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[intamin]

I believe the 40 year requirement is a state law requirement. So, yes, any expansion of BLT would need to be a new association.

I've thought about this in the context of RIV and thoughts that an expansion there (e.g., tearing down Aruba and building a new tower) would need to be completed by 2030 in order to join the RIV association. Seems unlikely.

I wonder when the 40 year deadline really is. Like does it just have to be under construction by the 40 year time point? I assume it's must be for sale by the 40 year cutoff. For example, Polynesian's 40 year deadline is next year but they're obviously going to still be selling Poly then but with that then they could technically get a RIV expansion for sale by 2029 and then sell that for the next however many years

 

[VGCgroupie]

Was excited to get the mail today... no mail today.

 

[ML_LovesDisney]

This thread is very good timing as I'm sitting here thinking about adding on again, dues are always a nice stall tactic for my next purchase. I will forget all about it though in March after they're paid for 2 mths

 

[eticketplease]

Was excited to get the mail today... no mail today.

Yes, thank you to all of our veterans who have served our country

Edit: and active duty members as well of course

 

[Genie+]

I used to think all "on sale" resorts got a discount of dues so they can sell it but Aulani is still on sale soooo.... Is aulani fully declared since its not sold out? Doesn't dvc pay some of the mf for resorts that aren't fully declared? I know its been on sale forever I just dont know how that really works

Looking at the last 3 DVC resorts to go on sale at WDW that were not added to an existing association (CCV, RIV and CFW) they started out the gate higher than average, then way below average increases. CFW doesn’t have much of a track record yet but look at the first 5 years at CCV and RIV:

Year	CCV	RIV	CFW
1	7.33 (2017)	8.31 (2019)	12.16
2	7.26	8.31	11.88
3	7.42	8.38
4	7.45	8.38
5	7.59	8.50
6	7.60	8.85

Barely any cumulative increase between Year 1 and Year 5.

Comparing CCV to it’s sister BRV with matching years:

Year	CCV	BRV
2017	7.33	6.54
2018	7.26	6.93
2019	7.42	7.32
2020	7.45	7.78
2021	7.59	8.11
2022	7.60	8.15

BRV dues had gone up a total of 25% in this timespan; CCV under 4%!

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The 2 resorts with subsidized happened for different reasons. Both ended up only being a small portion of existing contracts at those resorts overall. I’m not certain but under 20%, maybe under 10%?

For Vero Beach subsidized, the dues were based on the eventuality of a Phase 2 and how shared expense would reduce costs. That was cancelled early on and caused the dues to jump from $2.76 in 1998 to $3.99 in 1999… a huge percentage jump for the ‘new’ buyers but at least they knew what they were getting into (unlike the grandfathered/subsidized owners). Awareness of the jump was known well before 1999 came around though, so the cutoff date for subsidized dues happened years before.

AUL was likely shenanigans with an under-estimate. 3 execs were fired and sales halted.

 

[Sandisw]

I wonder when the 40 year deadline really is. Like does it just have to be under construction by the 40 year time point? I assume it's must be for sale by the 40 year cutoff. For example, Polynesian's 40 year deadline is next year but they're obviously going to still be selling Poly then but with that then they could technically get a RIV expansion for sale by 2029 and then sell that for the next however many years

It’s when they have decided to make it part of that association.

So, they indicated that all of PVB tower would become part of PVB..,when those units get declared doesn’t matter at this point.

IIRC, it has to be at least 40 years of use from when the project is made into a timeshare.

 

[eticketplease]

IIRC, it has to be at least 40 years of use from when the project is made into a timeshare.

That is what I thought it was, but I couldn’t find anything that said it for sure

 

[J-Dog]

We have booked it twice and both times ended up cancelling. It's just not in a convenient location imo and not worth the walk over. I did send my husband to walk over to tell them the other 6 of us would not be walking over, he took photos.

I did this exact thing and came to the same conclusion.

