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I think that Mimi Rogers left the "church". I'm not 100% on that though. If she did, she doesn't talk about it negatively. I'm sure that they have too much on her for her to talk.

Whether or not she left - I dont know. But what I do know, is her parents, especially her father was (is) a high ranking member.

Emilio Estevez took several courses, and decided not to go any further. When he was asked in interviews, he pulls a 'no comment' and refuses to answer anything.

I want to know WHAT they allegedly threaten these people with.

They certainly can! They'll just lock you up in a roach infested room w/no windows & only a dirty mattress on the floor & feed you moldy bread & water for about a month. Even longer if they deem it "necessary". :eek:

Then....that last minute of the video, the guy's chip must've malfunctioned because he just lost it. :lmao: Yes, I could throw myself off a cliff or kill myself but I don't think I will. Thanks anyway.

(yay Gawker!:cheer2: )
:

YAY GAWKER is right! Im serious - I'd totally donate to their site.

Get it right - not throw yourself off a cliff, or kill yourself.... :lmao: But rather....

You could dive off a bridge or blow your brains out.
:eek: *backing away slowly*

anyone else think there are 2 sections of that "church" one for the celebs who are treated the way they want the world to know them as and one for the regular folk who are the ones who are locked up, beaten and (in come cases) left to die.

it just seems interesting that you never hear a bad word form an ex member who is a celeb. all the ex members are people you wouldn't know from adam.




has any celeb ever left the cult? no one of "importance" has ever come out and said this is what happened to them


Yes - they do treat them different. Way back in this thread is some examples of such.

But right off the top of my hat: http://www.whyaretheydead.net/jed/informer.html


ANd as I mentioned - the 'stars' that have left have zipped lips.


When I was watching the orientation videos on UTube, I also thought they were bad quality. Until I realized they were bootleg videos that someone made while in the orientation session.

I know!!! ***Applause*** to the infiltrator!

We should be fine. If they change it to no more than 10,000 post we have a long way to go. :thumbsup2

And if you use multiple quoting, as seen in this post - we should be able to keep it down. :lmao:

An interview with Morton. I thought the answer about Nicole was interesting.



Thursday, January 24, 2008
Tom Cruise biographer Morton defends his book

By Alicia Quarles THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


AP: You also say in your book that Scientology is to blame for Cruise and Nicole Kidman’s break up.

Morton: What happened is that Nicole started to pull away from Scientology. She said in an interview ... that there was a little bit of Scientology in her, a little bit of Buddhism but also Catholicism. That sent alarm bells ringing inside Scientology ... and Tom was sent in and took this course which is called a PTSSP course, which is to basically anchor yourself to the faith and to treat the outside world with more suspicion because it is a self-contained, cocooned world. You become more distant from the people who no longer believe in you, who no longer believe in the faith and one of those was Nicole Kidman. Having said all that, when Nicole was sitting after the breakup and sobbing into her handkerchief and saying to her friend, “Why did he leave?” She had no real answer. ... She was always seen as somewhat of a problem because her father is a psychiatrist and Scientologists loathe psychiatry.




Observers who interviewed her at the time used to call her deadeye Katie. The reason why that was significant is because she got her job as Joey on “Dawson’s Creek” in the first place because of her incredible eyes, because of the life and sparkle in her eyes. It seemed to people who were interviewing her at the time that she changed and changed significantly.

Unreal. Theyre alleged creeps!!!


***REMINDER!!!! Alleged is a VERY VERY VERY GOOD WORD TO USE with alleged sue-happy Sci's!! Use it more then you even need to. :thumbsup2
 
Anyone ever heard of Jesse Prince? Well, he was a scientologist for 16 years and was the second in command. He has left the church and has not only spoken out but has revealed some of their secrets. I can't believe I haven't heard of him before. He really sheds a light on the cult!!!

Here is a link. It's way to long to C&P. Free Scientology services costing up to $1,000 dollars per hour. John Travolta alone has had in excess of $100,000 of free services in compensation.

Here are some highlights:

Members of Scientology are induced to confess to acts that, if not outright criminal, are embarrassing or possibly destructive to the person's job, marriage or profession, for example, shoplifting, adultery, ************, or drug abuse. The member is urged to write these down in their own handwriting, under the guise that it is a "religious confessional" for the member's good. The truth is that these "confessions" are kept to blackmail and extort the member should they dare to speak out. The member is also coerced to sign documents that are self-damaging while protecting the organization, solely in case the member dares to leave their control and speak the truth. I know because I watched this done to others, I did it to others and it was done to me.

