Our 4th FP+ of the day...

[DisneyHolidayFan]

http://www.easywdw.com/news/disney-...tions-beginning-monday-april-28th/#more-13339

Here

Thanks for the info!!!

 

[MAGICFOR2]

I have to admit I was one of the worst complainers when this was first announced, but I have realized the possibilities and I'm ready to move forward and learn to adjust. I think there will be days when we can just sleep in and know that we can still have some of our rides. With FP- during heavy crowds, you could not roll in late an expect to get a FP for any headliners. I'm excited about these new changes - I think it is a great concession on Disney's part!

 

[clsteve]

The Kiosk would heckle people while they try to book!

Kiosk: "You're picking Captian EO for your 4th FP....?!?! Hey look everybody, THEY'RE PICKING CAPTAIN EO!!!! HAHAHAHAHA....."

 

[DisneyHolidayFan]

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2014/04/mymagic-adding-even-more-magic-to-fastpass/

Great info - thanks!!!

 

[EPCOTatNight]

I have to admit I was one of the worst complainers when this was first announced, but I have realized the possibilities and I'm ready to move forward and learn to adjust. I think there will be days when we can just sleep in and know that we can still have some of our rides. With FP- during heavy crowds, you could not roll in late an expect to get a FP for any headliners. I'm excited about these new changes - I think it is a great concession on Disney's part!

Thank you for being open minded and willing to adjust. You are a rare breed. The ability to sleep late is a huge plus, even though I didn't do it. During my trip last month, I spent the least amount of time in the parks than ever before, yet I still rode all headliners. A typical day for us was 1. Hit rope drop for park A, do headliners, and wander around for a little while. Then, we would leave around noon. 2. Go to resort and enjoy the amenities there. 3. Around 5:30, go to park B and use FP+ for 3 attractions and tour the park as we saw fit. For me, this was the most relaxing trip to WDW I'd had.

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[magicbob]

Well, it looks like the Debbies and Nancys have arrived to try and turn a great change in FP+ into something bad. Thanks for your predictable contributions.

Surely someone can make an observation that FP+ still has a ways to go without being a "Debbie" or a "Nancy" (not even going to go there) trying to turn something great into something bad.

"And stop calling me Shirley."

I think the ability to get more than 3 FPs is a change for the better. No doubt about it. But that doesn't make it a panacea. There are still facets of how it's being implemented that can be disected and analyzed. For example, the mystery over whether addition of more FPs are being staggered throughout the day or all being added that morning. The answers to those questions have a huge impact on how we will interact with this system. I don't think it's being "negative" to be curious (or even critical) about the inner workings of the system. I can point out what I perceive as flaws and still recognize that there are positive facets. Some people seem to think anything less than saying "FP+ is perfect in every way" (notice I omitted the word "practically") is akin to hate speech.

>3 FP+ = better than only 3

But inquiring minds want to know if the method of getting there means that we might not be able to get our first choice between T-60 and D-Day because they are being held back. And if we use our three FPs early to get a jump on the 4th, will we be able to get something we want or, if additions are staggered throughout the day, would it be better to schedule a little later in order to time it when more of those choice selections are added?

There is a middle ground between blind faith that all will be fabulous and total negativity. I think that happy medium is healthy skepticism... putting the system under a microscope and discussing what's there (warts and all) with the goal of identifying ways it can continue to improve. What some call "naysaying" I call intellectual curiosity.

 

[sunb75]

Thank you for being open minded and willing to adjust. You are a rare breed. The ability to sleep late is a huge plus, even though I didn't do it. During my trip last month, I spent the least amount of time in the parks than ever before, yet I still rode all headliners. A typical day for us was 1. Hit rope drop for park A, do headliners, and wander around for a little while. Then, we would leave around noon. 2. Go to resort and enjoy the amenities there. 3. Around 5:30, go to park B and use FP+ for 3 attractions and tour the park as we saw fit. For me, this was the most relaxing trip to WDW I'd had. Sent from my IPad using DisBoards.

I'm so glad you posted this! What you did was what I was planning for our upcoming trip. I haven't made FP yet, but I was hoping for later ones.

 

[pepe of ohio]

Thank you for being open minded and willing to adjust. You are a rare breed. The ability to sleep late is a huge plus, even though I didn't do it. During my trip last month, I spent the least amount of time in the parks than ever before, yet I still rode all headliners. A typical day for us was 1. Hit rope drop for park A, do headliners, and wander around for a little while. Then, we would leave around noon. 2. Go to resort and enjoy the amenities there. 3. Around 5:30, go to park B and use FP+ for 3 attractions and tour the park as we saw fit. For me, this was the most relaxing trip to WDW I'd had. Sent from my IPad using DisBoards.

This is how are trips are usually run... No rush, no schedule, I don't sleep in at home ( usually awake around 5am naturally) and enjoy getting up the same in WDW to see the resort come to life, casual breakfast and off for rope drop...and out by noon....we enjoy the resort and pool immensely....