 

[Girlstar30]

Looking at the last 3 DVC resorts to go on sale at WDW that were not added to an existing association (CCV, RIV and CFW) they started out the gate higher than average, then way below average increases. CFW doesn’t have much of a track record yet but look at the first 5 years at CCV and RIV:

Year	CCV	RIV	CFW
1	7.33 (2017)	8.31 (2019)	12.16
2	7.26	8.31	11.88
3	7.42	8.38
4	7.45	8.38
5	7.59	8.50
6	7.60	8.85

Barely any cumulative increase between Year 1 and Year 5.

Comparing CCV to it’s sister BRV with matching years:

Year	CCV	BRV
2017	7.33	6.54
2018	7.26	6.93
2019	7.42	7.32
2020	7.45	7.78
2021	7.59	8.11
2022	7.60	8.15

BRV dues had gone up a total of 25% in this timespan; CCV under 4%!

————-

The 2 resorts with subsidized happened for different reasons. Both ended up only being a small portion of existing contracts at those resorts overall. I’m not certain but under 20%, maybe under 10%?

For Vero Beach subsidized, the dues were based on the eventuality of a Phase 2 and how shared expense would reduce costs. That was cancelled early on and caused the dues to jump from $2.76 in 1998 to $3.99 in 1999… a huge percentage jump for the ‘new’ buyers but at least they knew what they were getting into (unlike the grandfathered/subsidized owners). Awareness of the jump was known well before 1999 came around though, so the cutoff date for subsidized dues happened years before.

AUL was likely shenanigans with an under-estimate. 3 execs were fired and sales halted.

Thank you, I had no idea, the resorts on sale showed a decrease in dues so I just was like hmmm these are the only ones going down, suspicious I can now see why they overestimate. Id rather know around what im paying than any surprises of it being way underestimated

 

[Cyberc1978]

Wow! That jump in housekeeping costs! Also…. the resort access fee going up 15%…. what made it go up 15%?!?

What is a resort access fee?

 

[VGCgroupie]

What is a resort access fee?

Unique to Aulani.

Resort Access Fee: “Resort Access Fee – Fee paid to Ko Olina Club, LLC for providing to Members certain rights of access to and benefits associated with certain Ko Olina Resort entertainment facilities and services.”

I know we get access to the club lounge at the airport…. discounted rounds of golf…

Basically access to all of this and being part of the association. https://koolina.com/ Im not mad about it as an owner.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I almost visited it the last time, is it worth going to the lounge at HNL?

It’s temperature controlled, never crowded, had comfortable enough seating, charging ports, and free water and light snacks… no views…. but a nice place to sit if the weather is hot or rainy/humid given that the terminal is open air.

 

[VGCgroupie]

It’s temperature controlled, never crowded, had comfortable enough seating, charging ports, and free water and light snacks… no views…. but a nice place to sit if the weather is hot or rainy/humid given that the terminal is open air.

How long ago? I wasnt aware of water and snacks were there any longer. I still may not make the trek for that but nice to know that is still an option.

 

[kilik64]

Looking at the last 3 DVC resorts to go on sale at WDW that were not added to an existing association (CCV, RIV and CFW) they started out the gate higher than average, then way below average increases. CFW doesn’t have much of a track record yet but look at the first 5 years at CCV and RIV:

Year	CCV	RIV	CFW
1	7.33 (2017)	8.31 (2019)	12.16
2	7.26	8.31	11.88
3	7.42	8.38
4	7.45	8.38
5	7.59	8.50
6	7.60	8.85

Barely any cumulative increase between Year 1 and Year 5.

Comparing CCV to it’s sister BRV with matching years:

Year	CCV	BRV
2017	7.33	6.54
2018	7.26	6.93
2019	7.42	7.32
2020	7.45	7.78
2021	7.59	8.11
2022	7.60	8.15

BRV dues had gone up a total of 25% in this timespan; CCV under 4%!

