No passport, but Global Entry card

[xiphoid76]

Are you flying for your cruise? I have Nexus and they still ask for my passeport.

Yes flying, but I have my drivers license for that.

 

[lanejudy]

What does the biggest mean?

I believe the poster meant that it doesn’t reslly matter whether you get off in port or not. If a specific port requires a passport, it will be required to board the cruise at initial embarkation, regardless of individual intentions at that port.

Your cruise doesn’t have any ports that require a passport. I can’t answer the question about a Global Entry Card other than what you copied from the DCL site appears that it would be acceptable. I’m interested in the final determination.

Enjoy your cruise!

 

[mevelandry]

Yes flying, but I have my drivers license for that.

Sorry, I never did "domestic" flights. Did not know you did not need a passport for that (I'm surprised, considering the world we live in.) ...

 

[dad of 3 addicted to DCL]

I would call DCL and ask. In the end, their policy is what matters.

 

[LYSE]

You'll be delayed.....a while so that's a problem.

Will you be?

If your flown back GE is specifically issued by us customs and border protection for entry into the country and specifically entry by air.

 

[scottb8888]

So, on a Disney Cruise this summer. Isn't it wise to to ashore with your passports in case something happens and you can't get back on the ship??

 

[xiphoid76]

Called Disney - hate doing that, because I dont trust something not in writing...and they referred me to the website.

So it looks like a Global Entry card is acceptable for documentation instead of a passport at Port Canaveral for round trip cruises. That is good to know...I have used Global Entry kiosks multiple times coming back from international trips, but have never used it for a cruise before. I didn't even think about it. I can also use it at the airport for domestic flights at the TSA checkpoint for identification instead of drivers license or passport which is nice to know.

This helps me so much as I hate giving up control of my passport to the Chinese Consulate for a few weeks while they review my Visa application - now I can relax a bit as I can send it in a little earlier to the Consulate and hopefully it will be in my mailbox when I get back from the cruise and then I can enjoy China

Thanks for all the feedback - its amazing that google can answer so many questions, but sometimes, disboards is better!

 

[T & R]

The proof of citizenship is the birth certificate.

A U.S. birth certificate is not proof of U.S. Citizenship. Children of foreign consulate personnel/diplomats who are born in the U.S. receive U.S. birth certificates but are not granted U.S. citizenship. Also, you can have a U.S. birth certificate but have renounced your citizenship for tax or residency reasons. A birth certificate only proves you were born in the U.S. Not trying to be nitpicky but the only undeniable proof of U.S. citizenship is a valid U.S. Passport.

 

[lanejudy]

A U.S. birth certificate is not proof of U.S. Citizenship. Children of foreign consulate personnel/diplomats who are born in the U.S. receive U.S. birth certificates but are not granted U.S. citizenship. Also, you can have a U.S. birth certificate but have renounced your citizenship for tax or residency reasons. A birth certificate only proves you were born in the U.S. Not trying to be nitpicky but the only undeniable proof of U.S. citizenship is a valid U.S. Passport.

In the situation about which the PP was commenting, the birth certificate absolutely is considered proof of citizenship as allowed by the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol. And for the vast majority of U.S. citizens, our birth certificate is the only proof of citizenship we have unless we obtain a Passport as it is the documentation required for of us to obtain said Passport.

You are correct that there can be circumstances where a U.S. birth certificate would not prove U.S. citizenship. Under most circumstances, a baby born on U.S. soil is considered a citizen of the United States by birthright citizenship. Those born to foreign diplomats fall into a loophole who receive a birth certificate but are not granted U.S. citizenship as per the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. One must be an adult to renounce birthright citizenship in any other circumstance.

I don't know that any of this helps the OP, who apparently does not have possession of their valid U.S. birth certificate and will not have their Passport, but does have a Global Entry card. If time allows, I'd recommend the OP obtain a copy of their birth certificate through the state where they were born or through VitalCheck. The cost is relatively minimal and would provide that back-up documentation. Otherwise, it does seem as though the Global Entry card may be acceptable -- I don't recall seeing a NEXUS or SENTRI lane or kiosk at Port Canaveral, but I never thought to look.

