Oh me, oh my-does baby Suri really exist???update now aka "The Suri Challenge"

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i'm shocked this didn't win an emmy, golden globe or an oscar

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_cThdJ0mYbo

the acting is just soooooooooo, words can't describe how wonderful it is.

did this movie even attempt to make it in the theatre or was it straight to garbage production?
 
Looking at the above picture of Suri - I believe that she has Katie's eyes:

http://www.bartcop.com/katie-holmes-comes-third.jpg

I did think that maybe Josh was the father based upon a picture taken of Suri when she was younger but I don't think that any longer... I think she now looks too much like Chris.

What is the timeline with Chris? When did he and Katie officially break-up?

Does a timeline work to where she could have just discovered that she was pregnant around the time that she was brought in for the “interview” with Tom and, feeling scared at the idea of being an unwed mother (especially since she known for being very religious and not having pre-marital sex – it would have probably been her worst nightmare to face the public pregnant and unwed), agreeing to go along with Tom and the church. I know that she was pregnant and had Suri before the wedding - but at least she now had the "father" in the picture the entire time.

I’m a novice on this stuff – I need all you experts to tell me if that scenario is plausible or if it’s as realistic as L. Ron Hubbard’s doctrine.
 

Reading for today...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a87560/holmes-pregnant-before-meeting-cruise.html

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/40174/katie-holmes-ex-she-was-pregnant-when-we-split

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/article.asp?id=40150

Interestingly, there were three links to the "Katie was pregnant" - two from UK sourses and one from a US source AHN (the UK links are above) - the teaser for the AHN one is below. Attempts to access the AHN story return an error "Article not found. Please check the article id and try again."

Katie Holmes Pregnant Even Before She Met Tom Cruise, Source Says
AHN - 20 hours ago
Los Angeles, CA (CNS) - A "friend" of Chris Klein, Katie Holmes' former fiancé reveals to a tabloid the actress was pregnant when she split with Klein and ...
 
i'm shocked this didn't win an emmy, golden globe or an oscar

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_cThdJ0mYbo

the acting is just soooooooooo, words can't describe how wonderful it is.

did this movie even attempt to make it in the theatre or was it straight to garbage production?


Yep, it's the movie I was remembering. With the weird nose things. It was bad. Allegedly. No....really. I'll stand by that statement. So sue me.
 
I think I may have found what the article claims. Check this out:

Dramarama page



Edited to add this quote from the bottom of this page, because I thought it was funny, too:

I went and read the article very quickly while shopping (I didn't want to waste my money buying the whole magazine) but basically what was posted is what it said.

A freind of Chris Kline said that right after they broke up he was having dinner with him and Chris blurted the news that she was pregnant. Very soon after Katie flew off to LA and hooked up with Tommy boy. The Enquirer claims that the friend passed a lie detector test when questioned about his story. The friend also stated that he didn't ask Chris any questions about what was going on because he thought it was too personal.
 
I went and read the article very quickly while shopping (I didn't want to waste my money buying the whole magazine) but basically what was posted is what it said.

A freind of Chris Kline said that right after they broke up he was having dinner with him and Chris blurted the news that she was pregnant. Very soon after Katie flew off to LA and hooked up with Tommy boy. The Enquirer claims that the friend passed a lie detector test when questioned about his story. The friend also stated that he didn't ask Chris any questions about what was going on because he thought it was too personal.

So now the question is, what do they (the "church") have on Chris that he backed right off? I realize it sounds like he had backed off before Tom came into the picture, but with all the news & speculation, how could he NOT say something now?

As a mom, I can't imagine not claiming my child. But I guess that's a possibility: he just doesn't care?
 
all i can say is damm that girls moves fast.

"According to The Inquirer, the actress was expecting a baby with ex-boyfriend Chris Klein when they split in March 2005.