————-

The 2 resorts with subsidized happened for different reasons. Both ended up only being a small portion of existing contracts at those resorts overall. I’m not certain but under 20%, maybe under 10%?

For Vero Beach subsidized, the dues were based on the eventuality of a Phase 2 and how shared expense would reduce costs. That was cancelled early on and caused the dues to jump from $2.76 in 1998 to $3.99 in 1999… a huge percentage jump for the ‘new’ buyers but at least they knew what they were getting into (unlike the grandfathered/subsidized owners). Awareness of the jump was known well before 1999 came around though, so the cutoff date for subsidized dues happened years before.

AUL was likely shenanigans with an under-estimate. 3 execs were fired and sales halted.

The per point dues difference on CCV and BRV is interesting in that context. Some of that is from the total point difference I imagine, 3.2m CCV vs 1.9m BRV, but wonder what the other big differentiator is there?

 

[AstroBlasters]

How long ago? I wasnt aware of water and snacks were there any longer. I still may not make the trek for that but nice to know that is still an option.

2024

Maybe they got rid of them as some “frugal” people will eat free snacks like it’s a full meal replacement for their whole family.

 

[Genie+]

The per point dues difference on CCV and BRV is interesting in that context. Some of that is from the total point difference I imagine, 3.2m CCV vs 1.9m BRV, but wonder what the other big differentiator is there?

The CCV cabins high point/nt average probably helps in some sense

I think home resort dues are helped by having higher avg pts/nt cost, higher point categories like TPV, and higher point booking categories like cabungalows and penthouses.

The first year we owned both BWV and VGF (2023), I was surprised after taking ad valorem taxes out of the equation: VGF only cost me $5.50pp in dues while BWV was $7pp. That’s a BIG difference! The best explanation was the much higher points VGF requires per night.

For demonstration only, say studios are around $100/nt to cover ongoing expenses. A resort that averages 14pts to book will need $7pp to cover it, while a resort averaging 18pts only needs $5.50pp to cover it.

Makes me wonder how CFW manages to keep total dues under $12pp lol. I think those contracts say 19pts/nt average. Not many points to spread the cost of max occupancy 6 and spread out individually standing 1BR units, which no doubt raises housekeeping, maintenance and other costs.

But then you have something like Copper Creek Cabins or Poly Bungalows/Penthouses which are averaging over 100pts/nt with max occupancy 8. In some areas they are chipping in more than their share. A BWV standard studio is occupancy 5 and 12pts/nt or less half the year - what their dues bill is kickin’ in per head for transportation is a fraction of what these megaprime units do. Some people don’t like the idea of CCV and Poly having sold so many extra points toward the swanky digs because it potentially hurts competition/availability of the regular units, but the silver lining may be how much dues cost they absorb.

 

[disneylandtour]

Unique to Aulani.

Basically access to all of this and being part of the association. https://koolina.com/ Im not mad about it as an owner.

Side question - what airlines tend to have gates near the member lounge at the airport? Assuming price is roughly the same between major carriers (Delta, American, United, etc.), that may be the deciding figure. Especially as the US may be in for another round of Federal shutdown and flight delays again (sadly) next year. I believe the current proposal only gets us into January. So having a good place to chill out at the airport may not be the worst plan in the world.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Side question - what airlines tend to have gates near the member lounge at the airport? Assuming price is roughly the same between major carriers (Delta, American, United, etc.), that may be the deciding figure. Especially as the US may be in for another round of Federal shutdown and flight delays again (sadly) next year. I believe the current proposal only gets us into January. So having a good place to chill out at the airport may not be the worst plan in the world.

Hawaiian was not close its in the fancy new terminal.
Delta was in old terminal so closer but as I went through TSA Precheck my Delta gate was 20 steps away. The lounge was about a 10+ min walk away from precheck.

Im not sure on the other airlines.