**OFFICIAL THREAD**Survivor: Panama

[bicker]

Terry was dead wrong: To say that his feelings for his wife is more important than Aras' feelings for his mother was indiocy. You don't ever tell anyone else that your personal priorities are more important than theirs. He should have just been honest and said what he meant: that HE WON and so he gets to give gifts to the people he likes most.

 

[goofy's friends]

Terry was dead wrong: To say that his feelings for his wife is more important than Aras' feelings for his mother was indiocy. You don't ever tell anyone else that your personal priorities are more important than theirs. He should have just been honest and said what he meant: that HE WON and so he gets to give gifts to the people he likes most.

I dono't think it was who he likes most, I think it was strategy to get Shane's vote, knowing that the others kept him out of the loop, he saw an opportunity.

 

[JVL1018]

BUT, he's not married, so TO HIM his Mom is JUST as important to him as Terry's wife is to him. That is my point.
My husband did see his mom almost every day before he married me, he still talks to her almost every day now. That is part of why I married him. Most men when they are good to their Moms make great husbands.
I just don't think it's anyones place to say who is more important to whom in their lives.

I saw my Mom every day before I married my husband and he saw his, we both lived at home, and we were both very close to our parents..heck I shared a 2 family house with my inlaws so he still saw his parents every day I think it's great!
I do think it's odd when anyone would say a husband/wife doesn't have more of a need to see each other after 3 weeks apart than a mother/son. I easily could have gone 3 weeks without seeing my parents..but my husband? No way.

If that were true than we'd all have to see our parents every day and our spouses whenever we got the chance instead of vice versa.

 

[bicker]

I easily could have gone 3 weeks without seeing my parents..but my husband? No way.

At 43 years old, I can far more easily go three weeks without seeing anyone I knew than (including my wife), than I could at 24 (without a wife). Being married doesn't make me more dependent; it makes me stronger and better able to withstand such stresses, knowing that afterwards I'll have a such an intense, loving relationship to go back to.

 

[Alice28]

OK, am I missing something here?

I have watched every season of Survivor. Doesn't the season finale start off with the final 4 players? They are already down to 4, right? Cirie, Terry, Aras and Danielle. Why is there another regular episode next Thursday? What will they do? Then the season finale on Sunday? I don't get it. I went back to the CBS website to make sure I wasn't insane- last season the season finale started with Lydia, Rafe, Stephenie and Dani. Amazon had Butch, Jenna, Rob and Matthew.....

So what will happen next Thursday night????????????

 

[JVL1018]

At 43 years old, I can far more easily go three weeks without seeing anyone I knew than (including my wife), than I could at 24 (without a wife). Being married doesn't make me more dependent; it makes me stronger and better able to withstand such stresses, knowing that afterwards I'll have a such an intense, loving relationship to go back to.

Of course I COULD,..but I'd venture a guess that more 24 year olds go without seeing their mommies for 3 weeks(college anyone? Living alone knowing no one at 18?) than people who are married go without seeing their spouses in the majority of cases.
It's not about what's easiest..it's about appreciating it more...and while Aras's mom may very well be the most important person in his life, as she should be for an unmarried childless guy, that doesn't mean that I think his mother/son relationship would be as strengthened by a night alone together as a husband/wife or father/young son.

But I'll agree to disagree as a freely admit that I believe that certain relationships trump others.
I'd think a mother being able to see her baby after say, a month apart would trump a Dad getting to see his 35 yr old child.
I think it's more painful to lose a spouse than a grandparent.

It doesn't seem like Aras and Danielle were too sad not to get their moms for the night anyway, Danielle was accepting of it, and Aras just seemed annoyed at Terry.

 

[MrsKreamer]

I would just love to know what Aras expected? Did he REALLY think Terry was going to let him have his mom overnight at the spa like place? What a joke. I understand why Terry explained himself. Aras was just being a crybaby....

 

[bicker]

Of course I COULD

You completely missed my point. I didn't say anything about "could" versus "couldn't" -- I said that, as a mature, married man, I'm less in need of contact with people I know than I was as a less mature, single man. This has nothing to do with mother versus wife. That's why Terry's statement was without merit. Unless Terry is less of a man than I am.

 

[SRUAlmn]

I am 28 years old and unmarried (I'm engaged) and have a VERY close relationship with my mother (my father passed away when I was 16.) I agree totally with the choices Terry made (except maybe the swap of Shane and Cirie.) I also agree with the people on here saying a relationship bond is stronger than a parent/child bond. It still would have been hard if I had been the one out there who didn't get to see my mom, but I would have totally understood the rationale.

Some people are saying 'who does Terry think he is making choices about whose family members are more or less important,' but he didn't have a choice. It was part of the game for him to decide, and maybe he didn't necessarily need to vocalize his reasoning, but he had to make the choice.

 

[jeanniec]

Alice38 -- Glad you brought up the question about the previous Survivors where the finale began with the final four. When no one else had this question, I decided that my memory must be fading fast, but I was so sure that the Sunday night finale started with 4 contestants. Well, I guess we will see what happens on Thursday. Did not watch the preview of next week's show -- was it new material?

 

[bicker]

I agree totally with the choices Terry made

Just to be clear, so do I: What I disagree with is Terry's silly "explanation".