She is believed to have flown to Los Angeles to read for a film role with Cruise a month later. They were engaged in June and Holmes announced that she was pregnant with daughter Suri in October. "

even if the baby is tom's she was conceived in July. if they met in April got engaged 2 months later in June and quickly conceived that baby in July she's one quick girl.

and i also read somewhere last night (one of those links) that said before katie met tom she was known for being a "good girl" that she didn't believe in premarital sex (wrong no matter who the father is) and that until she met tom cruise the tom she had always had a crush on was tom hanks not cruise - then after they met the last name changed to cruise and she never mentioned hanks again.

all adding fuel to the fire.
 
So now the question is, what do they (the "church") have on Chris that he backed right off? I realize it sounds like he had backed off before Tom came into the picture, but with all the news & speculation, how could he NOT say something now?

As a mom, I can't imagine not claiming my child. But I guess that's a possibility: he just doesn't care?

If I remember some articles about him, he seemed like a big jerk in his thoughts on members of the oppsite sex.

all i can say is damm that girls moves fast.

"According to The Inquirer, the actress was expecting a baby with ex-boyfriend Chris Klein when they split in March 2005.

She is believed to have flown to Los Angeles to read for a film role with Cruise a month later. They were engaged in June and Holmes announced that she was pregnant with daughter Suri in October. "

even if the baby is tom's she was conceived in July. if they met in April got engaged 2 months later in June and quickly conceived that baby in July she's one quick girl.

and i also read somewhere last night (one of those links) that said before katie met tom she was known for being a "good girl" that she didn't believe in premarital sex (wrong no matter who the father is) and that until she met tom cruise the tom she had always had a crush on was tom hanks not cruise - then after they met the last name changed to cruise and she never mentioned hanks again.

all adding fuel to the fire.

Yeah, pretty quick. I find it hard to believe that someone who was with someone for 5 years and they *allegedly* did not have sex all of the sudden jumps into bed with someone she has known just a short time. Maybe it was the huge rock TC bought her that made that happen? ;)
 
Look at this picture of Katie, just look at her eyes!

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very interesting time line in photos

http://entertainment.ivillage.com/galleries/0,,9v59z68v,00.html

one thing that i do remember reading last night was that she ended her relationship with Chris at the beginning of April then told her best friends that she was flying out to do a test with Tom for the new Mission Impossible 3 film then disappeared for 16 days before emerging at the end of april with the part (though i must have missed it because i don't remember seeing her in the film), dating tom and no longer friends with her best friend that she' had all her life but instead announcing she was now bff with some Scio chick.

so putting my investigative hat on i'll deduce that it takes 16 days to either figure out what you can blackmail someone with or completely brain wash them.

edit to add: just looked up the cast for mission 3 and katie had no role in the film - so if she was brought there on the pretense of adution for a roll other than the role of tom's g/f she was totally lied to and sucked in. it's said that Cruise had "auditioned" Jessica Alba, Scarlett Johansson, Kate Bosworth and Jennifer Garner but all said no way wacko's and ran for their lives.

hope the money's worth your sole katie for going along with this sham.
 
Everyone who reads this thread has to go to Gawker and read all the new stuff they have esp the crazy letter from Leah Remini.

It seems as if Gawker has declared war on the "church" and the more it finds out about them,the deeper they dig.

There is so much new stuff on Gawker I can't even keep track of it all..:)

Enjoy

MsA
 
Okay, so I've been out of town for a week and have just spent several hours reading posts & articles from the last week. - Geez, I should be catching up on laundry but...

all i can say is damm that girls moves fast.

"According to The Inquirer, the actress was expecting a baby with ex-boyfriend Chris Klein when they split in March 2005.

She is believed to have flown to Los Angeles to read for a film role with Cruise a month later. They were engaged in June and Holmes announced that she was pregnant with daughter Suri in October. "

even if the baby is tom's she was conceived in July. if they met in April got engaged 2 months later in June and quickly conceived that baby in July she's one quick girl.

and i also read somewhere last night (one of those links) that said before katie met tom she was known for being a "good girl" that she didn't believe in premarital sex (wrong no matter who the father is) and that until she met tom cruise the tom she had always had a crush on was tom hanks not cruise - then after they met the last name changed to cruise and she never mentioned hanks again.

all adding fuel to the fire.