Enjoy your cruise!

 

[mmmears]

Glad to hear that it should work out for you. I don’t remember the details (it was a few years ago now) but when I got my Global Entry Card the person stresses that I would still need to show my passport. I know the rules are different for closed loop cruises and international flights but I didn’t realize the card could be good enough for a cruise. Interesting.

 

[T & R]

You are correct that there can be circumstances where a U.S. birth certificate would not prove U.S. citizenship

Thanks

 

[PrincessShmoo]

So, on a Disney Cruise this summer. Isn't it wise to to ashore with your passports in case something happens and you can't get back on the ship??

Most ports you are not required to take your passport ashore. In fact, most cruise lines recommend keeping you passport in the safe in your room onboard. For reboarding the ship you'll need your ship's card and (for those 18 and over) a government issued photo ID. Most people use a driver's license.

The chances of a passport being stolen while onshore are greater than the chances of you missing the ship.

If you do miss the ship, the security people onboard will enter your room, open the safe and retrieve your passport to leave with the port agent for you to get once you show up.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

I've never heard of a global entry or any other clearance card being accepted by US Customs as proof of citizenship.

The government says:

U.S. citizens on closed-loop cruises will be able to enter or depart the country with proof of citizenship, such as an Enhanced Driver's License (EDL), a government-issued birth certificate (issued by the Vital Records Department in the state where he or she was born) or passport, and if 16 or older, a government issued driver's license, picture ID, denoting photo, name and date of birth.

Note: The Enhanced Driver's License (EDL) allows you to re-enter the U.S. from Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean. The EDL is only accepted at land and sea border crossings, not for air travel.

Now they say "such as," not "these are the only documents you can use" and there is apparently another website that says Global Entry is acceptable. If you're going somewhere that requires a passport you would be out of luck but I don't think you are if it's just the Bahamas.

Should you need to depart the cruise and travel by air, I don't think you'd be able to do that without a passport.

 

[Anchors Away 2016]

Thanks, I don’t have a copy of my birth certificate - I could ask for it from PA.

I know this wasn't your original question, and it sounds like you will be all set for your cruise (Yay!), but I just wanted to point out that for many states (I have done CT and NJ, but not PA) you can now get a certified replacement of your Birth Certificate just by going to the state website, paying a few bucks and waiting about 4 weeks for it to come in the mail. Pretty painless. Even if you can't get it in time for your trip, it might be good to have, but perhaps you'd rather not. I only say it because I had put off getting a replacement for several years, thinking it would be a real hassle, only to find out it was easy. Sorry if I'm telling you things you already know.

 

[CyndiLouWho]

I know this wasn't your original question, and it sounds like you will be all set for your cruise (Yay!), but I just wanted to point out that for many states (I have done CT and NJ, but not PA) you can now get a certified replacement of your Birth Certificate just by going to the state website, paying a few bucks and waiting about 4 weeks for it to come in the mail. Pretty painless. Even if you can't get it in time for your trip, it might be good to have, but perhaps you'd rather not. I only say it because I had put off getting a replacement for several years, thinking it would be a real hassle, only to find out it was easy. Sorry if I'm telling you things you already know.

This is true but some localities have same day service as well. I was born in Chicago and can go to the courthouse, pay my money and walk out with an official BC minutes later. My husband was born in VA, so we ordered his BC online.

 

[Anchors Away 2016]

This is true but some localities have same day service as well. I was born in Chicago and can go to the courthouse, pay my money and walk out with an official BC minutes later. My husband was born in VA, so we ordered his BC online.

Sure. It just sounded like the OP was no longer living near the state he was born in.

 

[xiphoid76]

Sure. It just sounded like the OP was no longer living near the state he was born in.

