to "Pre Book" up to 3 rides and the hypothetical ability to "Start Over" once inside the park. I do not believe that can happen, "one at a time" after using first would apply.

No, I understand it but I am trying to understand what is possible. I get the "pre book". It is not clear to me (without someone trying) whether it really is "one at a time" or whether you can modify to then get three rides at another park. If you can't modify then can you leave the two spots unbooked and just book them the day of (after scanning into the first ride).

 

[rastuso]

I think everyone needs to remember this is day 1 and so the usage is probably inflated. How many influencers are likely booking for the first few days to create content on the system.

A whole lot less than the people currently in the park oblivious to the changes that happened.

 

[ST1TCH]

Maybe my brain is oversimplifying this....we used to be able to do this, months in advance (if staying onsite) for FREE. And it worked great and we never had problems booking more rides the day of after we used each FP+. Now the same thing can be done, 7 days in advance, for a cost. And people are already complaining, 4-5 hours into the very first day, and predicting terrible experiences for future trips where they will only have 3 rides to do? Did y'all never do Disney in the FP+ days?

I feel like maybe we need to resurrect some old FP+ threads on how it works? And how successful it was as a FREE service. You have to understand that only a fraction of the people who used it as a FREE service will now pay in advance for it?

Also, with FP+, the last time I used it anyways, I could get FP+ for the same ride multiple times a day (after it was used) if there was still availability.

Also seeing several comments aimed at people choosing to buy LLMP for every day of their trip being a bad decision. But no comments about buying LLSP for rides that you could possibly get a VQ for FREE the morning of?

 

[TinkBink]

I was just practicing my refreshing skills (fingers crossed they allow you to pin rides to the top of the screen again!) and within one minute routinely saw LL's for Alien Swirling Saucers, Toy Story Mania and Tower of Terror come and go. Didn't hit on Slinky. But at least that gives me hope you will still be able to find availability throughout the day if you keep refreshing!

 

[BigBadBobbyH]

With what we currently know, I would personally feel more comfortable just booking those two slots and modifying them. I'd be concerned about walking in with only one selection, and that one attraction has a technical difficulty or some other problem. Or, we change our plans and decide to stay longer at the first park. Three pre-selections seems to add more flexibility and gives us what we paid for, even if we end up modifying them and not using them.

Yes. I agree!...unless there is a distinction between modifying the two slots over to another park versus booking two unused slots to another park. If you can do either, then I would agree to book them and modify.

 

[Karalee402]

I was just practicing my refreshing skills (fingers crossed they allow you to pin rides to the top of the screen again!) and within one minute routinely saw LL's for Alien Swirling Saucers, Toy Story Mania and Tower of Terror come and go. Didn't hit on Slinky. But at least that gives me hope you will still be able to find availability throughout the day if you keep refreshing!

I was doing the same thing! Can anyone confirm that they're able to pin things to the top of the tip board like we could with Genie? I'm not able to currently, but my trip isn't until fall.

 

[georgina]

I feel like maybe we need to resurrect some old FP+ threads on how it works? And how successful it was as a FREE service. You have to understand that only a fraction of the people who used it as a FREE service will now pay in advance for it?

Also, with FP+, the last time I used it anyways, I could get FP+ for the same ride multiple times a day (after it was used) if there was still availability.

You can't get multiple rides any more using this system. (Or the old G+)

Also seeing several comments aimed at people choosing to buy LLMP for every day of their trip being a bad decision. But no comments about buying LLSP for rides that you could possibly get a VQ for FREE the morning of?

Have you ever ridden GotG? It is well worth a VQ and purchased ride, especially since there is no standby line. For me there has never been a need to buy G+ for AK or Epcot so I wouldn't do LLMP there.

 

[wdw&sonny]

I kinda wish you were just limited to 3 selections. Period. Seems most of the conversations, with this new LLMP, Genie+ or FP+ are not about the initial selections, but rather, about the additional, 4th, 5th...selections. How to constantly refresh to modify. How to get the earliest return times to get to the 4th selection sooner. How to stack. The best strategy, hack, insider info, loophole, gaming the system. Having read this thread, and many, many, many other threads over many, many years of being a DIS fan, most of the discussion, disappointment and frustration surrounds the subsequent selections.
I think if we were able to choose to pay extra for 3 advanced selections, and that's it, there would be much, much less discussion and debate over the system, less time spent looking at the phone and less stress.

 

[TinkB278]

Just to confirm. You are NOT able to get multiple multi passes for the same ride (the way you could with fast pass)?

 

[voxparse]

I was just practicing my refreshing skills (fingers crossed they allow you to pin rides to the top of the screen again!) and within one minute routinely saw LL's for Alien Swirling Saucers, Toy Story Mania and Tower of Terror come and go. Didn't hit on Slinky. But at least that gives me hope you will still be able to find availability throughout the day if you keep refreshing!

If you go to the ride page in MDE and click LL from there it takes you to the tip board. If you refresh the board from there it auto scrolls to the ride you were looking at. Pinning would be better but this is an interim solution.

 

[Smugpugmug]

Just to confirm. You are NOT able to get multiple multi passes for the same ride (the way you could with fast pass)?

That is correct. No re rides.