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[doubletrouble_vb]

I can understand wanting to cut down on transfers ...but it seems to me you should have some flexibility transferring points amongst your own accounts.

Tis my fervent hope that come the day they can identify the "point of origin" they'll go back to being a little more flexible on transfers. Maybe something as small as letting you bank and borrow transfer opportunities. That way if you have a once in a blue moon family event you'll be able to do up to three transfers (last years, this years, next years).

 

[kimberh]

Actually, in that scenario, the typical DVC owner will have the same options we've always had -- rent or transfer. We just won't be able to make multiple transfers in the same direction like we were previously permitted to do...with a blind eye to the transfer rules that have always been there. I try to read the whole thread before saying things like that. That question has already been asked and answered -- and the correct answer is exactly the opposite of what you are saying. Not unless Disney steals the tax money! Tax money doesn't go to Disney! It goes to the state and county. Please read the thread to see where that "breakage income" goes.

I did read the THREAD, and I guess we will just wait and see how much our maintenance go down. It would thrill me, as I am a owner, at 2 locations. I also know that a lot of rooms were being rented on the secondary market that will not be rented now. Actually, it will be very hard to find someone to take a few points off of your hands when they are limited to one transfer. I have helped many out in this situation. Now I will not waste my one transfer on 8 points. That's part of what I was saying.
Kim

 

[Chuck S]

...All three said that the next DVC has infact been announced to them.

"Everyone is gonna be suprised!" was the direct quoted response each gave when pressed.

And no, they would not even give me a hint.

POP Villas, the turn of the Century.

 

[Plutofan]

Did MS say when we would be told?

Kim

I was told that if a guide releases the new DVC that that person would be fired. They are pre-selling phase 3 at SSR and sales are going fast. Current members are getting an October use year so they have to wait to get their points. Just thought that this was interesting.

 

[JimMIA]

Actually, it will be very hard to find someone to take a few points off of your hands when they are limited to one transfer. I have helped many out in this situation. Now I will not waste my one transfer on 8 points. That's part of what I was saying.

I'm sure you're right about that, although you never know. MS might make an occasional exception if they can see that's what you're doing. I think MS's real intent is to stop the trafficking in points by people who are moving hundreds of points around to facilitate their travel agent businesses...and to cut their call volume, and therefore their cost.

 

[JimMIA]

POP Villas, the turn of the Century.

Which century?

I'm betting on EP -- not that I'd buy or stay there, just for the economics like Beca was talking about above.

 

[Chuck S]

I'm thinking EP, too, actually...but it wouldn't be "surprising" as Tony indicated...POP Villas would definitely be a surprise

Sorry, took this thread off topic...I guess we should start a new "surprise" speculation thread.

 

[LIFERBABE]

Maybe MS could not close the loophole of transferred points taking on the resort they were transferred into, so they limit the transfer itself.

I can see where the bulk of the 11 month ressies will not go to "big time renters" but now they will go to "small time renters".

I still don't see 7 month availability opening up (although I dont think it is as big of a problem as portrayed here).

What I do see is the 11 month window opening up for the owners of the smaller resorts.

My scenario is this, you have a 50 point BCV contract (sold off the rest or resale), you pay MF's for that 50 points ($250/yr) You then transfer in a slew of points from all sources for cheap $6-$8 per point. You can then make a slew of reservations at BCV at the 11 month window and get $12-$16 per point on Ebay or here. All for $250 a year. The BCV owners are the ones being shut out, and it has nothing to do with SSR and 7 months. Those reservations will never trickle down to the 7 month window. They will just last longer than 0930 am at the 11 month window.

I have 2 UY's so I do see where my life just got more difficult. And I do understand this is not a change but an enforcement of existing policy. I too mourn the flexibility, but with all things, you can bend the rules so many times before they break.

 

[spiceycat]

I only did small transfers a couple of times - and only when someone asks me.

I actually like to rent to non-DVC members - yes they can be more trouble - but they can also be more fun.

It should be a stop to that person who claimed their relativies were sick and that they needed points to visit - when they turned around and rerented them....

I just don't see that this will hurt the average DVC member.

now to the NEW DVC resort.

a complete surprise - so that eliminated the Cont, Hawaii and that one in Colorado I would think the EP - that would not be a surprise - how about the GF or Polyn.....

they have got to be seeing on these boards that one at the Polyn would sell out faster than the BCV....

