Not sure $149 Disney After Hrs event is doing well... (ETA: reviews in 1st post)

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All due respect, you really don't seem to want to engage in the conversation here. All the talk on this thread is about how this event clearly ISN'T selling out, and you come and drop hyperbole about the Tangled toilets.

Oops my bad. I'm clearly out of my element here. I will pick up my hyperbole and go home.:thumbsup2

This event shouldn't sell out but it probably will. Hopefully if it doesn't Disney will rethink their plan with these high priced special events.
 
Actually, it's very different. In the cruise line scenario, anyone can take advantage of the last minute fares if they are willing to gamble in hopes that the cruise will not sell out, and who is willing to accept any cabin that has not sold. The "waiting game" for lower cruise fares is a game that anyone can play. Here, Disney is not giving away free tickets to "anyone". 99% of the people in this world have no opportunity to share in this "free product" giveaway.

If you walked out of a grocery store having just purchased a package of Oreos, and on your way out there was a table where Nabisco reps were giving away for free the exact same size package of Oreos that you just bought, and you went back into the store to get a refund on your package so that you could pick up a freebie on the way out and you were told that your purchase was non-refundable, you would be ticked off. Admit it. You would be. And when you asked the customer service rep why there wasn't a sign over on the shelf where the Oreos are saying that there are free packages being offered on the way out of the store and the store worker just smirked and shrugged her shoulders, you'd be really, really ticked off. And if you had paid $149 for those Oreos instead of $5, you'd be really, really, really ticked off. Maybe none of your anger would be justified, because you paid fair market value for your Oreos, but that lack of justification would not stop you from being really, really, really ticked off.
The people getting the free tickets are those that belong to DVC. We pay dues. We have paid to be a member. It's a perk being offered that is free. The store thing has nothing to do with what they r doing. Totally diff then what is happening here. They r offering a perk to those who are members.
 
I was originally thinking it was about creating buzz, but isn't it also conceivable that they needed more bodies in there to test wait times? Disney more than any other amusement parks tries to keep the waits in a sweet spot. It's harder to know how many cars they want to run on these party nights if the first one is half empty. I feel like they are trying to tweak how many people they need to staff which rides. As rtkmom mentioned, if people are clinging to the same 5 rides, they would need more cars to keep the waits in check or what not.

Edit: If my supposition is right, DVC members should be thankful they were given the opportunity instead of using cast members to fill the spots as they've often done in the past. Instead of gloating for how they paid for "membership."

I think they should definitely get the clue that they need to lower the prices for these parties if it's only half sold.
 
They may decide to do this, but I bet they are not ready to concede the cost just yet. People like free a lot, and even though there may be some disgruntled guests who paid more and want a refund, they may get a lot of positive chatter that will boost attendance moving forward. Personally, I doubt this will be the hit they wanted it to be, but what do I know? LOL!
Plus to add. No one knows if it is flopping. That is an assumption. Dvd might have been given tickets for members and the total number of people might not have increased.
 

The people getting the free tickets are those that belong to DVC. We pay dues. We have paid to be a member. It's a perk being offered that is free. The store thing has nothing to do with what they r doing. Totally diff then what is happening here. They r offering a perk to those who are members.


I get your point, but its pretty funny when DVC holds a members only event (just like this is a paid private event) the DVC folks are the first to come on these boards and demand they better clear out all the non-dvc members because they don't pay dues/membership fees which is what entitles you to access to the event. Funny that doesn't seem to hold when the tables are turned. - I should note, I am a DVC owner :)
 
I get your point, but its pretty funny when DVC holds a members only event (just like this is a paid private event) the DVC folks are the first to come on these boards and demand they better clear out all the non-dvc members because they don't pay dues/membership fees which is what entitles you to access to the event. Funny that doesn't seem to hold when the tables are turned. - I should note, I am a DVC owner :)
All I'm saying is that Disney has the right to offer this free as a perk cause people think everyone should get it for free. I'm not saying people should be cleared out if not members or anything. Whole point I'm saying is why can't Disney offer something as a perk. Let's take DVC out of it. They can offer it to season pass holders as a perk. They get perks too. Giving a perk to someone that belongs to something isn't wrong or bad.
 