I am in Minnesota now, born in PA. I will still try to get a copy of my birth certificate - I lost my original in a move, but it is wise to get one again. Just a fun fact for no one in particular - the town I was born in and listed on my birth certificate no longer exists (it was assumed by another town nearby - actually it was a province and not an actual town- long boring story). My hospital birth certificate (which I know from experience is not the official state one) lists the new town, but my official one from the state lists the old defunct town. Just a fun complicating factor when security questions ask "Where were you born?" Yes, this was annoying too when applying for my Global Entry card. OK, back to my day job...

 

[swooshbear]

Called Disney - hate doing that, because I dont trust something not in writing...and they referred me to the website.

So it looks like a Global Entry card is acceptable for documentation instead of a passport at Port Canaveral for round trip cruises. That is good to know...I have used Global Entry kiosks multiple times coming back from international trips, but have never used it for a cruise before. I didn't even think about it. I can also use it at the airport for domestic flights at the TSA checkpoint for identification instead of drivers license or passport which is nice to know.

This helps me so much as I hate giving up control of my passport to the Chinese Consulate for a few weeks while they review my Visa application - now I can relax a bit as I can send it in a little earlier to the Consulate and hopefully it will be in my mailbox when I get back from the cruise and then I can enjoy China

Thanks for all the feedback - its amazing that google can answer so many questions, but sometimes, disboards is better!

To get our Visas, we worked with an agency and we had our visa/passports back within one week. It was an extra $100 fee per person but well worth it, saved us a bunch of time and stress. Shanghai Disneyland is amazing and we are glad we got the 10 year visa because we are going back for sure.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

To get our Visas, we worked with an agency and we had our visa/passports back within one week. It was an extra $100 fee per person but well worth it, saved us a bunch of time and stress. Shanghai Disneyland is amazing and we are glad we got the 10 year visa because we are going back for sure.

We, also, used a visa service to get our China visas. Just not worth the heartache, time, and travel involved to do it ourselves. If I recall correctly, I think it took about a week to get them.

We visited Shanghai Disneyland when we were there, really liked it.

 

[bumbershoot]

I can’t answer the question about a Global Entry Card other than what you copied from the DCL site appears that it would be acceptable.

I disagree.

Land or Sea Travel: U.S. citizens entering the United States by land or sea are required to present a valid WHTI-compliant document, which include:

- U.S. Passports

- U.S. Passport Cards

- Enhanced Driver's Licenses

- Trusted Traveler Cards (Global Entry*, NEXUS, SENTRI, or FAST

- Military Identification Cards (for members of the U.S. armed official maritime business)

* The Global Entry (GE) card is only an ENTRY document and may not be used to enter Canada, Mexico or Adjacent Island.

To me this means the Ge card will get you back IN, but it won’t get you out. And getting out is the important part.

So, on a Disney Cruise this summer. Isn't it wise to to ashore with your passports in case something happens and you can't get back on the ship??

Many lines suggest keeping the pport in your safe for many ports.

And for the vast majority of U.S. citizens, our birth certificate is the only proof of citizenship we have unless we obtain a Passport as it is the documentation required for of us to obtain said Passport.

Agreed

I've never heard of a global entry or any other clearance card being accepted by US Customs as proof of citizenship.

Same.

I am in Minnesota now, born in PA. I will still try to get a copy of my birth certificate - I lost my original in a move, but it is wise to get one again. Just a fun fact for no one in particular - the town I was born in and listed on my birth certificate no longer exists (it was assumed by another town nearby - actually it was a province and not an actual town- long boring story). My hospital birth certificate (which I know from experience is not the official state one) lists the new town, but my official one from the state lists the old defunct town. Just a fun complicating factor when security questions ask "Where were you born?" Yes, this was annoying too when applying for my Global Entry card. OK, back to my day job...

Contact PA and get a new certified copy.

As for it being weird, I disagree. Just because the town doesn’t exist now doesn’t mean you weren’t born there.

http://www.health.pa.gov/MyRecords/Certificates/Pages/11596.aspx#ordering


Looks like you can use vitalchek or order by phone or mail. (Or in person but that’s a drive lol)

That way you’ll have the BC and ID. You can see if the GE card gets you onboard as research for us.