I have a feeling she stuck with her "didn't believe in premarital sex" line more because of her parents and not wanting to dissappoint them.

After reading all of the articles today I'm convinced more than ever they're nuts (eta allegedly). Now I've gotta find that Leah Remini letter. :surfweb:
 
oh ya - good luck reading that LOL

i had to pop some tylenol's only half way through
 
It's interesting that these rumors about Chris Klein are coming out now when he has a new TV show starting in a couple weeks. Good publicity don't you think?
 
speaking of publicity

"QUEEN LATIFAH has praised TOM CRUISE for adopting a low profile on the set of new movie MAD MONEY, in which she stars alongside the Hollywood superstar's wife KATIE HOLMES. Latifah was impressed that an actor/producer of Cruise's stature would respectfully keep his distance when he visited the set to play with his and Holmes' daughter Suri. Speaking to Parade.com's Celebrity Parade column, Latifah says, "The show goes on. Tom knows to keep out of the way. "He's a producer as well as an actor. He was just happy to be there, happy to have his baby girl there and give his wife some love. "It's the second movie I've done when Tom came to the set with a baby. When I did My Life with Nicole Kidman, they had just adopted Isabella, and he brought her to see mommy."



I love this line "Tom knows to keep out of the way. " too bad the sh!t hit the fan just as they weren't trying to promote the film. guess he doesn't really know how to stay out of the way for the sake of Katie's career.

looks like the movie is a total bomb - making about 6 mill the first weekend and falling off ever since.
 
Everyone who reads this thread has to go to Gawker and read all the new stuff they have esp the crazy letter from Leah Remini.

It seems as if Gawker has declared war on the "church" and the more it finds out about them,the deeper they dig.

There is so much new stuff on Gawker I can't even keep track of it all..:)

Enjoy

MsA

where is the letter?
 
where is the letter?

Here it is, in all it's glory!! :lmao:

Hi!

This is Leah Remini Writing you again. Some of you may know me from
the TV show "King of Queens", but what is more important is that I
am now OT V and at one point I was a very stalled Clear. A lot of
people helped me to get OT, and I decided I was going to turn around
and help every Clear make it to OT.

A couple of months ago, you received a letter from me about an event
I was holding to help people move who were stalled on the Bridge.
Obviously you did not come and for some reason, feel you are not
indeed a "stalled Clear". Let me start with the definition of
"stalled". Not that you are-but who knows? STALL: To slow down or
halt the progress of. (American Heritage Student Dictionary). If you
are not aggressively moving on your next step-your next "Gradechart
Action", you are stalled. Look at the Gradechart, it says: Clear-
Sunshine Rundown-Solo Course Part 1-OT Preparations and so on up the
chart. If you are not on your next step as per this chart, and are
not on a prerequisite for Solo, you are stalled-plain and simple.

If your C/S has CS ed you for the PTS SP course, or some other
needed action to get you rolling up the GRADECHART faster, then do
it, and do it fast. I have experience being a Stalled Clear. I was
the kind of gal who went on course MAYBE a period a day, only on
weekdays, and that was ONLY if I had the time. I felt I deserved a
special award for being there and they couldn't possibly ask for
more. I remember thinking and saying out loud, "I WILL NEVER be like
those idiots who wait 10 years to go OT!" 10 years later, I hadn't
moved. I mean I did everything else but move on to Solo One. I did
other courses, I got myself in to trouble, then needed some FPRD and
then I would finish that and it would be "my finances"... I would
hear people talk to me about other Clears and refer to them as
"stalled Clears" and I would be like "Yeah-they are totally stalled.
You guys should handle them." Never once did I think "I" was a
stalled Clear, because I was always doing something. Once my mother
told me I was stalled and I actually thought she was an idiot.
Really, I thought "Wow, she really should handle that." I also
thought she just didn't know me. My mom is OT VII and a Class VI.
She did know me and she was right. So, it is up to you now to be
honest with yourself and look at your own progress up the Bridge.