Scientologists are taught that a person could catch pneumonia and die if that person is prematurely exposed to these "upper level" materials without first having taken many hours of preparatory auditing


This one is even more interesting and revealing!!! :eek:

Travolta, Cruise and other celebrities con fans and media
FACTNet alert October 15, 1998

A director of FACTNet recently spent 20 hours interviewing former high-level Scientologist Jesse Prince . Jesse was second in command of all Scientology's operations worldwide. In these conversations, Jesse disclosed information never previously revealed on Scientology's celebrities.

The following synopsis on Scientology's celebrities is a condensation of information from Jesse Prince and other Scientology defectors.

Celebrities' Endorsements of Scientology a Scam
Scientology's celebrities are running a global scam on their fans and on the media Stars like John Travolta, Tom Cruise, Chick Corea, Kirstie Alley, Nicole Kidman, Kelly Preston, Priscilla Presley, Lisa Presley, and others are secretly being given lucrative compensation for endorsing Scientology. .In the recent film The Truman Show, Truman's wife incessantly pitched ads for household items, while her unaware husband was convinced she was simply stating her sincere fondness for the goods. In the same way, star Scientologists have betrayed their fans and hoodwinked interviewers by acting as though glowing endorsements of Scientology are strictly from the heart, of their own accord, and certainly not paid Scientology advertisements.

In reality, Scientology's celebrities are compensated richly for endorsements with:

Free Scientology services costing up to $1,000 dollars per hour. John Travolta alone has had in excess of $100,000 of free services in compensation.

Commissions of up to 10% for bringing people into Scientology (who subsequently pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for Scientology's services).

One or more Scientology staff being sent to travel full time with celebrities as "support," at Scientology's expense. (didn't they do this with Katie???????)

Free luxury accommodations and carte blanc use of the finest Scientology facilities and properties. Scientology's current leader David Miscavige learned that after Tom Cruise divorced Mimi Rogers, he was persuing Nicole Kidman. Miscavige also learns that Cruise has a fantasy of running through a field of tall wheat grass with Kidman. So, Miscavige orders a section of Scientology's desert compound in Giman Hot Springs to be plowed under and planted with wheat. At a cost of tens of thousands of dollars, and through the slave labor of cult members who work all day and all night for weeks, a field of tall wheat grass is grown in the desert so that Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman may run though it. During their visit, Cruise and Kidman are provided the additional luxuries of a specially prepared suite, maids, and two four-star chefs, all at scientology's expense as a quid pro quo exchange for Cruise's endorsements of Scientology.

Marriages and Divorces Arranged
Scientology actively helps arrange celebrities' divorces and marriages when Scientology deems them beneficial to Scientology.

Scientology arranged Tom Cruise's entire divorce from Mimi Rogers for no charge. The cult knows Cruise is dyslectic and has difficulty reading and so "convinced" him to let them handle his bookkeeping and the divorce from Mimi Rogers. Orchestrating this divorce was important to Scientology because Rogers was disaffected from Scientology; thus it was in Scientology's interest to distance Cruise from her. In managing the divorce for Cruise, Scientology still had enough influence over Mimi Rogers to convince her to accept a relatively paltry $10 million for the settlement.

Scientology also helped Lisa Marie Presley arrange her marriage to Michael Jackson. The idea was to make Jackson a Scientologist so he would become a recruiter and bring large numbers of youth into Scientology. While she was working on Michael Jackson, Presley inconveniently was already married, and to a Scientologist staff member. Scientology quickly ordered a divorce, so the Michael Jackson recruiting plan could go forward.

Celebrities Go Psychotic or Neurotic
Scientology celebrities have gone psychotic during or after Scientology's bizarre practices and initiations. These celebrities include John Travolta, Tom Cruise, Kirstie Alley and Mimi Rogers.

Tom Cruise became psychotic during a secret Scientology initiation in which one is told that rather than being one person, one is composed of thousands of aliens from all over the universe fighting for control of your body. After completing this initiation, known as OT III, Tom appeared sickly with black circles under his eyes and pasty skin. He said he wanted to be away from Scientology for good. He just wanted to go back to Hollywood and his home and be left alone by Scientology. This would not happen; David Miscavige ordered Cruise could not be let go. Scientology worked on Cruise day and night until he finally returned to Scientology.

Scientology's Spies Monitor Celebrities
Scientology spies on its celebrities, looking for signs of defection. The free full-time "support" staff Scientology provides to its biggest celebrities write secret reports for David Miscavige. They report any problems the celebrity is having, any antagonism to Scientology expressed by anyone close to the celebrity, and any doubts the celebrity has about Scientology. Reports were regularly sent to David Miscavige by cult spies accompanying Tom Cruise on the set of Days of Thunder. Miscavige is a fanatic regarding security and loyalty. Believing several of Scientology's ministers might be disloyal, he ordered their private homes to be bugged. Operatives listened in on everything that went on in the homes, even the intimate moments between the ministers and their spouses.

