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[Chuck S]

Simba's Mom,

No, it will not impact you at all. Here is a scenario it would impact...

If you had a 100p BCV contract with June use year, and an OKW contract with December use year...under the "old" way, you could transfer OKW points to your BCV account, allowing you to use OKW points for BCV at the 11 month priority window.

Another example, someone with a 50 point BCV contract could get member "A" to transfer 20 points to their account, member "B" to transfer 30 points, and member "C" to transfer 50 points...giving the BCV owner a total of 150 points to use during the 11 month window, when they actually only have a 50 point contract.

The new enforcement means that they could only get ONE of those transfers per use year.

 

[spiceycat]

Can someone explain "Transfer" to me like I was a DVC newbie (which is what I feel like now)? We've owned DVC for 4 1/2 years; we have 100 BCV points (+ 210 OKW points), and this is what we'd do if we needed a BCV reservation using more than 100 points-book up to 100 points worth at 11 months, then at 7 months we'd take points from our OKW contract for the rest. We're booking a trip soon, and were planning to do this. Would "transfer" impact this? Will the new MS rules impact this? I really appreciate the help-I feel so unknowledgeable.

you are fine.

transfer is when one member transfers their points to another member.

or when one member has multiply use year and transfers to his other accounts. this could be a majority problem.

look at each use year as a contract. if you have multiply use years then this could be a problem. but you don't. (you get multiply use year by buying through a resalers not DVC)

 

[Inkmahm]

if you do what you say - one year using BWV, the next year using VWL - you will be fine.

you can only transfer points in one uy per year.... so you can do BWV this year and VWL next year.

banking and borrowing aren't the same as a transfer. You will be fine. You only have one use year so you don't need to transfer to use your points.

No, that's not exactly what I said. We will do BOTH BWV and VWL each year- two trips per year, one in spring and one in early December.

Here's what I said: "One transfer per use year? What if we have an Oct UY master contract for BWV and two add on contracts for VWL, also with Oct UY. We purchased all the points this year and plan to use DVC for 2 visits each year in the future, one to each of the locations where we own so that we can take advantage of 11 month booking windows."

What if I need to transfer in points for the BWV reservation for the year, I can't also transfer in points for the VWL reservation for the year? I think I may still be okay with being able to borrow from future years...

 

[Simba's Mom]

Whew, thanks very much! Sounds as if all people like me are being told is that we can't do what we never knew enough to do in the first place (does that make sense?)

 

[Caskbill]

No, that's not exactly what I said. We will do BOTH BWV and VWL each year- two trips per year, one in spring and one in early December.

Here's what I said: "One transfer per use year? What if we have an Oct UY master contract for BWV and two add on contracts for VWL, also with Oct UY. We purchased all the points this year and plan to use DVC for 2 visits each year in the future, one to each of the locations where we own so that we can take advantage of 11 month booking windows."

What if I need to transfer in points for the BWV reservation for the year, I can't also transfer in points for the VWL reservation for the year? I think I may still be okay with being able to borrow from future years...

You have a single contract. Your add-on's share the same contract number. You don't need to do any transfers at all.

Now, if you're saying you need additional points for a reservation, points you're going to rent from someone, then you could only have one transfer into your account. You're currently in your 2005 UY. If tomorrow you transferred points from some other member into your BWV account, then you're done for the remainder of 2005. You could not transfer more points, from another different member, into your VWL account until you were into your 2006 UY (Which begins 10/1/06).

But if you're just saying you're using banking/borrowing to swap between which of your two resorts you're using for the 11-month window, then you're not doing any transfers at all.

 

[paeskie]

This has been confusing me for some time, and now seems the perfect time to bring it up.

Here is a quote from the FAQ on the Rent/Transfer Board:
C. Points for Transfer: Posting of willingness to Transfer points to another DVC-Member. In this situation, no reservation is made, but an offer to transfer points directly from one member's account to another member's account. NOTE: DVC rules prohibit the transfer of points in exchange for any type of compensation.

Is the final statement truly in the written rules? If so, what will happen when DVC starts enforcing this rule?

 

[JimMIA]

No, that's not exactly what I said. We will do BOTH BWV and VWL each year- two trips per year, one in spring and one in early December.

Here's what I said: "One transfer per use year? What if we have an Oct UY master contract for BWV and two add on contracts for VWL, also with Oct UY. We purchased all the points this year and plan to use DVC for 2 visits each year in the future, one to each of the locations where we own so that we can take advantage of 11 month booking windows."

What if I need to transfer in points for the BWV reservation for the year, I can't also transfer in points for the VWL reservation for the year? I think I may still be okay with being able to borrow from future years...

I think I read a post from Doc that answers that exact scenario, and I'm hoping he'll look back in and answer it for you. I hesitate to try to paraphrase what he said for fear of giving you incorrect info.

If Doc doesn't see your post, you might want to either PM him or call MS and get that clear.

 

[Inkmahm]

Now, if you're saying you need additional points for a reservation, points you're going to rent from someone, then you could only have one transfer into your account. You're currently in your 2005 UY. If tomorrow you transferred points from some other member into your BWV account, then you're done for the remainder of 2005. You could not transfer more points, from another different member, into your VWL account until you were into your 2006 UY (Which begins 10/1/06).

Yes, that's exactly what I was asking.

Maybe I SHOULD have taken a different UY for the VWL points compared to the BWV points... Then they'd be two different contracts and I'd be able to transfer in or out out of each of them each year.