 

[lugnut33]

No no, I am sure TheHub is correct and they are holding for day of ... the proposition made was that they were releasing them throughout the day, not just at park opening.

I know, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to think Disney might be releasing some during the day also, especially since they know we are watching. It might not always be the case going forward, but I have a feeling this totally rare occurrence of TSMM fastpasses is just that, totally rare and contrived by Disney.

Please understand though I'm not bagging on it, I'm just saying.

I think FP+ has come a long way since back in Nov. and Feb. when I used it. I still don't like it as much as FP-, but I will adapt and survive.

 

[magicbob]

I know, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to think Disney might be releasing some during the day also, especially since they know we are watching. It might not always be the case going forward, but I have a feeling this totally rare occurrence of TSMM fastpasses is just that, totally rare and contrived by Disney.

Please understand though I'm not bagging on it, I'm just saying.

I think FP+ has come a long way since back in Nov. and Feb. when I used it. I still don't like it as much as FP-, but I will adapt and survive.

Now that would be really devious! Temporarily holding back TSMM FPs for later in the day in order to "cook the books" on the day they announce this change and make everyone on the DIS get on board with the system. After all, if you can now get a FP+ for TSMM at 4pm, that should be proof for any deny-ers that FP+ is fabulous.

 

[wisblue]

What I could see going on is something similar to what you see when you purchase tickets for concerts or sporting events online. On sites like Ticketmaster, when you request tickets, they are held for you for a certain amount of time while you complete the transaction or click the button to release the seats.

With FP+, if a guest requests a FP for a certain attraction, a number of slots may be "held" while the guest chooses whether or not to accept one of the times offered. If the guest cancels, those slots are returned to the pool. or, if the guest chooses one option, the slots in the other options are returned. Slots can also become available as guests make changes to their reservations.

If that is how the system is working, it can't be too surprising that there is a "luck of the draw" element when the FPs for an attraction are nearly gone for the day. It is also possible that Disney adds additional passes to the pool on a regular basis as they evaluate the park crowds and how many no shows there have been at an attraction over the last couple of hours.

I guess it is up to individual guests to decide how much this upsets them. If you have spent the day at DHS and are dying for one more ride on TSMM, you can decide for yourself if you want to spend an hour with your face in a smartphone trying to get a FP, or just be happy with what you are able to do instead of getting upset about what you can't do. At some point, I would rather get into a 60 minute standby line and relax than to drive myself crazy for an hour hoping for that precious FP to become available. That would be more stressful to me than waiting in line. And, if I'm not willing to wait in the line, then doing that ride isn't really that important to me.

 

[buggy2727]

Kiosk: "You're picking Captian EO for your 4th FP....?!?! Hey look everybody, THEY'RE PICKING CAPTAIN EO!!!! HAHAHAHAHA....."

Hey I take offense to that, I like Captain EO

That's pretty funny... Or it would do like the Disney store online, it shows you an item, lets you pick a size and then when you add it to your cart it says, Oh Phooey, out of stock... "psych!"

 

[rastuso]

I must agree, one of the FIRST posts made by someone AT THE PARK, using the 4th FP+ was "I got TSMM". This seems awfully suspicious.

C'mon, everyone realizes this will NOT be the norm, right? How can someone honestly think the most sought after FP at WDW is something you should expect to get as your 4th "bonus" one?

And this just means someone else, earlier in the day, was denied that FP+. And don't start the ridiculous "it was unused" argument. If a FP goes unused, as soon as its window is gone, it can't be added back in without throwing the ratios off, and making SB even longer.

All this FP+ tomfoolery just proves how powerful propaganda is, and how many poeple really do bathe in the Magic Kool-Aid.

As a review:

FP+ is announced, everyone says "WONDERFUL, I can now sleep in, and still get 3 FP+, including TSMM!" There were 1.6 million posts saying how FP+ is perfect, and they will simply schedule all their FP+ in the evening, and RD to get all that short SB goodness.

Now, FP+ #4 is added, and everyone says "WONDERFUL, I can now get my FP+ early,so I can get even MORE FP+. Who knows, I may even get TSMM!"

Meanwhile, legacy FP was STILL clearly the better system for those who wanted lots of rides, and that fact will never change, since FP+ was invented to limit everyone's E-ticket rides.

To think otherwise is to simply deny facts. You can LIKE being limited by FP+, with the payoff of sleeping in and still being able to play a Wii game for 2 minutes. But to say "FP+ is better" is only true for the (likely small) group of people who are going to WDW and really aren't focused on E tickets. And of course those who were simply ignorant of FP-.

-Jason

 

[wisblue]

Now that would be really devious! Temporarily holding back TSMM FPs for later in the day in order to "cook the books" on the day they announce this change and make everyone on the DIS get on board with the system. After all, if you can now get a FP+ for TSMM at 4pm, that should be proof for any deny-ers that FP+ is fabulous.

