Our 4th FP+ of the day...

[ibela]

I would think that some of those that have loved FP+ from the start would be up in arms about even a hint of this happening. After all, wasn't one of the reasons there needed to be changes in the way they were given out was because of super users getting more than one paper FP for the same ride and keeping another guest from even getting one?

I'm missing the connection of holding FP back and allowing people to ride more than once. The OP scheduled a FP @ 4pm with a 7pm return time. Figure most people are already in the park by 4pm, if they don't want to ride TSM and would rather FP other things, and there's available slots lots, why shouldn't people repeat rides if that's how they choose to allocate their FP+ selections? Others had the same opportunity to get the FP for TSM but chose not to, it's still all "fair" since everyone starts at the same point.

ETA a disclaimer: I was at WDW last August and was not a pilot user so still used paper FP. This upcoming Aug will be our first time using the FP+ system so until I try it, I remain neutral.

 

[mom2rtk]

How?

So is your contention that it is "fair" that someone logs on a week before their trip only to find no availability for something, if Disney holds some back, then releases them over the course of the day so that somebody who had a prebooked spot could get a second spot, while the other person never got one at all?

 

[surferdave]

So is your contention that it is "fair" that someone logs on a week before their trip only to find no availability for something, if Disney holds some back, then releases them over the course of the day so that somebody who had a prebooked spot could get a second spot, while the other person never got one at all?

He's contending (in his previous post) that they are not holding them back, but rather that the OP obtained one from some other pool (presumably someone else canceling).

 

[OtherScott]

So is your contention that it is "fair" that someone logs on a week before their trip only to find no availability for something, if Disney holds some back, then releases them over the course of the day so that somebody who had a prebooked spot could get a second spot, while the other person never got one at all?

No, I would not consider that fair based on the bolded portion. Having seen no evidence, I wouldn't consider anything put to rest.

 

[mom2rtk]

I'm missing the connection of holding FP back and allowing people to ride more than once. The OP scheduled a FP @ 4pm with a 7pm return time. Figure most people are already in the park by 4pm, if they don't want to ride TSM and would rather FP other things, and there's available slots lots, why shouldn't people repeat rides if that's how they choose to allocate their FP+ selections? Others had the same opportunity to get the FP for TSM but chose not to, it's still all "fair" since everyone starts at the same point.

ETA a disclaimer: I was at WDW last August and was not a pilot user so still used paper FP. This upcoming Aug will be our first time using the FP+ system so until I try it, I remain neutral.

Holding back implies that the original pool was limited and for rides like TSMM some people probably tried to book and came away unsuccessful. The only people lucky enough to get a second spot are the ones who stumbled across it. It's not like Disney says "We will release more at 1, then again at 3". You have to either stay glued to your phone all day, or luck into it.

It's nothing more than FP roulette.

 

[OtherScott]

He's contending (in his previous post) that they are not holding them back, but rather that the OP obtained one from some other pool (presumably someone else canceling).

Yes, or party size (OP only had 3)

 

[mom2rtk]

Yes, or party size (OP only had 3)

Sorry I misunderstood. That's certainly still a possibility. And I hope you are right.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I'm missing the connection of holding FP back and allowing people to ride more than once. The OP scheduled a FP @ 4pm with a 7pm return time. Figure most people are already in the park by 4pm, if they don't want to ride TSM and would rather FP other things, and there's available slots lots, why shouldn't people repeat rides if that's how they choose to allocate their FP+ selections? Others had the same opportunity to get the FP for TSM but chose not to, it's still all "fair" since everyone starts at the same point.

ETA a disclaimer: I was at WDW last August and was not a pilot user so still used paper FP. This upcoming Aug will be our first time using the FP+ system so until I try it, I remain neutral.

The act of Disney holding FP+s back, if they are, is that is isn't a first come, first serve system. First come, first serve is the most fair way. If the new system is so great, throw all the FP+s out there and let the chips fall where they may!

 

[mom2rtk]

The act of Disney holding FP+s back, if they are, is that is isn't a first come, first serve system. First come, first serve is the most fair way. If the new system is go great, throw all the FP+s out there and let the chips fall where they may!

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

He's contending (in his previous post) that they are not holding them back, but rather that the OP obtained one from some other pool (presumably someone else canceling).

Yes, or party size (OP only had 3)

And we will never really know....

 

[jade1]

So is your contention that it is "fair" that someone logs on a week before their trip only to find no availability for something, if Disney holds some back, then releases them over the course of the day so that somebody who had a prebooked spot could get a second spot, while the other person never got one at all?

HaHA the system is 60 days and 30-now somebody waited until a week before and found no availability.

But before if you snooze you loose, arrive too late for FP- and it was your own fault. What happened to your first come first served argument? And that's if they are even really doing this.

At least now they have even a 2nd chance- day of, maybe the night before even. Plus they most likely still got other headliners.

Again-as stated multiple times, the seasons will obviously make a difference in this-but at a minimum the slow season looks pretty workable, and the busier season obviously will be less successful.

Most headliners were short waits all morning today, a lot of folks that travel slow season should be feeling pretty good about it I would think.

 

[magicbob]

The act of Disney holding FP+s back, if they are, is that is isn't a first come, first serve system. First come, first serve is the most fair way. If the new system is so great, throw all the FP+s out there and let the chips fall where they may!

