Obama supporters! - A positive place to talk about his campaign

[Laura]

What will happen to those R and I's come November?

I'm sure a few are voting because they don't want Hillary. But there are plenty who would rather have him as POTUS than McCain.

Texas Republicans cross over to vote for Obama
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394070/

 

[NewJersey]

I'm glad I amuse you. I actually think its interesting. She wins more closed primaries than he does. To me that means he's winning more I and R votes. What will happen to those R and I's come November?

McCain appeals to some crossover Democrats, Obama appeals to some crossover Republicans (like I met at his town hall in Alexandria, VA & when I canvassed my county) - as for the Independents, they go to McCain when he faces Hillary and they go to Obama when it's McCain vs. Obama. Do you think Independents just not show up to vote?

I'm sick of the excuses coming out of Hillary's campaign - that state doesn't count because its red or its a caucus state or its not a big, blue, Democratic state, or now we have because it's not a closed primary.

 

[wvjules]

McCain appeals to some crossover Democrats, Obama appeals to some crossover Republicans (like I met at his town hall in Alexandria, VA & when I canvassed my county) - as for the Independents, they go to McCain when he faces Hillary and they go to Obama when it's McCain vs. Obama. Do you think Independents just not show up to vote?

I'm sick of the excuses coming out of Hillary's campaign - that state doesn't count because its red or its a caucus state or its not a big, blue, Democratic state, or now we have because it's not a closed primary.

Where did I state that they don't count? I simply compiled the wins for each candidate and noted whether they were open or closed primaries. I found it interesting that she has won more closed primaries than he has, that's it...no hidden agend there.

Now, I'll leave this thread so you all can continue with the positive place to talk about his campaign.

 

[chobie]

I'm sure a few are voting because they don't want Hillary. But there are plenty who would rather have him as POTUS than McCain.

Texas Republicans cross over to vote for Obama
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394070/

On the other hand, you have Rush telling his minions to vote for Hillary to stop the Obama momentum. It says a lot that the Repugs are so afraid of whomever our candidate is that they are focusing their energy on trying to mess with our process rather than spending their time promoting their candidate.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I'm sure a few are voting because they don't want Hillary. But there are plenty who would rather have him as POTUS than McCain.

Texas Republicans cross over to vote for Obama
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394070/

I think if McCain continues to run for GW's third term, Independents will run from him. I've been reading some of his stuff and he's playing pretty far right at this point. He's got the primaries won, so he's not just playing the far right to get the nomination. He really has moved from straight talker to Bush water carrier.

 

[lilyv]

McCain appeals to some crossover Democrats, Obama appeals to some crossover Republicans (like I met at his town hall in Alexandria, VA & when I canvassed my county) - as for the Independents, they go to McCain when he faces Hillary and they go to Obama when it's McCain vs. Obama. Do you think Independents just not show up to vote?

I'm sick of the excuses coming out of Hillary's campaign - that state doesn't count because its red or its a caucus state or its not a big, blue, Democratic state, or now we have because it's not a closed primary.

Me too. I keep looking at how the Clinton campaign has been run and think it's an indicator of what kind of president she'd be. Clinton doesn't plan ahead
or even plan for changing situations (remember it's over on Super Tues?) doesn't listen to advisers (they were afraid to tell her bad news), doesn't manage money well, and finally, doesn't take responsibility for anything, just complains.

Her managerial skills are sorely lacking.

 

[NewJersey]

On the other hand, you have Rush telling his minions to vote for Hillary to stop the Obama momentum. It says a lot that the Repugs are so afraid of whomever our candidate is that they are focusing their energy on trying to mess with our process rather than spending their time promoting their candidate.

I had a Republican friend of mine vote for Hillary in VA - at that time, the momentum for Obama had just begun, so the vote was because he thinks McCain can beat Hillary but not Obama.

 

[NewJersey]

Me too. I keep looking at how the Clinton campaign has been run and think it's an indicator of what kind of president she'd be. Clinton doesn't plan ahead
or even plan for changing situations (remember it's over on Super Tues?) doesn't listen to advisers (they were afraid to tell her bad news), doesn't manage money well, and finally, doesn't take responsibility for anything, just complains.

Her managerial skills are sorely lacking.

