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The Clintons are almost as bad as the Republicans. Certainly in the tradition of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove.:mad:
I'm curious as to whether you have any proof that the Clintons were involved in this? I see that a Clinton supporter was but I'd be very interested if somehow Hillary was directly involved or if this is more guilt by association.
 
I'm curious as to whether you have any proof that the Clintons were involved in this? I see that a Clinton supporter was but I'd be very interested if somehow Hillary was directly involved or if this is more guilt by association.

Guilt by association is fashionable now. ;)

This week's meatgrind-ee is Obama. It'll be Hillary soon. Then it's McCain's turn. And so on and so on and so on. But, it's a good thing. Weeds out the weaklings. Would've weeded out JFK, FDR, etc. :lmao:
 
Guilt by association is fashionable now. ;)

This week's meatgrind-ee is Obama. It'll be Hillary soon. Then it's McCain's turn. And so on and so on and so on. But, it's a good thing. Weeds out the weaklings. Would've weeded out JFK, FDR, etc. :lmao:
I think that JFK would have been OK. He would have turned on the charm and that would have done it. JFK was before my time but I've heard all about him. :)

Eh, it's politics. They're all muddle on through the minor stuff.
 

Guilt by association is fashionable now. ;)

This week's meatgrind-ee is Obama. It'll be Hillary soon. Then it's McCain's turn. And so on and so on and so on. But, it's a good thing. Weeds out the weaklings. Would've weeded out JFK, FDR, etc. :lmao:

Well said. It's probably about time for Bill to make a controversial appearance pretty soon-it's sort of sadly funny to me that Hill has Bill, and Obama has to deal with Wright.
Bill and Wright seem to both need attention desperately, and will do (and say) just about anything to get it at times.
 
Guilt by association is fashionable now. ;)

This week's meatgrind-ee is Obama. It'll be Hillary soon. Then it's McCain's turn. And so on and so on and so on. But, it's a good thing. Weeds out the weaklings. Would've weeded out JFK, FDR, etc. :lmao:

Oh yeah! GBA (guilt by association) is the order of the day. Seems to me clearly the degree of guilt attributed to the association is in the eye of the beholder. GBA for Obama induces :scared1: in some folks. GBA for Clinton and McCain--at this point any rate--appears not to matter since their ethical lapses, conflicts of interests or flat out misconduct and relevant associations were a long time ago and besides bears no reflection on their character or judgement. ;)
 
I think that JFK would have been OK. He would have turned on the charm and that would have done it. JFK was before my time but I've heard all about him. :)

Eh, it's politics. They're all muddle on through the minor stuff.

In addition to being a "ladies man" extraordinaire, JFK also had ties to organized crime through his family's former source of income .......... bootlegging. He also had health problems for which he had to take "questionable" medication.

JFK wouldn't have got past IA in today's atmosphere. And it would've been a great loss to the country.

I don't think we're getting the best candidates with the current system. All we're getting is the last one standing. I don't think that's enough.
 
Well said. It's probably about time for Bill to make a controversial appearance pretty soon-it's sort of sadly funny to me that Hill has Bill, and Obama has to deal with Wright.
Bill and Wright seem to both need attention desperately, and will do (and say) just about anything to get it at times.

If, as Obama said, Wright is not the same man he knew 20 years ago, is it possible Wright may be suffering from dementia? He's 66 years old and he has this "100 mile stare" in his eyes. I've seen that look: My father had it. We told everyone in earshot about my father's "little problem" as he was completely unpredictable as to what he would do. One second he would be singing an aria from Pagliaci and the next second he'd be throwing his coffee cup.

Just my opinion, but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities for Wright.
 
In addition to being a "ladies man" extraordinaire, JFK also had ties to organized crime through his family's former source of income .......... bootlegging. He also had health problems for which he had to take "questionable" medication.

JFK wouldn't have got past IA in today's atmosphere. And it would've been a great loss to the country.

I don't think we're getting the best candidates with the current system. All we're getting is the last one standing. I don't think that's enough.

I think you hit the nail on the head. We are getting so much info on the candidates that we don't need to know and not hearing about the issues that we need to know about.

Does anyone really think we need to hear from "regular" people who know Obama? Over on the dark side they are going on and on about how we haven't heard from people Obama has helped. :confused3 What has that got to do with anything? I don't care what his college classmates thought about him, or his neighbors. How is some unknown persons thoughts more important than what Obama has said and done? We know that the Swift boaters lied about Kerry so why we would care good or bad what people say about Obama? I suppose he has made many friends and enemies along the way, so should we line them all up and see if he has more of one than the other?