Celebrities who Leave may Suffer
Scientology celebrities who have tried to leave Scientology, sometimes many times, have been stopped. A few of the stars who have repeatedly tried to end their association with the cult are John Travolta, Priscilla Presley, Kirstie Alley, Nicole Kidman, and Tom Cruise.

A scientology staff member that John Travolta had become close friends with was sent to Scientology's concentration camp called the Rehabilitation Project Force, or RPF. He heard that she was pregnant and crying all the time while on the RPF. He wanted to see her to be certain that she and her child were okay. Scientology said that if he brought one of his films for the Scientology staff to see, they would arrange for the woman to meet with him. Scientology lied. Travolta brought the film, but the woman was not there. He threw a fit. He left wanting nothing else to do with Scientology.

At another time, Travolta was having a relationship with a homosexual man who Travolta said he was going to marry. David Miscavige freaked out. Travolta told Scientology that if they couldn't handle his homosexuality, too damn bad. So Miscavige ordered a large number of Scientology staff to stay with Travolta for weeks at a time, to re-convert him and bring him back into Scientology. Needless to say, after both incidents, Scientology ended up getting him back.

Scientology's celebrities know in no uncertain terms that Scientology will turn against them if they cause problems. They know what happens to ex-members and critics. They know how their embarrassing confidential confessions will made public if they go against the group. They know they will be targets of character assassination exposing every part of their lives, from taxes to sex to drugs to family problems!
A Note on Nicole Kidman
Nicole Kidman's black magic role in her new film Practical Magic will not help her escape the ruthless tactics of Scientology. Nicole Kidman has been signaling she wants nothing more to do with Scientology; she has said she is not a Scientologist. However, her situation is problematic. Scientology's policy is that its members are not to be closely associated with individuals who are antagonistic to Scientology, and according to Scientology's definition, Nicole is antagonistic.

Nicole knows Scientology arranged the divorce of Tom Cruise and Mimi Rogers. She knows Scientology will control every possible aspect of Tom's life. She must wonder if it is only a matter of time before Scientology demands Tom chose between his wife (and kids) and Scientology. Or before Scientology destroys their marriage through covert operations or offers Tom a new dream woman to run though a new field of wheat grass with.

Does Tom have real courage to face this cult, or does he only act that way on screen? With all its others problems worldwide, Scientology might not retaliate harshly if Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman stood up and humbly said they had made a mistake getting involved with Scientology, that Scientology is dangerous and people should stay away from it. But it doesn't seem as though Cruise is doing anything apart from what Scientology dictates to him.

Consider a recent headline story from German magazine TV Spielfilm [Issue 21/98, 10-23 October 1998]. It reveals that Tom Cruise has stepped out of the planned remake of Fahrenheit 451. He left because director Mel Gibson made a subtle joke about om's/Scientology's beliefs regarding Jesus Christ.

Scientology's secret tenets enouncing Christianity are now widely irculated. According to Scientology's policies of ending associations with anyone even minimally antagonistic to itself, Cruise responded as Scientology would insist, despite $18 million dollars at stake for the role. Nicole Kidman has a lot to worry about right now.

Anti-Christian beliefs of Scientology are found, among other places, in secret documents called OT VIII. According to Jesse Prince , the original OT VIII is part of the most secret Scientology initiation in which the initiate is told that Hubbard was the anti-Christ and that the Jesus was not a holy person, but rather a pedophile. Few people got through OT VIII before Scientology withdrew and modified it. It had caused so many problems with those who read it that it was deemed too dangerous. One long time member who passed all security clearances to reach OT VIII, freaked out on OT VIII and quit Scientology on the spot! Jesse Prince reports that even Miscavige had severe doubts about releasing this secret of secrets.

Manson and Other Scientologists
Charles Manson is the Scientologist that Scientology will deny most avidly. But, Scientology's own materials seized by the FBI disclose that Charles Manson was a member and received a considerable amount of services before he joined the Process.

With Michael Jackson no longer a Scientology hopeful, another celebrity recruit is being relied upon to bring children into Scientology: Ginger Spice, former Spice Girl.

Two other celebrities recently brought into the endorsement scam are Jenna Elfman of the Darma and Greg television sitcom and Kelly Preston, who Scientology arranged for John Travolta to marry at the peak of his sexuality-preference exposure problems.

