Paying student loans

OP here. I have read Dave Ramsey, and actually we paid off our van almost 2 years early and the only CC debt we have is what we just put on this spring for our new furnace (will be paid off very soon). We paid for my DHs used truck with cash. We live in a very modest (small/older) home, neither DH nor I ever get new clothes, I try to buy everything for my DDs at garage sales, I cloth diaper to save money, we don't have fancy cable/cell phones/TVs/computers/etc. We don't go out to eat that often and when we do it is always a place where we have coupons. I believe we are very good with our money. I did have a PT job when my DH got out of work but I was downsized due to the economy. I would watch a little person or so but right now there is no one around me that I can watch!

Vacations are the only thing I/we splurge on. We NEVER go in debt on our vacations - cash only! It was a girls only very budget trip to WDW, and that was paid for with gift money from my dad that I had been saving for for years and with gift money for them. I know it is against Dave Ramsey, but I have lost a very close family member to me and I do still live life w/o regrets - meaning that I don't go into debt for vacations, but if something were to happen to my girls tomorrow - I wouldn't be wishing - I wish I would have paid off my student loans a year sooner. So, besides the student loans, we are doing very well.

Just looking at our student loans is so daunting/overwhelming - and I was just looking for some encouragement that it is possible! (also - they are totally up to date and still in good standing).

Well there is really no such thing as a budget DCL cruise. Paying cash for things is wonderful but you need to look at which are necessities and which are luxuries. Vacations are luxury. You can create memorable times with the kids without spending as much.

You also need to think what would happen if something were to happen to one of you. Possible loss of major income then you will wish those loans were gone.

Denise in MI
Good luck.
 
I don't see much point in worrying about the vacations. They are done and over with and what is really important is what you do from this point forward.

I would look into some type of part-time work just to bring in a little more income like others have said. There's bound to be something you can do at home or for a few hours in the evening. Then look around and see if there are ways to cut back on certain things. Use coupons and spend wisely. Shop sales for gifts. Accelerate those payments and get it rolling. Don't put it off any more and I bet that you'll feel relieved.
 
Well there is really no such thing as a budget DCL cruise. Paying cash for things is wonderful but you need to look at which are necessities and which are luxuries. Vacations are luxury. You can create memorable times with the kids without spending as much.

You also need to think what would happen if something were to happen to one of you. Possible loss of major income then you will wish those loans were gone.
Denise in MI
Good luck.
Student loans are forgiven in the event of the student's death.

But I agree with the sentiment. Living life with no regrets also means find a balance between obligations and desires. You can be just as regretful over not taking care of your debts as you can be for not taking the time to enjoy your time here.
 
OP here. I have read Dave Ramsey, and actually we paid off our van almost 2 years early and the only CC debt we have is what we just put on this spring for our new furnace (will be paid off very soon). We paid for my DHs used truck with cash. We live in a very modest (small/older) home, neither DH nor I ever get new clothes, I try to buy everything for my DDs at garage sales, I cloth diaper to save money, we don't have fancy cable/cell phones/TVs/computers/etc. We don't go out to eat that often and when we do it is always a place where we have coupons. I believe we are very good with our money. I did have a PT job when my DH got out of work but I was downsized due to the economy. I would watch a little person or so but right now there is no one around me that I can watch!

Vacations are the only thing I/we splurge on. We NEVER go in debt on our vacations - cash only! It was a girls only very budget trip to WDW, and that was paid for with gift money from my dad that I had been saving for for years and with gift money for them. I know it is against Dave Ramsey, but I have lost a very close family member to me and I do still live life w/o regrets - meaning that I don't go into debt for vacations, but if something were to happen to my girls tomorrow - I wouldn't be wishing - I wish I would have paid off my student loans a year sooner. So, besides the student loans, we are doing very well.

Just looking at our student loans is so daunting/overwhelming - and I was just looking for some encouragement that it is possible! (also - they are totally up to date and still in good standing).