Which would essentially turn it into what many have hoped for... an electronic version of FP with all of the benefits of not having to cross the park to check times/pull tickets coupled with the first come/first-served rules of the legacy FP system. I don't see that happening though. I think the "get more after you've used the ones you've got" is the closest we're going to see to that.

 

[mom2rtk]

HaHA the system is 60 days and 30-now somebody waited until a week before and found no availability.

But before if you snooze you loose, arrive too late for FP- and it was your own fault. What happened to your first come first served argument?

At least now they have even a 2nd chance- day of, maybe the night before even. Plus they most likely still got other headliners.

Again-as stated multiple times, the seasons will obviously make a difference in this-but at a minimum the slow season looks pretty workable, and the busier season obviously will be less successful.

Most headliners were short waits all morning today, all lot of folks that travel slow season should be feeling pretty good about it I would think.

I am still, and always have been, a "first come, first served" supporter. How is someone lucking into a slot day of considered "first come" over someone who tried and was shut out more than a week earlier?

 

[OtherScott]

The act of Disney holding FP+s back, if they are, is that is isn't a first come, first serve system. First come, first serve is the most fair way. If the new system is go great, throw all the FP+s out there and let the chips fall where they may!

Here's the problem with the theory that Disney would hold back FPs:

FPs have a shelf-life of exactly 1 day, and they have a value that is not transferable to any other exchange of goods/services between Disney and their guests.

Translation: Use it or lose it.

Worst case scenario for Disney is they have to turn off the lights of at night holding a large number of unused FPs because HAL miscalculated how many to hold back.

 

[wisblue]

So is your contention that it is "fair" that someone logs on a week before their trip only to find no availability for something, if Disney holds some back, then releases them over the course of the day so that somebody who had a prebooked spot could get a second spot, while the other person never got one at all?

I have never liked the "fairness" debate because I don't think it's relevant. Fair is whatever Disney says it is. But, using the logic of the folks that have argued that paper FP was the ultimate "fair" system, FP+ is just as fair.

The argument has been that everyone who arrived at the park had an equal shot at FPs, and if someone didn't do their research and arrive at the park early that was their tough luck.

FP+ is just as fair because anyone can choose to book at a Disney resort, buy tickets in advance, and make FP+ reservations 60 days out. If you aren't willing to do those things, you have to accept that your selection of FPs will be reduced. Just like someone who arrived at the park later had less of a shot at FPs.

Both systems set a starting point for "fairness", the starting points are just different.

 

[OtherScott]

And we will never really know....

So assume they are? Despite it making no financial sense?

I just don't see it.

 

[OtherScott]

I have never liked the "fairness" debate because I don't think it's relevant. Fair is whatever Disney says it is. But, using the logic of the folks that have argued that paper FP was the ultimate "fair" system, FP+ is just as fair.

The argument has been that everyone who arrived at the park had an equal shot at FPs, and if someone didn't do their research and arrive at the park early that was their tough luck.

FP+ is just as fair because anyone can choose to book at a Disney resort, buy tickets in advance, and make FP+ reservations 60 days out. If you aren't willing to do those things, you have to accept that your selection of FPs will be reduced. Just like someone who arrived at the park later had less of a shot at FPs.

Both systems set a starting point for "fairness", the starting points are just different.

Wouldn't abject fairness be no FP at all? First to the ride = first to ride?

 

[mom2rtk]

I have never liked the "fairness" debate because I don't think it's relevant. Fair is whatever Disney says it is. But, using the logic of the folks that have argued that paper FP was the ultimate "fair" system, FP+ is just as fair.

The argument has been that everyone who arrived at the park had an equal shot at FPs, and if someone didn't do their research and arrive at the park early that was their tough luck.

FP+ is just as fair because anyone can choose to book at a Disney resort, buy tickets in advance, and make FP+ reservations 60 days out. If you aren't willing to do those things, you have to accept that your selection of FPs will be reduced. Just like someone who arrived at the park later had less of a shot at FPs.

Both systems set a starting point for "fairness", the starting points are just different.

A different "starting point for fairness"?

So if they were releasing FPs throughout the day yesterday, help me understand...... where was the starting point?

 

[rastuso]

Traditional FP did NOT give me the option of going to AK and riding EE, Dinosaur, and the Safari, then waltzing into DHS with a FP for TSMM and 2 other attractions. As evidenced below, I could do that TOMORROW! Traditional FP didn't let me do that. I have experienced this. Most of the FP+ detractors have not. *My thoughts come from that experience, not propaganda. I assume your opposition to it come from experience also, right?

And tomorrow is April 30th, a Wednesday. Probably about as light of a day as possible. Going to AK in the morning, then HS later and riding RnRC and ToT on a light crowd day is absolutley, positively, normal.

Again, ONLY the TSMM FP+ is different. How many times is that going to be used as an example? I mean really, is everyone willing to lose 3-4 FPs a day, all so you get a TSMM FP+ without being there at RD?

-J

 

[jade1]

I am still, and always have been, a "first come, first served" supporter. How is someone lucking into a slot day of considered "first come" over someone who tried and was shut out more than a week earlier?

"If" they are even doing this, they snoozed and lost at 60 and 30 days-that was virtual rope drop. It's equating to arriving at 7PM and thinking they will get a TSM FP-

"If" they are doing this-"day of" is when they check the app to make the change to what they missed.

"If" it's hit or miss because someone cancelled a FP+ for TSM-then it is first come first serve when those became free.