Its interesting because after the debate where they each had to state something negative about themselves, Hillary was on the attack for how Obama "loses papers and it shows he doesn't have the managerial skills to be President."

I think this primary has proven just the opposite - I think he's run an excellent campaign, and as for her, well I'll keep this thread about Obama.

 

[lilyv]

Its interesting because after the debate where they each had to state something negative about themselves, Hillary was on the attack for how Obama "loses papers and it shows he doesn't have the managerial skills to be President."

I think this primary has proven just the opposite - I think he's run an excellent campaign, and as for her, well I'll keep this thread about Obama.

He has run an excellent campaign. I have no worries about his managerial skills.

 

[arminnie]

I think this primary has proven just the opposite - I think he's run an excellent campaign, and as for her, well I'll keep this thread about Obama.

I'll bite. HRC has screwed up the two big things she has tried to manage in her lifetime - the healthcare debacle of Bill's first term and her campaign.

If she could not make healthcare work when she was working on it FULL time with her husband as president and a Dem. congress, how could she possibly do any better while having to tend to the rest of the nation as president.

 

[Laura]

I'll bite. HRC has screwed up the two big things she has tried to manage in her lifetime - the healthcare debacle of Bill's first term and her campaign.

If she could not make healthcare work when she was working on it FULL time with her husband as president and a Dem. congress, how could she possibly do any better while having to tend to the rest of the nation as president.

To be honest, I have a bit of a concern that if Clinton were President, she'd concentrate too much on health care to the detriment of other issues.

 

[NewJersey]

To be honest, I have a bit of a concern that if Clinton were President, she'd concentrate too much on health care to the detriment of other issues.

And I think she would take the position of "My way or the highway" when it comes to her proposal.

This is interesting:

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

New Clinton spin: March 4 states must-wins for Obama
Something strange just landed in my e-mail in box: A memo from Hillary Clinton's campaign titled "Obama Must-Wins." The memo attempts to paint the states that hold their nominating contests on March 4 -- Ohio, Rhode Island, Texas and Vermont -- as must-wins for Barack Obama. That is, to put it in the most generous terms possible, a very bold attempt at spin. For weeks now, Ohio and Texas have been considered must-wins for Clinton.

There are good reasons for considering those states must-wins for Clinton, too. Obama has been on a roll since Super Tuesday -- she has to stop his momentum, and soon. More than that, she badly needs the delegates that Ohio and Texas bring to have a shot at capturing the nomination at the Democratic convention later this year, if the race gets that far. And considering the drooling anticipation with which some in the media are waiting for a final defeat for Clinton, the pile-on if she fails to capture either or both of those states will be hard to recover from.

Moreover, it's not as if the Clinton campaign has pretended to be unaware of the situation it faces. Earlier this month, former President Bill Clinton told an audience in Texas, "If she wins Texas and Ohio I think she will be the nominee. If you don't deliver for her, I don't think she can be. It's all on you."

The full memo:

The media has anointed Barack Obama the presumptive nominee and he's playing the part.

With an eleven state winning streak coming out of February, Senator Obama is riding a surge of momentum that has enabled him to pour unprecedented resources into Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont.

The Obama campaign and its allies are outspending us two to one in paid media and have sent more staff into the March 4 states. In fact, when all is totaled, Senator Obama and his allies have outspent Senator Clinton by a margin of $18.4 million to $9.2 million on advertising in the four states that are voting next Tuesday.

Senator Obama has campaigned hard in these states. He has spent time meeting editorial boards, courting endorsers, holding rallies, and -- of course -- making speeches.

If he cannot win all of these states with all this effort, there's a problem.

Should Senator Obama fail to score decisive victories with all of the resources and effort he is bringing to bear, the message will be clear:

Democrats, the majority of whom have favored Hillary in the primary contests held to date, have their doubts about Senator Obama and are having second thoughts about him as a prospective standard-bearer.

My goodness, my head is spinning after reading that.

 

[lilyv]

Never count out a Clinton. But, can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot? Say, Clinton had won 11 straight-there would be screams from the rooftops for Obama to just go away. But, because Obama won 11 straight, the mantra is, those votes don't count, those states don't count, they're not big enough, they're not special enough...

 

[NewJersey]

I'm speechless:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/02/clinton_children.html

I thought we as Democrats chided the Republicans in 2004 and 2006 for their national security scare tactics?