And that's exactly what I'm talking about. For whatever reason, you made that choice that your vacations were more important than your student loans being repaid. You don't need to justify that to me or anybody else.

It's just the fact remains than when you spend the money on vacations or whatever else, then you are NOT sending it to student loans. Or retirement, or college savings, or whatever else you have chosen not to spend that money on in lieu of your vacations. You felt that the vacations were a higher priority. Whether or not that is a good decision is up to you and your husband, as long as you are both willing to live with the consequences.

I just know of no way at all to tell somebody how to make however much money you have now cover more in things and bills and savings with no changes. You either cut money from what you are spending, or you get more money.

I'm sorry if I don't sound encouraging enough, but these are all just so personal of decisions. You "needed" those vacations. You "need" not to work. Those are value judgements that you and your husband have made. You need to make the decisions and then you need to find your encouragement within yourself.
 

I have been right where you are (minus the not working) and I remember feeling overwhelmed. We took advantage of forebearances for so long, it was terrible. Our payment amount per month seemed so high, I was scared to even think about it.

I suggest calling whoever holds your loans and ask about your payment options. When we first started paying, we worked out a plan where we paid a smaller amount to start and then that amount gradually increased. It was helpful to us to start with something that easily fit into our existing budget. Then over the course of the next few months, we worked on our budget and determined how we could make bigger payments each month. Would it have been better to just start working extra jobs, never do anything extra and pay it all off sooner? Financially, yes. But there's more to it than that.

You will be able to find a balance that allows you to make your payments and still "have a life" even if you can't have it all.
 
OP here. I have read Dave Ramsey, and actually we paid off our van almost 2 years early and the only CC debt we have is what we just put on this spring for our new furnace (will be paid off very soon). We paid for my DHs used truck with cash. We live in a very modest (small/older) home, neither DH nor I ever get new clothes, I try to buy everything for my DDs at garage sales, I cloth diaper to save money, we don't have fancy cable/cell phones/TVs/computers/etc. We don't go out to eat that often and when we do it is always a place where we have coupons. I believe we are very good with our money. I did have a PT job when my DH got out of work but I was downsized due to the economy. I would watch a little person or so but right now there is no one around me that I can watch!

Vacations are the only thing I/we splurge on. We NEVER go in debt on our vacations - cash only! It was a girls only very budget trip to WDW, and that was paid for with gift money from my dad that I had been saving for for years and with gift money for them. I know it is against Dave Ramsey, but I have lost a very close family member to me and I do still live life w/o regrets - meaning that I don't go into debt for vacations, but if something were to happen to my girls tomorrow - I wouldn't be wishing - I wish I would have paid off my student loans a year sooner. So, besides the student loans, we are doing very well.

Just looking at our student loans is so daunting/overwhelming - and I was just looking for some encouragement that it is possible! (also - they are totally up to date and still in good standing).

I get it. If you are like us, your student loan debt is so large, that if you buckle down and cut everything you can, your kids will be grown by the time you do pay them off, and you certainly will regret never doing anything fun or taking a vacation with them. We can cancel our upcoming VERY BUDGET trip and pay an extra 2K on the student loans, but it would be like spitting in the ocean.

For us, I did have to come to the realization (and this isn't really because of the student loans only), that because I did spend so much time and money getting that stinking accounting degree, that I really couldn't stay home any longer. Right now DH and I work 4 days a week each, and don't have the same day off, so we need child care M, W, F only. We each get a day home with the little guy, driving 2 older, paid off cars, and are still plugging along at the student loans. I don't regret not taking a more aggressive approach to paying them off, but I'll admit it seems like for DH's grad school loans, there is no end in sight. Hopefully we'll pay off mine sooner. Mine is Standard pay, and we do have DH's on graduated. If you want the cheapest payments possible, you want Extended, which is a 20 year amortization. Some options are only for over a certain dollar amount.