 

[Chuck S]

Yes, that's exactly what I was asking.

Maybe I SHOULD have taken a different UY for the VWL points compared to the BWV points... Then they'd be two different contracts and I'd be able to transfer in or out out of each of them each year.

So, say you have enough points for 5 nights at VWL, but you want to stay 7..and do not want to use any of your BWV points..there is still at least three options

1) Pay cash for the addiinal two nights at VWL
2) Rent a reservation from another member for the additonal two nights.*
3) Find one member that can transfer enough points at one time to cover both your BWV and VWL reservations.

*The downside is you must trust the member you rent from to not cancel your ressie, and you can not easily cancel or change dates yourself.

 

[Beca]

Yes, that's exactly what I was asking.

Maybe I SHOULD have taken a different UY for the VWL points compared to the BWV points... Then they'd be two different contracts and I'd be able to transfer in or out out of each of them each year.

From what I have heard about the new "system" (or, at least the enforcing of the new system), is that it is one trade per MEMBER, not member contract. But, as I write this I am wondering, "How would MS enforce that?"
Can someone clear that up for me? Is it one transfer per MEMBER as I was told, or is it one transfer per CONTRACT? Hmmm....

Either way, if you have two contracts and are trying to transfer points from one to another, you would still be done for the year.

 

[KANSAS]

beca
Thank you first for all your valuable input

I called DVC ms today. They told me one transfer,either way, per use year.


if a person has an october use year+ they own 25 contracts at (7) differetn DVC REsorts
under the same October/use year

If they transfer out or transfer in
1 or 1000
of the october/2006 points

they cannot do another transfer for the year.

 

[kimberh]

I almost hate to ask, but just to be clear, I own 2 properties. Right now I am in Oct 05 uy and Apr 06 uy. This morning before I knew this I excepted a transfer, into the april 06, so I can figure, I am done with it until apr 07. my question is my Oct 05 is still open, Right? Then when Oct 06 comes around I will be able to except a transfer for oct 06? Am I understanding this?

Kim

 

[Beca]

beca
Thank you first for all your valuable input

I called DVC ms today. They told me one transfer,either way, per use year.


if a person has an october use year+ they own 25 contracts at (7) differetn DVC REsorts
under the same October/use year

If they transfer out or transfer in
1 or 1000
of the october/2006 points

they cannot do another transfer for the year.

Oh...so, if a person has two UY's, they can have TWO transfers?

Obviously, the exception to this would be if they transferred to/from themselves...that one transaction would be a transfer for each use year?

I hope I am understanding this right.

Thanks!

Beca

 

[Plutofan]

I was told this morning that it was per member.

 

[Plutofan]

So, say you have enough points for 5 nights at VWL, but you want to stay 7..and do not want to use any of your BWV points..there is still at least three options

1) Pay cash for the addiinal two nights at VWL
2) Rent a reservation from another member for the additonal two nights.*
3) Find one member that can transfer enough points at one time to cover both your BWV and VWL reservations.

*The downside is you must trust the member you rent from to not cancel your ressie, and you can not easily cancel or change dates yourself.

I am not sure if this is correct but for item 2 I was previosly told that the reservations would not be linked so you would have to check out and check back in. Possiibly into a new room. Disney will now probably have more people booking the 25% member discount to make up for the lost rooms.

 

[Beca]

Now, I am really confused....in this case, does a UY mean a "calendar UY", or does it mean if I have two different UY's (say an Aug contract and a Sept contract) that I can have two transfers?

Most members do NOT have multiple UY's, so DVC might just be "general" in their responses when they say "per member". If a member has two different member numbers, is DVC really going to make a note under one member # account that they cannot do even ONE transfer under that member # because they have made a transfer under another member #?

The term "use year" can be very confusing...



Beca

 

[kimberh]

I have 2 member numbers and I am very confused. I never even received paperwork, just the 2 little books, this is all news to me. When I have called MS I get different answers, it depends on who I talk to....(not about this but other things with Transferring) I'm afraid to ask about this, I don't want to ruin my chance of a Oct 06 transfer ,If I can get one.

 

[greenban]

POP Villas, the turn of the Century.

TOO FUNNY! And Way Suprising!!!

-Tony

 

[Beca]

I have 2 member numbers and I am very confused. I never even received paperwork, just the 2 little books, this is all news to me. When I have called MS I get different answers, it depends on who I talk to....(not about this but other things with Transferring) I'm afraid to ask about this, I don't want to ruin my chance of a Oct 06 transfer ,If I can get one.

The way I am understanding it is this....if you have two member numbers, you can have two transfers (one per member number). The only exception is this...since each ONE transfer actually counts as TWO transfers in DVC's system (one for the person transferring away, and one for the person transferring in), if you are transferring points from one of your member #'s to the other one....that is using BOTH of your transfers in that one transaction.



Beca

 

[greenban]

It is still very early in the enforcement. But I did a transfer in today to my 2007 December UY. I wanted half the points in one sub account and half in another. MS would not allow that as it would be 2 transfers. So I transferred them into one sub-account.

Here is the kicker, I received 4 transfer confirmation numbers of differnt point amount totalling to the total transferred in.

So here is what I am assuming. The person who transferred to me was allowed to transfer out of four sub-accounts of the same Master contract, but I was not allowed to split the transfer into my same Master Contract sub-accounts. Whether this is the rule, or error, or I got lucky, I don't yet know.

-Tony