I find it interesting that they opened it up to DVC- gave out that limit and then noted those were "sold out" to other DVC members, but that you can still get online at WDW's website and buy tickets for tonight. They either held some of the "capacity" back for any last minute anticipated sales, or they figure the few extra people they sell to at the last minute won't make a difference. MickeyMinnieMom please do report back. I'm very interested to see what the lines are like. I would not pay $470 for a few extra hours and a Mickey Head Ice Cream bar, but if I did, the only reason my family would do so would be to ride Peter Pan and 7DMT over and over. Our number of Peter Pan rides on an MK day has been severely limited since FP+ (luckily DD is older so she does not get upset like she would have when she was a preschooler, but she still would like to ride it more). My fear would be that a lot of the other attendees would have the same idea. I know at MVMCP and MNSSHP the lines for Peter Pan and 7DMT are still consistently long, while things like Space Mountain and BTMRR can be walk on. I am interested to see how long those lines are for a night without other events to draw people away like you see at the parties- and with this event supposedly limited to 6000. Doesn't 7DMT have a capacity of 1200 to 1400 people per hour and Peter Pan only 700 to 800 people per hour? . If that is the capacity and a good number of people bought tickets for short waits on those 2 rides, then the lines for those rides could still wind up being huge --particularly if for a given day people buy tickets to spread out their time among all the rides, and for a given 5 hour party people buy tickets for the party events, but for this high dollar event people bought tickets expecting shorter lines for 7DMT and Peter Pan. If so, that means that in the 3 hour period after park close if all 6000 people expected to ride 7DMT and Peter Pan- that neither ride could accommodate all the ticket holders for even 1 ride in that 3 hour period. I would be livid if I spent $470 for extra hours expecting short lines for Peter Pan and 7DMT and instead found lines for both at 40 minutes or more the whole time. It will be interesting to see what the reports are from tonight!
 
As a PP stated at 6000 that is 240 people per attraction if the number of attractions is exactly 25 (it's possibly more than 25). That is if everyone is in line or riding at once which is impossible. People are getting off, eating ice cream, using the restroom, walking between attractions, eating, shopping, etc. It's been said that 7DMT can run 100 people every 5 min. So that's about a 10 min. wait at most. Some attractions have even higher capacity. Certain rides may be more popular than others but the attractions are spread out all over the park so there is some walking going on. Letting people in at 7 should disperse the party crowd more evenly around the park so that there is not a 6000 person rush for 7DMT at 10. What will be more interesting to me is how they handle park closing. Normally if you are in line at closing, you get to ride. Partygoers will be very unhappy if there is a huge line for 7DMT at closing that they must await behind or any other ride. They are going to have to cut lines off earlier than closing I would think. That may make those who paid regular admission unhappy as well. Waiting to see how it goes tonight.
 
A friend is flying today. She paid $xxx for her ticket. The person sitting right next to her? That person could have paid a quarter of what she paid. Or 4 times what she paid.
Again, like the cruise cabin analogy, it is not the same thing. Yes, the person who is sitting next to you on the plane may have paid less for their ticket than you did. But you had an equal opportunity to pay exactly what they paid. All you had to do is replicate the exact set of circumstances that led them to the rate they got. There is no disparate treatment if everyone had the same opportunity to capitalize on the lower fare.
 
I'm trying to figure out how they can determine whether this event would predict whether or not guests would pay for EMH. Right now they are having EMH on Wednesdays (for nothing) and after hours on Thursdays (for $150). Wouldn't those eligible for EMH just go to the EMH?

If they'd rather have a paid event and no EMH, why not just drop EMH anyway without doing a test to see if people would pay for EMH? If nobody pays for it, they just stop all the after hours stuff completely. Then they don't have to staff the parks at any time after regular closing hours. Money saved.

If the capacity is even under 10K it's going to seem like an empty park.

That's a heckuva perk for DVC if they can get it. Maybe in response to the complaints about not enough DVC perks and removal of DVC perks.
 
But don't party guests for the other parties also get in 3 hours early (4 pm for a 7 pm park close/party start)? And the park closes 3 hours earlier than it should. I'd be more annoyed paying full price for a park ticket and getting kicked out 3 hours early.
But you're not getting kicked out 3 hours early. The park closes at exactly the hour that was advertised. Dates for the Halloween and Christmas parties are already posted and it is only April. Anyone who goes to the MK on a day when they get "kicked out" at 7:00 knows well in advance that this is what the hours will be. This Extra Magic nonsense was sprung on guests with two weeks' notice. Very, very, very different. With little (none, actually) opportunity to make changes to ADRs and FPs, Disney swapped some dates of EMHs, which we all know can change a park from a "Most Recommended" to a "Not Recommended" in an instant. And it added special events at night which can have the exact same impact on park recommendations. The shifting of the morning EMHs is the bigger deal here, because it looks as if the evening event isn't going to add too many people to the MK on the day we will be there. But that is not for a lack of Disney trying.
 
That is true. For the Night event the park is closing at 11 (or 10) as it is regularly scheduled to do. Nobody is getting kicked out early and the park is not closing earlier than previously advertised.

7 PM is regular closing time for the Halloween/Christmas parties. Used to be they would clear the park at 6. So now there's another hour involved. And those hours are posted well in advance. And they can close their park whenever they like. Universal closes one park at 5 or so when they have Halloween Horror Nights.
 