There's definitely an implied trade-off with our schedules. Not that we'd get raises if we went back to 5 day work weeks, but we definitely can't look at getting other higher paying jobs somewhere else at the moment, because our schedules and our family life is very important with the ages of our 3 kids. It's all one big balancing act between the preschooler's schedule, the other two kids, their activities- carpools, practices, games, shows, meetings, etc. We've negotiated what we have, and it's hard to walk into a new job negotiating an alternative work schedue.

And if you haven't already, DON'T consolidate yours and DH's. I have yet to see any benefit in doing so, except the convenience of one payment. At least if you keep them separate, you have the benefit of knowing if something were to happen to one of you, the loans are forgiven. If you consolidate, and something were to happen to DH, you would still be on the hook for the joint debt.
 
I still don't really understand.

Are you saying you CANNOT pay them on your current salary or are you saying it is just overwhelming and you need to vent?

When I started staying home with the kids we went very bare bones. I figured my "job" was really now to save money for the family.

So, I made a strict budget and stuck to it as well as I possibly could. There were so many things we didn't "need" that we were still holding on to.

I followed this for some great grocery suggestions:

http://www.budget101.com/budget101-free-ebook/free-ebook-groceries-200-month-2547.html

But I also cut pretty much everything else as far down as I possibly could.

Dawn
 
OP here. I have read Dave Ramsey, and actually we paid off our van almost 2 years early and the only CC debt we have is what we just put on this spring for our new furnace (will be paid off very soon). We paid for my DHs used truck with cash. We live in a very modest (small/older) home, neither DH nor I ever get new clothes, I try to buy everything for my DDs at garage sales, I cloth diaper to save money, we don't have fancy cable/cell phones/TVs/computers/etc. We don't go out to eat that often and when we do it is always a place where we have coupons. I believe we are very good with our money. I did have a PT job when my DH got out of work but I was downsized due to the economy. I would watch a little person or so but right now there is no one around me that I can watch!

Vacations are the only thing I/we splurge on. We NEVER go in debt on our vacations - cash only! It was a girls only very budget trip to WDW, and that was paid for with gift money from my dad that I had been saving for for years and with gift money for them. I know it is against Dave Ramsey, but I have lost a very close family member to me and I do still live life w/o regrets - meaning that I don't go into debt for vacations, but if something were to happen to my girls tomorrow - I wouldn't be wishing - I wish I would have paid off my student loans a year sooner. So, besides the student loans, we are doing very well.

Just looking at our student loans is so daunting/overwhelming - and I was just looking for some encouragement that it is possible! (also - they are totally up to date and still in good standing).

Sounds like you are already living within a tight budget so cutting extras isn't going to help you as much as I hoped. This limits your options to finding more income.

I would start looking into jobs you could do from home or getting another part time job in the evenings and weekends (both if you can manage it :thumbsup2).

Make sure you spread the word far and wide that you are interested in work. Ask everywhere you go, the grocery, the library, church, schools, friends' houses, etc., etc. If people don't know you are looking, they aren't going to tell you when new jobs come up.

Good Luck! I hope you find a position soon and can start attacking this debt. It will be such a load off your back. :yay:
 
Just looking at our student loans is so daunting/overwhelming - and I was just looking for some encouragement that it is possible! (also - they are totally up to date and still in good standing).

Your husband needs to consolidate his student loans and start paying on them. Since you are not working yet (the purpose of student loans), I would continue to defer yours out as long as you can because the interest is minimal. You would be suprised how much his payment will drop once consolidated.

Also, I agree with you that life is short and you are doing the right thing by staying at home with your kids. Work will always be there for you but your kids at this age will not. Sounds like a lot of people on here are jealous of you and regret missing out on their kids growing up (but hey, they have a nice house and cars).
 
I have been right where you are (minus the not working) and I remember feeling overwhelmed. We took advantage of forebearances for so long, it was terrible. Our payment amount per month seemed so high, I was scared to even think about it.

You will be able to find a balance that allows you to make your payments and still "have a life" even if you can't have it all.

Thank you - this is kind of where I am at right now!