I also agree with the people on here saying a relationship bond is stronger than a parent/child bond.

Just to be clear, so do I, which again is why Terry's "explanation" was silly.

but he didn't have a choice

Yes, he did: He could have kept his "explanation" to himself.

maybe he didn't necessarily need to vocalize his reasoning

Precisely!

 

[jeanniec]

Sorry about the typo. Should have been Alice 28, not 38.

 

[lbgraves]

I would just love to know what Aras expected? Did he REALLY think Terry was going to let him have his mom overnight at the spa like place? What a joke. I understand why Terry explained himself. Aras was just being a crybaby....

ITA with you! Give me a break! If any of the other 4 had won the challenge who do they think would have been sent to exile island without a hug from his wife? I

 

[JVL1018]

You completely missed my point. I didn't say anything about "could" versus "couldn't" -- I said that, as a mature, married man, I'm less in need of contact with people I know than I was as a less mature, single man. This has nothing to do with mother versus wife. That's why Terry's statement was without merit. Unless Terry is less of a man than I am.

I understood you..you said:

At 43 years old, I can far more easily go three weeks without seeing anyone I knew than (including my wife), than I could at 24 (without a wife).
And I agreed saying I could go 3 weeks without seeing my husband..but that I disagree about younger people having more of a need to see a familiar face, because they do separate themselves from their family around that time anyway.

Regardless I don't think Terry and his wife are strangers to much longer separations than these few weeks, seeing as he was in the service, so it's not a need like they can't function apart that I was speaking of..but a need to talk to and enjoy each other.

 

[bicker]

So that's how you misunderstood? I made certain words bold and you read it as if I made other words bold? How did that happen?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I was a bit surprised at how upset Aras got over the whole thing. Sure it had to be disappointing for him, but what did he expect?
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What I got out of his whining was.....



"You won and picked you and your wife for the prize instead of me and my mommy. That is sooo not fair".



And no--one can logically say a 24yo can be without his mommy.

I don't think Terry could say no to those puppy dog Boston eyes (he's such a cutey!). I was screaming at the tv that he should pick Shane and Boston. Boston is a KID and it was evident that this would be a well appreciated gesture. It was noble and sweet for Terry to do that.

Pull the wife out of the equation...What Aras is saying is that he needs his mommy as a grown man more than Boston needed his dad.

Time to cut the apron strings Aras.

And while the opionions may be that Terry shouldn't have said his honest opinions---did they even show who brought up the topic in the first place. Do we know the set up to this moment?

 

[JVL1018]

So that's how you misunderstood? I made certain words bold and you read it as if I made other words bold? How did that happen?

Huh? You said it had nothing to do with could or couldn't after I posted that I could go without seeing my husband.
That's why I bolded it, to show you I had used the word "could" as I was just agreeing with your statement you "could" go without seeing your spouse...yada yada yada

But whatever..I think you're right, I don't get you, and I think I'll give up.

 

[bicker]

What I found so funny is that when you bolded the words that weren't the point of what I was saying, you unbolded the words that were!!!!!

 

[Disney1fan2002]

What I got out of his whining was.....



"You won and picked you and your wife for the prize instead of me and my mommy. That is sooo not fair".



And no--one can logically say a 24yo can be without his mommy.

I don't think Terry could say no to those puppy dog Boston eyes (he's such a cutey!). I was screaming at the tv that he should pick Shane and Boston. Boston is a KID and it was evident that this would be a well appreciated gesture. It was noble and sweet for Terry to do that.

Pull the wife out of the equation...What Aras is saying is that he needs his mommy as a grown man more than Boston needed his dad.

Time to cut the apron strings Aras.

And while the opionions may be that Terry shouldn't have said his honest opinions---did they even show who brought up the topic in the first place. Do we know the set up to this moment?

I don't think Aras was complaining about the overnight visit. Terry was explaining his logic on how he chose how he did. Being a dad, Shane/Boston hands down for the overnight, then, he had to choose who to let go back to camp, that is where the explanation came in about a husband/wife is a more important visit than a mother/grown son. (with which, I agree).

I am so glad he allowed Cirie to be with her husband. I cried when Big Tom did not pick Rupert to spend time with him on the family visit, so he could be with his wife, in All Star. I think it is more important to bring two married people together after 30 days, than siblings, parents, friends, ect. Unless of course it is a young child (Boston) who has not seen his dad in 30 days.

I was really hoping when they showed the reward, they would show Shane just bombarding Terry with appreciation. I don't even think we heard a thank you. Cirie whispered it in his ear when she hugged him on his return, but Shane didn't even tell the camera (us) that he appreciated Terry for choosing him and Boston. UGH, I am so glad that cry baby is gone.

 

[Disney1fan2002]

Glancing through some of the recent posts, I see some people understand Aras wanting to be with his mom.

I recall, in S2, Colby had an overnight with his mom, and many people thought it was "icky".

I said in an earlier post, Aras was not complaining about the overnight, but Terry telling him Cirie's relationship with her husband should be above a relationship with a mom, so it was the camp visit that Aras was not happy about.

Speaking about "icky" did anyone else notice Boston playing with the draw string on Shane's PJ bottoms? I though that was a little too close to "home".