I loved Rachel Madow last night. When asked if the Wright issues would go away she listed 3 or 4 importants things that had happened yesterday and then said all the news shows were leading with Wright, so who was making it an issue. I would hope that after today we won't have to hear anymore about the Rev. Maybe they'll actually talk about McSame's health care plan, which is to give families a $5000 tax credit. That would be good for me and DH, but I don't know how much a family with 2 kids living in CA or NY pays for health care. Of course no one was talking about that yesterday.
 
In addition to being a "ladies man" extraordinaire, JFK also had ties to organized crime through his family's former source of income .......... bootlegging. He also had health problems for which he had to take "questionable" medication.

JFK wouldn't have got past IA in today's atmosphere. And it would've been a great loss to the country.

I don't think we're getting the best candidates with the current system. All we're getting is the last one standing. I don't think that's enough
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Well said LuvDuke...we would never have had JFK if there had been a 24 hour news cycle back then....he had a lot of "dirty little secrets." In spite of his checkered life, he was one of those "once in a lifetime presidents". Today we just get the best attack machine as the new administration. I am not interested in who is the best attacker or the best political machine, I want the best person to lead the nation to better times, which in this particular election is so vitally important.
 
Clinton-McCain gas tax holiday slammed as bad idea

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A gas tax holiday proposed by U.S. presidential hopefuls John McCain and Hillary Clinton is viewed as a bad idea by many economists and has drawn unexpected support for Clinton rival Barack Obama, who also is opposed.

"Score one for Obama," wrote Greg Mankiw, a former chairman of President George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers. "In light of the side effects associated with driving ... gasoline taxes should be higher than they are, not lower."

Republican McCain and Democrat Clinton, who is battling Obama for their party's nomination, both want to suspend the 18.4-cents-per-gallon federal gas tax during the peak summer driving months to ease the pain of soaring gas prices. The tax is used to fund the Highway Trust Fund that builds and maintains roads and bridges.

Economists said that since refineries cannot increase their supply of gasoline in the space of a few summer months, lower prices will just boost demand and the benefits will flow to oil companies, not consumers.

"You are just going to push up the price of gas by almost the size of the tax cut," said Eric Toder, a senior fellow at the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center in Washington.

Obama criticized the plan as pure politics and said the only way to lower the price of gas is to use less oil.

"It would last for three months and it would save you on average half a tank of gas, $25 to $30. That's what Senator Clinton and Senator McCain are proposing to deal with the gas crisis," he said on Tuesday in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

"This isn't an idea designed to get you through the summer, it's an idea designed to get them through an election."

This stance has prompted Clinton to accuse him of being out of touch with ordinary Americans as she campaigns ahead of key presidential nomination contests in North Carolina and Indiana on May 6.

CLINTON AT THE PUMP

The New York senator was commuting to work in South Bend, Indiana, on Wednesday and planned to pump gas at a gas station to draw attention to her plan to suspend the gas tax on consumers and businesses.

"We will pay for it by imposing a windfall profits tax on the big oil companies," she said on Tuesday. "They sure can afford it. This is a big difference in this race. My opponent opposes giving consumers a break from the gas tax but I believe the American people are being squeezed pretty hard."

The cost of a gallon of gasoline has touched $4 in some parts of the country as oil prices nudge toward a record $120 per barrel, hammering drivers at a time when higher food prices and falling home values are already crimping U.S. consumers.

Many economists implicitly agreed with Obama and said the McCain-Clinton gas tax plan sent the wrong signal on energy efficiency and was at odds with their pledges to combat climate change by encouraging lower U.S. carbon emissions.

"I think it is a very bad idea," said Gilbert Metclaf, a economics professor at Tufts University currently working with the National Bureau of Economic Research.

"If we want people to invest in energy-saving cars, we need some assurance that the higher price paid for these cars is going to pay off through fuel savings," he said. "It is a very short-sighted, counterproductive proposal."

Economists also saw it is a poor way of getting money to the households that need it most and warned that it might end up in the cash tills of the oil companies.

"If you want to provide households tax relief, a direct rebate ... is more effective. Not all of the tax relief from a gas tax holiday will be passed on to consumers. Some will likely be kept by refiners," Mankiw said in an e-mail response.

New York Times columnist Paul Krugman was similarly underwhelmed: "It's Econ 101: the tax cut really goes to the oil companies," he wrote on his blog on Tuesday.

(Additional reporting by Jeff Mason in Winston-Salem, N.C., and Ellen Wulfhorst in Indianapolis)
 
Clinton-McCain gas tax holiday slammed as bad idea

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A gas tax holiday proposed by U.S. presidential hopefuls John McCain and Hillary Clinton is viewed as a bad idea by many economists and has drawn unexpected support for Clinton rival Barack Obama, who also is opposed.