As more people learn about the real secret Scientology - initiation-related suicides, strange deaths, coerced abortions, human rights abuses, and attacks on free speech -- Scientology worldwide organizations are plagued with continual pickets and Scientology celebrities are feeling the sting of the controversy created by Scientology wherever it appears.

Scientology celebrity products are being boycotted around the world. Even Hollywood producers and investors are having second thoughts about the economic and public impacts the cult's celebrities could bring to any project. It also appears that Christian celebrities in Hollywood have begun working behind the scenes to resist the growing influence of Scientology and its anti-Christian message in Hollywood.
 
a field of tall wheat grass is grown in the desert so that Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman may run though it.

Wouldn't that prove right there that TC is gay?

Nicole knows Scientology arranged the divorce of Tom Cruise and Mimi Rogers. She knows Scientology will control every possible aspect of Tom's life. She must wonder if it is only a matter of time before Scientology demands Tom chose between his wife (and kids) and Scientology. Or before Scientology destroys their marriage through covert operations or offers Tom a new dream woman to run though a new field of wheat grass with.

I guess we know the answer to that, don't we? Poor Katie, sucked into this nightmare freakshow.
 

Maybe I'm naive or just downright stupid, but WHY would John Travolta or anyone else allow someone from Scientology to "stay with them" for several days when he clearly wants to be apart from them? I mean-who's house is it? If I don't want someone in my house I DON'T OPEN THE DOOR or else call the police. Honestly in this day and age when anyone can do pretty much anything they want and get away with it, unless a celeb had committed murder, why would they care what Scientology "had" on them? Tell the freaks to stuff it and go on with your life!
 
Maybe I'm naive or just downright stupid, but WHY would John Travolta or anyone else allow someone from Scientology to "stay with them" for several days when he clearly wants to be apart from them? I mean-who's house is it? If I don't want someone in my house I DON'T OPEN THE DOOR or else call the police. Honestly in this day and age when anyone can do pretty much anything they want and get away with it, unless a celeb had committed murder, why would they care what Scientology "had" on them? Tell the freaks to stuff it and go on with your life!

I think it may have to do with their egos. If stuff about them gets out then it can severly hurt or even destroy their careers. Many of them have worked hard for years to obtain what they had. It may be better, in their mind, to play along with it then to have all of their most horrible secrets exposed.

All they see is the destruction of their careers and reputations. A thought that apparently is more terrifying to them then what the alleged cult can do to them.
 
Um, quick question. Is it possible to shoot yourself 3 times with a rifle in an attempt to commit suicide?

That is what happened to Miscavige's MIL.

When his mother-in-law, Flo Barnett, joined a breakaway Scientology group, it caused a vicious family rift that never healed. She committed suicide in 1985, shooting herself three times with a rifle. David Miscavige has always stoutly denied any involvement whatsoever in her death.
 
Anyone ever heard of Jesse Prince? Well, he was a scientologist for 16 years and was the second in command. He has left the church and has not only spoken out but has revealed some of their secrets. I can't believe I haven't heard of him before. He really sheds a light on the cult!!!

Free Scientology services costing up to $1,000 dollars per hour. John Travolta alone has had in excess of $100,000 of free services in compensation.

:worship: Heidi!!! :worship: NOW THAT was some good reading!!! Dayyyyum!!!! :worship:

Maybe I'm naive or just downright stupid, but WHY would John Travolta or anyone else allow someone from Scientology to "stay with them" for several days when he clearly wants to be apart from them? I mean-who's house is it? If I don't want someone in my house I DON'T OPEN THE DOOR or else call the police. Honestly in this day and age when anyone can do pretty much anything they want and get away with it, unless a celeb had committed murder, why would they care what Scientology "had" on them? Tell the freaks to stuff it and go on with your life!


Here's what happens when you try and 'just leave':

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...tm+911+fort+harrison&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

In the past 11 months, 161 calls to 911 were made from rooms in the hotel, but each time Scientology security guards said there was no emergency.



Everyone is differnet, and perhaps more embarrassed about 'things' in their life. Me, myself - I dont care what you tell someone about me. "She doesnt pay her bills on time" - yeah, me and everybody else. "She Masturbates" - yeah, me and everyone else. "She's thought about leaving her spouse" - yeah, me and everyone else. "She's been mean and verbally abusive to people" - yeah, me and everybody else. I dont care / wouldnt care what they had on me.... but so many people think they would be judged by this behavior (and they might be!) but Im only getting judged by one person and it aint LRon!!!!
 
Um, quick question. Is it possible to shoot yourself 3 times with a rifle in an attempt to commit suicide?

That is what happened to Miscavige's MIL.