I get it. If you are like us, your student loan debt is so large, that if you buckle down and cut everything you can, your kids will be grown by the time you do pay them off, and you certainly will regret never doing anything fun or taking a vacation with them. We can cancel our upcoming VERY BUDGET trip and pay an extra 2K on the student loans, but it would be like spitting in the ocean.

And if you haven't already, DON'T consolidate yours and DH's. I have yet to see any benefit in doing so, except the convenience of one payment. At least if you keep them separate, you have the benefit of knowing if something were to happen to one of you, the loans are forgiven. If you consolidate, and something were to happen to DH, you would still be on the hook for the joint debt.

This is totally where I am coming from. And thankfully no, we haven't consolidated our loans.


To do it all over - I wish I would have read Dave Ramsey when I was 18 and understood what the heck he was talking about. I was the first child in my family to graduate college and none of us knew anything. Student loans was the only way for me to go. Now I tell my nephew there is NO WAY he should take out any loans - to stay at home and go to the local community college so he doesn't have to. If only we knew then what we knew now....
 
To do it all over - I wish I would have read Dave Ramsey when I was 18 and understood what the heck he was talking about. I was the first child in my family to graduate college and none of us knew anything. Student loans was the only way for me to go. Now I tell my nephew there is NO WAY he should take out any loans - to stay at home and go to the local community college so he doesn't have to. If only we knew then what we knew now....
You're not alone. I really wish that there had been better counseling for kids who took out massive student loans. At least you have to read about the debt obligations and answer questions about it now in order for your loan funds to be disbursed. Even so, most kids are so unaware of how suffocating the repayment can be.

In a blink of an eye, your eldest is going to be ready for college. I know that you will want to do everything that you can to make that dream a reality. Getting out from under your own student debt will enable you to help her with tuition costs.

The people on this thread who are telling you to find work are not being jealous or bitter. They are the voices of experience speaking to a younger generation that didn't experience the high unemployment, gasoline lines and rampant inflation of the '80s. Those of us who were young college graduates, newly married and facing student debts with no job prospects know what they're talking about.
 
Also, I agree with you that life is short and you are doing the right thing by staying at home with your kids. Work will always be there for you but your kids at this age will not. Sounds like a lot of people on here are jealous of you and regret missing out on their kids growing up (but hey, they have a nice house and cars).

I don't think anyone on here is jealous of the OP because she is a SAHM. Everyone has different priorities. The OP needs to figure out what hers are. SAH, vacations, or paying off students loans. Maybe some combination of it.

To do it all over - I wish I would have read Dave Ramsey when I was 18 and understood what the heck he was talking about. I was the first child in my family to graduate college and none of us knew anything. Student loans was the only way for me to go. Now I tell my nephew there is NO WAY he should take out any loans - to stay at home and go to the local community college so he doesn't have to. If only we knew then what we knew now....

Student loans are not a bad thing unless you make them a bad thing. I'm sorry, but you are not going to get the same education from a community college as you are at other 4 year colleges. A lot of community college credits DO NOT transfer over (I've seen this happen to many friends) so the whole 2 year from a community college and then transferring to a 4 year school doesn't always work out that.

You should tell your nephew not to take out loans if he doesn't plan on making paying them back a priority in his life. Just because SAH and going on vacations is more important to you then paying back your student loans doesn't mean its that way for everyone.

You just seem to have a lot of excuses as to why you can't pay them back.
 
You might want to look into income-based/income-sensitive repayment through your lender. I'm currently on an income-based repayment plan - which is a lifesaver, because without it, my monthly payments would be more than my rent. I'm not sure whether that makes long-term financial sense, though, because I do work in a field where my loans will be forgiven after 10 years of work in that field, so you should probably get more opinions on whether this is the best thing for you in the long run.

Good luck!

This seems like an excellent suggestion if it is an option for you. True, it wouldn't probably allow you to make huge progress on the debt, but at least you'd be making some headway. Then perhaps later when your kids are older and working full-time becomes a more viable option, you would have the opportunity to increase your payments and knock out the rest of the debt. If you are putting at least something toward it, it might help you alleviate some of the stress and worry that you are experiencing about it too.
 