"Score one for Obama," wrote Greg Mankiw, a former chairman of President George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers. "In light of the side effects associated with driving ... gasoline taxes should be higher than they are, not lower."

Republican McCain and Democrat Clinton, who is battling Obama for their party's nomination, both want to suspend the 18.4-cents-per-gallon federal gas tax during the peak summer driving months to ease the pain of soaring gas prices. The tax is used to fund the Highway Trust Fund that builds and maintains roads and bridges.

Economists said that since refineries cannot increase their supply of gasoline in the space of a few summer months, lower prices will just boost demand and the benefits will flow to oil companies, not consumers.

"You are just going to push up the price of gas by almost the size of the tax cut," said Eric Toder, a senior fellow at the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center in Washington.

Obama criticized the plan as pure politics and said the only way to lower the price of gas is to use less oil.
"It would last for three months and it would save you on average half a tank of gas, $25 to $30. That's what Senator Clinton and Senator McCain are proposing to deal with the gas crisis," he said on Tuesday in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

"This isn't an idea designed to get you through the summer, it's an idea designed to get them through an election."
This stance has prompted Clinton to accuse him of being out of touch with ordinary Americans as she campaigns ahead of key presidential nomination contests in North Carolina and Indiana on May 6.

CLINTON AT THE PUMP

The New York senator was commuting to work in South Bend, Indiana, on Wednesday and planned to pump gas at a gas station to draw attention to her plan to suspend the gas tax on consumers and businesses.

"We will pay for it by imposing a windfall profits tax on the big oil companies," she said on Tuesday. "They sure can afford it. This is a big difference in this race. My opponent opposes giving consumers a break from the gas tax but I believe the American people are being squeezed pretty hard."

The cost of a gallon of gasoline has touched $4 in some parts of the country as oil prices nudge toward a record $120 per barrel, hammering drivers at a time when higher food prices and falling home values are already crimping U.S. consumers.

Many economists implicitly agreed with Obama and said the McCain-Clinton gas tax plan sent the wrong signal on energy efficiency and was at odds with their pledges to combat climate change by encouraging lower U.S. carbon emissions.

"I think it is a very bad idea," said Gilbert Metclaf, a economics professor at Tufts University currently working with the National Bureau of Economic Research.

"If we want people to invest in energy-saving cars, we need some assurance that the higher price paid for these cars is going to pay off through fuel savings," he said. "It is a very short-sighted, counterproductive proposal."

Economists also saw it is a poor way of getting money to the households that need it most and warned that it might end up in the cash tills of the oil companies.

"If you want to provide households tax relief, a direct rebate ... is more effective. Not all of the tax relief from a gas tax holiday will be passed on to consumers. Some will likely be kept by refiners," Mankiw said in an e-mail response.

New York Times columnist Paul Krugman was similarly underwhelmed: "It's Econ 101: the tax cut really goes to the oil companies," he wrote on his blog on Tuesday.

(Additional reporting by Jeff Mason in Winston-Salem, N.C., and Ellen Wulfhorst in Indianapolis)

This is part of the reason I support Obama, he isn't afraid to go against something that on the surface seems like a good idea. He is looking long term whereas McShame and HRC are going on the "if it feels good, (and makes me look good) let do it," politics. Real solutions are rarely easy or fun.
 
This is part of the reason I support Obama, he isn't afraid to go against something that on the surface seems like a good idea. He is looking long term whereas McShame and HRC are going on the "if it feels good, (and makes me look good) let do it," politics. Real solutions are rarely easy or fun.

And even more often, they're going to politically unpopular. Yet, that doesn't seem to stop him from doing what he thinks needs to be done when the evidence is on his side. That's one of the several reasons why I actually agree with the "he's not a typical politician" characterization of Obama. Can you see Hillary doing something like this? :lmao:
 
(I saw the McShame/Bush pictures last week…
...I thought you guys would get a kick out of this one that is starting to go around the net)




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Passing of the (DEM) Torch..


:lmao:
 
Two Super's for Obama so far today...

Baron Hill (IN) set to endorse Obama today
Iowa Rep. Bruce Braley

Rumor has it there are more to come.....
 
(I saw the McShame/Bush pictures last week…
...I thought you guys would get a kick out of this one that is starting to go around the net)

:lmao:

That's the worst Photoshop job ever.
 
(I saw the McShame/Bush pictures last week…
...I thought you guys would get a kick out of this one that is starting to go around the net

Well the Bush ones were real. That one isn't even funny.
 
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