Holy freaking cow!!! :scared1:

His own Mom???!?!? :sad2:
 
Holy freaking cow!!! :scared1:

His own Mom???!?!? :sad2:

His Mother in law. Don't know much about his mother though. From what I read his father was very abusive. Then he got involved in scientology and changed. He was no longer abusive leading his mother to think that he no longer loved her.
 
This will take you to a link that tells about DM's MIL's suicide, among other Sci deaths. http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/aff_hw94a.html
There are a lot of affidavits, Jesse Prince's among others. I didn't read all of his so I don't know where the above info about the celebrity endorsements came from, but I read a few others & they're quite interesting. Very scary stuff.

Oh wait, here you go. http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebrities_con.html

Grab a tall cold one 'cause we're in for a lot of reading tonite people!
 
"She doesnt pay her bills on time" . "She Masturbates" -


:scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1:

OH MY GOD - you must be the only one on the planet who does ohhhhhhhh the shame of it all.

ok maybe not:rolleyes1 :rolleyes1
 
Oh my goodness...I'm glad this thread is back. I haven't had enough alleged wackiness lately!

And that baby does not look like Tommy-boy...allegedly. And Kat(i)e's hair...hmmmmmm.....looks like baby!!!
 
i have to say what i find very disturbing from the Florida police is that they have received 161 911 calls in 11 months and they just accept the "there's no emergancy here officer" excuse?

"Scientology officials say most of the calls are mistakes that occur when foreign visitors try to dial the international access code, 011, after dialing a 9 to get an outside line. They are working with police to resolve the problem, Fugate said."

ya only they would be dialing 9011 which wouldn't get them anywhere - either the police are stupid or the 911 operators who take the call are because it's not like these calls are going on without anyone talking. even if it was the "truth as they know it" someone would appologise for making the mistake but not 161 times.

holy crap they must have a hell of a lot on a lot of people to make everyone go along with all this crap
 
Has anyone picked up a copy of this week's National Enquirer? I noticed Katie was on the cover, but it was three check-out rows away! Curious about why they might be covering her now.
 
Oh wait, here you go. http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebrities_con.html

Grab a tall cold one 'cause we're in for a lot of reading tonite people!

Im supposed to be packing!!! :rotfl: I have to get up at 2am for my flight!!!

"She doesnt pay her bills on time" . "She Masturbates" -


:scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1:

OH MY GOD - you must be the only one on the planet who does ohhhhhhhh the shame of it all.

ok maybe not:rolleyes1 :rolleyes1

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

i have to say what i find very disturbing from the Florida police is that they have received 161 911 calls in 11 months and they just accept the "there's no emergancy here officer" excuse?


holy crap they must have a hell of a lot on a lot of people to make everyone go along with all this crap


I do too. How terrifying. They seem to OWN all of Clearwater...allegedly.
 
OMG! LOTS of people hate the Sci's! Just found this on PerezHilton.com...........................

A group calling themselves "Anonymous" has declared war against Scientology and created this creepy video announcing their campaign.

Here they are, in their own words:

"Hello, Scientology. We are Anonymous.

Over the years, we have been watching you. Your campaigns of misinformation; suppression of dissent; your litigious nature, all of these things have caught our eye. With the leakage of your latest propaganda video into mainstream circulation, the extent of your malign influence over those who trust you, who call you leader, has been made clear to us. Anonymous has therefore decided that your organization should be destroyed. For the good of your followers, for the good of mankind–for the laughs–we shall expel you from the Internet and systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form. We acknowledge you as a serious opponent, and we are prepared for a long, long campaign. You will not prevail forever against the angry masses of the body politic. Your methods, hypocrisy, and the artlessness of your organization have sounded its death knell.

You cannot hide; we are everywhere.

We cannot die; we are forever. We're getting bigger every day–and solely by the force of our ideas, malicious and hostile as they often are. If you want another name for your opponent, then call us Legion, for we are many.

Yet for all that we are not as monstrous as you are; still our methods are a parallel to your own. Doubtless you will use the Anon's actions as an example of the persecution you have so long warned your followers would come; this is acceptable. In fact, it is encouraged. We are your SPs.

Gradually as we merge our pulse with that of your "Church", the suppression of your followers will become increasingly difficult to maintain. Believers will wake, and see that salvation has no price. They will know that the stress, the frustration that they feel is not something that may be blamed upon Anonymous. No–they will see that it stems from a source far closer to each. Yes, we are SPs. But the sum of suppression we could ever muster is eclipsed by that of the RTC.

Knowledge is free.

We are Anonymous.

We are Legion.

We do not forgive.

WE DO NOT FORGET.

Expect us."
 
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