Do you ever wonder why you are not moving? No? Then that's an outpoint.
You are Clear, you are special, why have you not moved? Whatever the
reason, there is an answer and a solution. I don't care what it is:
you were not serviced right or fast enough, people don't get you,
you have other things going on that we don't get, you are helping
others, you are upset, you haven't been acked, your life is actually
going well, your life is not going well, there's no money there's no
time, if you were a millionaire you would do it no problem, you are
waiting for your 2D to make it, there's no urgency, you are not sure
if you have what it takes to be OT, you hated your auditor, you
don't like the parking situation...WHATEVER IT IS, IT IS STOPPING
YOU AND THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT!

Why am I telling you this and who the hell am I writing you? Do you
think that I have nothing better to do with my time than write you
letters and put on events? Do you think I make some sort of
commission off you? The answer is that I don't have better things to
do than to support my group and help when I can. Clears ARE my
group. And no- I don't make a dime. Does that make you wonder, "Why
the hell does she care?". Or... "Why does the Org care?" Well, when
you do your levels you too will care. Sept 11th (9/11) kicked me in
the ***.

I finally realized that all it takes is a few madmen to take us all
down. There I was, just running on my treadmill thinking life is
okay. I'm going on course every so often, (when I had time) and BAM!
Life has changed. I suddenly thought, "Oh my God, what if I'm stuck
in this condition again and I have to--what? Do it all over again?
Where would I go? What would I do? Would some secret Scientology
police come down and save me? Is there a secret back-up plan? I was
sure there was. But there isn't . All it would take is another
tragic event to happen again and we are all done. There will be no
planet for us to be stalled, or "just doing okay" on. There would be
nothing! The only plan is for you to move on up to OT as fast as you
can. That is the secret. Really. I am asking you to get it together.
You are in charge and responsible for what you do this lifetime. Not
being on course and not doing your next step is getting you where?
Play out the scenario-there you are being a Clear, being right about
whatever it is that is keeping you from being on course and doing
your next step. Years go by, you are making money, you have a nice
house and a nice car. You spent time with those friends you wanted
to hang out with, you cleaned out the garage, you traveled. You do
all the things that were keeping you from taking your next step.
Then what? Then you are going to move? I hate to say this but you
are lying to yourself. You need to move now, regardless of your
situation. Are you just going to keep in place what you have had
sitting there for lifetimes to come? Do you think we are just going
to be here forever? So I say knock off any critical thought right
now that you may have about me, the orgs, your FSM, your auditor,
anyone else, and contact us so we can help you. All you need to do
is just reach once and we can help. LRH was very clear on what we
need to do- obviously in some way you are out of agreement with
that. That again, is an outpoint, and we can help you with that.

You're waiting because of money? Or for your wife to do it first or
for you to strike it rich? It will not happen without your decision
to go up the levels. That is the truth. You owe it to yourself, your
family, and to mankind to move and move NOW.

In closing, this is not going to happen often. I am only doing this
again because some of you did not show. I hope to see you on
September 28th at 11:30am at the AOLA atrium for a second chance.
There will be brunch served, free of course! Do this for yourself-
just blow through whatever it is that is sitting there, and just
come. It's not going to kill you- I promise!

Much love,
Leah Remini

There is a lot of debate about whether or not this email is legit. As of right now, it doesn't look that way.

However, all of those videos going around and the new book on the little one has driven the site visit to Scientology.org to 10 times what they normally have. I hope they don't suck anyone else in.
 
i'm shocked this didn't win an emmy, golden globe or an oscar

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_cThdJ0mYbo

the acting is just soooooooooo, words can't describe how wonderful it is.

did this movie even attempt to make it in the theatre or was it straight to garbage production?

:rotfl2: sounds like Toms laugh in his latest video...what a wack job. Poor Suri :hug: can you just imagine her life as a teen :scared1: can we say brain washing. Tom will not let her know of anything but Scientology. She will be homeschooled and have no one allowed in her life unless they are from his church.

That is sooooo scary...and has Katie turned into scientology and is she becoming as radical as he? I never hear anything about her involement?
 
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