The people getting the free tickets are those that belong to DVC. We pay dues. We have paid to be a member. It's a perk being offered that is free.
I would concede that point if and only if the "perk" were known in advance such that someone could have made a purchase decision based on the availability of that perk. If it is a gift that is bestowed unannounced, then it isn't anything that you paid dues for. And it isn't anything that could possibly have influenced your decision to be, or not be, a DVC member. Implicit in your post is the idea that if one wants to get in free, one should join DVC. That only works if one knows in advance that being a member of DVC will confer that right upon them.
 
As a PP stated at 6000 that is 240 people per attraction if the number of attractions is exactly 25 (it's possibly more than 25). That is if everyone is in line or riding at once which is impossible. People are getting off, eating ice cream, using the restroom, walking between attractions, eating, shopping, etc. It's been said that 7DMT can run 100 people every 5 min. So that's about a 10 min. wait at most. Some attractions have even higher capacity. Certain rides may be more popular than others but the attractions are spread out all over the park so there is some walking going on. Letting people in at 7 should disperse the party crowd more evenly around the park so that there is not a 6000 person rush for 7DMT at 10. What will be more interesting to me is how they handle park closing. Normally if you are in line at closing, you get to ride. Partygoers will be very unhappy if there is a huge line for 7DMT at closing that they must await behind or any other ride. They are going to have to cut lines off earlier than closing I would think. That may make those who paid regular admission unhappy as well. Waiting to see how it goes tonight.

Its not widely publicized, but the travel agent promo material said it would take up to am hour to clear non event guests. That suggests to me the people who get in line at 9:59 will be allowed to finish & then head out. Other posters here have suggested event goers would use FP line while day guests use standby in that time
 
I would concede that point if and only if the "perk" were known in advance such that someone could have made a purchase decision based on the availability of that perk. If it is a gift that is bestowed unannounced, then it isn't anything that you paid dues for. And it isn't anything that could possibly have influenced your decision to be, or not be, a DVC member. Implicit in your post is the idea that if one wants to get in free, one should join DVC. That only works if one knows in advance that being a member of DVC will confer that right upon them.

From what I understand, they can't use dues for events like this. Especially now that they are restricting resale buyers.
 
I wouldn't expect a price drop, they will just kill it rather than do that.

And isn't this sad? Because...

This After Hours PM party has great potential.
I agree. But if Disney kills it without following through on its "test" to see what the right price point will be, we all lose. It's hard to imagine this conversation:

Executive #1: We are pulling the plug on the After Hours Event at the MK. Didn't sell enough tickets.

Executive #2: Did you try a different price point?

Executive #1: Nah. Why bother.

Somebody must have slept through class the day the teacher went over the scientific method of testing. I can't recall anyone reporting here that they received a survey asking what they would pay for a 3 hour event in the MK. But even if there had been such a survey, I promise you that the result was not "Around $150". Bottom line, Disney has no clue what the perfect price point for this event is, and it looks like they have no interest in finding out.
 
And isn't this sad? Because...


I agree. But if Disney kills it without following through on its "test" to see what the right price point will be, we all lose. It's hard to imagine this conversation:

Executive #1: We are pulling the plug on the After Hours Event at the MK. Didn't sell enough tickets.

Executive #2: Did you try a different price point?

Executive #1: Nah. Why bother.

Somebody must have slept through class the day the teacher went over the scientific method of testing. I can't recall anyone reporting here that they received a survey asking what they would pay for a 3 hour event in the MK. But even if there had been such a survey, I promise you that the result was not "Around $150". Bottom line, Disney has no clue what the perfect price point for this event is, and it looks like they have no interest in finding out.

Fully agree about scientific method problems! Many theories on DIS about what, exactly, they may be testing, but none seem to quite fit any controlled comparison. Possibly they're looking at it as evidence for more than one analysis. . . It doesnt have to mean they have "no interest" in clean results, but simply that they're not particularly good at it.
 
The people getting the free tickets are those that belong to DVC. We pay dues. We have paid to be a member. It's a perk being offered that is free. The store thing has nothing to do with what they r doing. Totally diff then what is happening here. They r offering a perk to those who are members.
You pay dues for maintenance of the DVC properties and you've paid to be a member of Disney's timeshare program. DVC and the parks are two different things.
 
It doesnt have to mean they have "no interest" in clean results, but simply that they're not particularly good at it.
The age old debate. Is Disney incompetent or indifferent. Seems like it has to be one or the other. But plenty of people here tell us that Disney is run by a bunch of geniuses who "play chess while we play checkers." I have no idea what draws them to that conclusion. Seems like there are plenty of execs at Disney who are of very average intellect and who possess very average management skills.
 
You pay dues for maintenance of the DVC properties and you've paid to be a member of Disney's timeshare program. DVC and the parks are two different things.

Right. Responding to the quote above "The people getting the free tickets are those that belong to DVC. We pay dues. We have paid to be a member. It's a perk being offered that is free." Dues is not paying for this.
 
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