 

[Fitswimmer]

I'm speechless:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/02/clinton_children.html

I thought we as Democrats chided the Republicans in 2004 and 2006 for their national security scare tactics?

But it worked for them, didn't it? That's why she's using it.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

I'm speechless:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/02/clinton_children.html

I thought we as Democrats chided the Republicans in 2004 and 2006 for their national security scare tactics?

Ah, the smell of a desperate campaign. Didn't she mention something about someone using Karl Rove's tactics??

 

[lilyv]

I'm speechless:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/02/clinton_children.html

I thought we as Democrats chided the Republicans in 2004 and 2006 for their national security scare tactics?

That is just shameful. She's just stooped to a new low. It's so transparently snotty-hope it totally backfires on her campaign.

 

[NewJersey]

Sorry, it's a slow day at work.

Clinton may challenge Texas vote rules By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
14 minutes ago



LAREDO, Texas - Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign has raised the possibility of a challenge to Texas' primary and caucus rules just days before the contest, drawing a warning against legal action from the state's Democratic Party.

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Top strategists for Democratic rival Barack Obama said Friday they supported the party's action, suggesting the Clinton campaign was trying to block the reporting of caucus results.

Aides to Clinton said earlier this week they were alarmed at the lack of clarity about many of the caucus rules and expressed their concerns on a conference call with Obama's staff and state party officials. Texas has a two-step voting process, with a primary and then caucuses shortly after the polls close.

Specifically, Clinton aides questioned a provision allowing caucus attendees to vote to move the location if they choose to do so, and whether people who had cast so-called "provisional ballots" in the primary would have their votes counted in the caucus.

They also expressed concern about the automated phone system precinct chairs would use to call in the results of each caucus, saying the party hadn't yet trained anyone to use the system properly.

Clinton political director Guy Cecil said he asked party officials to spell out the rules in memo form and to send them to both campaigns.

"We want to see the results in writing, and we reserve the right to challenge something if we don't believe it reflects something that was discussed on the call," he said, insisting that if there were clear problems with how the caucuses were being run, "you are allowed to say something about it."

Cecil on Friday denied that the campaign planned to sue the party, which will manage roughly 8,700 caucuses Tuesday evening.

"There were no veiled threats of lawsuits of any kind," Cecil said of the conference call.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said the Clinton campaign was trying to minimize the results of the caucuses. The former first lady and her team have made clear their unhappiness with caucuses, believing that they cater to the hard-core party activists who tend to support Obama. The Illinois senator has won 13 caucuses so far, while Clinton has won just two.

"This takes it to a new level, which is they don't want the people who are participating in those caucuses to have their results reported in a timely fashion. And I assume that's a very self-serving decision," Plouffe said.

Texas party officials said they believed Cecil was threatening legal action and wrote a letter to him and to Obama senior strategist Steve Hildebrand reflecting that concern.

"If it is true that litigation is imminent between one or both of your campaigns and the Texas Democratic Party, such action could prove to be a tragedy for a reinvigorated democratic process that is involving a record number of participants here in Texas and across the nation," party attorney Chad Dunn wrote. "Litigation regarding the TDP could cripple the momentum of a resurging Texas Democratic Party and ultimately the November 2008 election."

The letter also noted that many of Clinton's senior campaign advisers in Texas had helped to develop the rules governing the state's caucus system. A Texas party official also noted that former President Clinton won the state's caucuses in 1992 and 1996 following the same rules.

Texas has 193 delegates up for grabs Tuesday. Of those delegates, 126 will come from the primary, and 67 from the caucus.

She loved Texas the night of VA/MD/DC but when her campaign actually read the rules of TX, they realized they had no idea it was so complicated. Again, why was she so poorly prepared? I assume ready on day one doesn't apply to her campaign.

 

[NewJersey]

Ah, the smell of a desperate campaign. Didn't she mention something about someone using Karl Rove's tactics??

Yeah, that's the most striking aspect of all of this. Yet, she claims a mailing from Obama falls into that category.

 

[NewJersey]

That is just shameful. She's just stooped to a new low. It's so transparently snotty-hope it totally backfires on her campaign.

I'll tell ya this - if I had kids, I wouldn't want her answering the phone and sending them into Iraq by voting to give Bush authorization for the war.