Student loans are not a bad thing unless you make them a bad thing. I'm sorry, but you are not going to get the same education from a community college as you are at other 4 year colleges. A lot of community college credits DO NOT transfer over (I've seen this happen to many friends) so the whole 2 year from a community college and then transferring to a 4 year school doesn't always work out that.

I respectfully disagree. There are several community colleges in my area that have paired with 4 year colleges to ensure that credits transfer over. You don't HAVE to incur significant debt to get a 4 year degree.
 
You have several options depending on the type of loans.

First I would not consolidate any of the loans. It doesn't do much for you other than forcing you to deal with 1 single payment vs multiple payments. When I finally got out of school I had I think 7 different student loans... I liked the fact that I could easily focus on one of the 7 and put any extra money onto it when I could so that over time I would cut out one loan completely... it gave me more of a feeling of yes, getting closer. If you consolidate that wont happen.

Second, are any of your loans government backed where the interest is paid by the government while you are in school... if so then consider taking some part time classes so that you can defer those loans while working on the others... If you live near a junior college you can sometimes find that paying for 2 classes a semester is cheaper than paying student loans.

Third pay off the one with the highest interest rate first... again that is a reason not to consolidate. If you consolidate you will have the interest rates averaged out and you can't work them the same as when they are separate.

Lastly, don't just stop paying them if you can't afford to pay... contact the lender, try for a forbearance or try to get them to work with you, never just stop paying it will kill your credit rating and that will cost you even more going forward.... also remember that you can't walk away from student loans by going bankrupt like you used to, unless you've been paying on the loans for a specific number of years before filing for bankruptcy, the loans will stick to you like glue.
 
You have several options depending on the type of loans.

First I would not consolidate any of the loans.

Don't you people realize that not everyone is making 6 figures and they can't realistically pay their debts off like crazy Dave wants them to. To tell this young family not to look into consolidating their student loans to a lower payment and more than likely a lower interest rate is not good advice (however, that is good advice about attending classes to keep the deferred interest paid by the gov't). Even Suze Orman states that you need to look into consolidation: http://www.oprah.com/money/Suze-Ormans-Advice-for-Consolidating-Student-Loans
 
Student loans are forgiven in the event of the student's death.

But I agree with the sentiment. Living life with no regrets also means find a balance between obligations and desires. You can be just as regretful over not taking care of your debts as you can be for not taking the time to enjoy your time here.

I thought both the OP and her spouse both have student loans. Even if one was forgiven the other would not be and then you would have less loan but probably a larger debt to income ratio.

Denise in MI
 
I thought both the OP and her spouse both have student loans. Even if one was forgiven the other would not be and then you would have less loan but probably a larger debt to income ratio.

Denise in MI
Only one of them is earning a paycheck right now.
 
Don't you people realize that not everyone is making 6 figures and they can't realistically pay their debts off like crazy Dave wants them to. To tell this young family not to look into consolidating their student loans to a lower payment and more than likely a lower interest rate is not good advice (however, that is good advice about attending classes to keep the deferred interest paid by the gov't). Even Suze Orman states that you need to look into consolidation: http://www.oprah.com/money/Suze-Ormans-Advice-for-Consolidating-Student-Loans

I think you're thinking of a different consolidation. Posters are advising the OP not to consolidate her loans with her DH's. There's good reason for that--in the event of a death of either spouse, the loan would have to be paid in full by the surviving spouse. In fact, it may no longer be an option to consolidate spousal loans.

But I totally agree with you that some of the posters don't realize that salaries are low and student loan payments are high--an imbalance that didn't exist in the past. OP, I totally get taking a budget trip to Disney World even though you have a student loan balance. If your loans are anything like mine and DH's, your kids wouldn't go until they were in their late 20's if we paid them off before going on anything other than a "staycation." :lmao:

I would suggest the income-based repayment plan. It's based on your salary (or lack thereof) and your family size. It greatly decreased our monthly amount after I lost my job and our DS was born.
 












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