I can tell you that, during the week before Easter, two of my daughters were at WDW and had evening FPs for Epcot. Because of threatening weather in the area, they went from DAK (where they had done all of the major rides and other attractions before noon by attending a 7 AM EMH) to Epcot early in the afternoon and then got a bus to their resort (Pop) when heavy thunderstorms were imminent.

One of them sent me a message from the resort asking if I could look to see I could change their Epcot FPs to DHS in case they decided to go there after the storms went through. They knew that I would enjoy looking it up, and also thought our home internet would be more reliable than the resort wifi. At about 5 PM EDT, on my home PC, I was able to get them FPs for DHS including something for TSMM opening at about 7:50. I could not change that reservation to any other time. So, the girls capped their busy day by going to the American Idol finale, using their TSMM FP, and then riding TOT standby and RNRC (single rider) about the time that Fantasmic was starting. They told me that TOT had a posted wait time of something like 20-30 minutes but, in fact, they walked right through the hotel grounds and lobby and into the library for the preshow. In other words, a FP at that time would have saved them nothing, the posted wait time notwithstanding.

So, TSMM FPs being available during the late afternoon is not unprecedented and not unique to yesterday. But, while you might be able to get FPs for TSMM at that time, I wouldn't base my plans on it.

 

[DavidNYC]

I can almost guarantee that releases of FP+ during the day is not a set number and set time but is controlled by a computer using an algorithm which takes into account a variety of factors which are tracked throughout the day. We know many of the things Disney computers can do based on crowds and location, no way are they not using it for this as well. Won't be same every day.

 

[EEPETEZ]

We have been to wdw the week after Labor Day for the last 3 years, one if THE slowest times of the year. I only go to HS on a recommended day and I have never seen TSMM available after 1pm. I know this because my husband was our TSMM FP stalker. He would not ride, just get us another FP absolutely as soon as it was available. We could usually get one FP as soon as the park opened and one more after that. I really want to know where the extra capacity has come from. It sounds like to me that FP+, might be the "new" stand-by. I love that you would be able to get at FP in the afternoon, but just skeptical about how it works.

As I'm typing, I guess it may be that you can no longer have a FP stalker. Therefore people like me are not taking them as soon as they are available? I know in the past, it seemed like very few people would be able to get a 2nd TSMM FP, you had to be willing to give up something else (for my husband, that was actually riding TSMM).

 

[FLchick415]

I don't think anybody is EXPECTING a 4th FP for TSMM to be the norm. And as far as being "limited" by FP+...hardly. I was at MK on Sunday (which was the only non-recommended park per EasyWDW) and I managed to ride everything I wanted to, some things more than once. I didn't do rope drop, because I was at AK in the morning. There was EMH until 1am, but I only stayed until 11:30. To me, it was very crowded (compared to what I'm used to), so I don't know if I was just lucky or what.

 

[chapie1968]

There is no doubt in my mind that the late availability of these FP's, especially TSM is a devious planned move by Disney to make this system seem better than it is.


C'mon, use your common sense people. For the past 6-12 months these FP's for these attractions are gone on a daily basis before noon. Suddenly on the FIRST day of the new roll out people are pulling FP's for the most difficult FP at 4 and 5 PM.

uh DUH, Open up your eyes. If you think this is real I have some Jersey Swampland to sell you.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

it's called luck with empty parks. Try it during peak times.

FP+ is garbage

Call me skeptical also. I've never been there when all FP were gone by Noon on TSMM.

Suddenly availability at 4PM?

Glad FP+ gave you an extra ride. That was not our experience.

 

[wisblue]

I must agree, one of the FIRST posts made by someone AT THE PARK, using the 4th FP+ was "I got TSMM". This seems awfully suspicious.

C'mon, everyone realizes this will NOT be the norm, right? How can someone honestly think the most sought after FP at WDW is something you should expect to get as your 4th "bonus" one?

And this just means someone else, earlier in the day, was denied that FP+. And don't start the ridiculous "it was unused" argument. If a FP goes unused, as soon as its window is gone, it can't be added back in without throwing the ratios off, and making SB even longer.

All this FP+ tomfoolery just proves how powerful propaganda is, and how many poeple really do bathe in the Magic Kool-Aid.

-Jason

You do realize that there is just as much tomfoolery coming from "Those Who Believe That FP+ Is A Less Than Optimal Ride Distribution System".

All it takes is for someone to post a picture or video of a line of 100 people taking two minutes to get past FP+ scanners, and the detractors are proclaiming these "insanely long lines" as the new norm that prove that FP+ is a massive failure.

There are a lot of people who have explained why they like FP+ even though they don't like to sleep in at WDW, knew exactly how paper FP worked, and enjoy riding the major attractions. There are also a lot of people who have said countless times why they preferred the paper FP system that is never coming back. We understand that you are in the latter group. Some of the members of that group are moving on and trying to determine how they can adapt their touring styles to make the best use of the system as it currently exists.

If you aren't able to move on, fine. But, don't insult people who like the FP+ system by suggesting that they are some combination of lazy, ignorant, or Kool Aid drinkers.