I would not be interested in one at the GF - not my style.

 

[Beca]

I can see where the bulk of the 11 month ressies will not go to "big time renters" but now they will go to "small time renters".

I still don't see 7 month availability opening up (although I dont think it is as big of a problem as portrayed here).

What I do see is the 11 month window opening up for the owners of the smaller resorts.

My scenario is this, you have a 50 point BCV contract (sold off the rest or resale), you pay MF's for that 50 points ($250/yr) You then transfer in a slew of points from all sources for cheap $6-$8 per point. You can then make a slew of reservations at BCV at the 11 month window and get $12-$16 per point on Ebay or here. All for $250 a year. The BCV owners are the ones being shut out, and it has nothing to do with SSR and 7 months. Those reservations will never trickle down to the 7 month window. They will just last longer than 0930 am at the 11 month window.

I have 2 UY's so I do see where my life just got more difficult. And I do understand this is not a change but an enforcement of existing policy. I too mourn the flexibility, but with all things, you can bend the rules so many times before they break.

But, small time renters will have to have enough "spare" points to make a ressie for someone. They will probably not be willing to use their "1" transfer per year to bring in points to rent out and manage for someone else.

The fact that fewer owners will have enough "extra" points to rent out to non-members means that availability will be easier to get (i.e. there will not be so many early December rentals to non-members going on).

I also think some of the renters who have become accustomed to being able to call MS and verify their ressies will be "gun shy" now, and just look for codes. If the number of people looking to rent is smaller, then we will see more availability at resorts, as a LOT of the low-point value times are now being actively sought out by renters....they are looking for bargains, and do not often want to pay for high point times.

I do also think some of the biggest "losers" in this new deal are the people with contracts in different UY's. DVC does not "allow" those contracts to be linked, and you therefore cannot share points. That means that points from two contracts cannot be combined without a transfer (I'm talking about those last "few" points at the end of every year) to make a 1 night ressie. Many of those owners bought different UY's knowing they could make transfers easily between contracts. For your sake (and the sake of all owners in that position), I hope DVC reconsiders allowing transfers between contracts owned by the same member. It is a significant negative impact to your ownership.



Beca

 

[CarolA]

I have two contracts in two use years. Have for years.

NEVER had to do a transfer. Maybe it's just me.

I also think the "professional renter" impact is slightly overstated on the DIS when compared to the population as a whole....

 

[DVC Grandpa]

Is this just transfers out of ones account or can I only have one transfer into my account or both? This makes a difference if I am looking for 100 points I could get more than one transfer as long as it wasn’t from the same person. If I got 50 points from one membwr and 60 from another could I then transfer those I wouldn't need? It will be hard finding someone who will transfer any less points then than the total they have available for transfer.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Is this just transfers out of ones account or can I only have one transfer into my account or both? This makes a difference if I am looking for 100 points I could get more than one transfer as long as it wasn’t from the same person. If I got 50 points from one membwr and 60 from another could I then transfer those I wouldn't need? It will be hard finding someone who will transfer any less points then than the total they have available for transfer.

One transfer in OR out, not both ways.

 

[Inkmahm]

One transfer per use year? What if we have an Oct UY master contract for BWV and two add on contracts for VWL, also with Oct UY. We purchased all the points this year and plan to use DVC for 2 visits each year in the future, one to each of the locations where we own so that we can take advantage of 11 month booking windows.

1) Am I understanding correctly that if I transfer in points for BWV, then I can't also transfer in points for VWL for the same UY, if needed?

2) "Banking" and "borrowing" aren't the same as doing a transfer, right? In any particular UY, I may want to bank BWV points to the next UY and also borrow VWL points from the next UY. Will I be able to do that?

 

[Chuck S]

One transfer per use year? What if we have an Oct UY master contract for BWV and two add on contracts for VWL, also with Oct UY. We purchased all the points this year and plan to use DVC for 2 visits each year in the future, one to each of the locations where we own so that we can take advantage of 11 month booking windows.

1) Am I understanding correctly that if I transfer in points for BWV, then I can't also transfer in points for VWL for the same UY, if needed?

2) "Banking" and "borrowing" aren't the same as doing a transfer, right? In any particular UY, I may want to bank BWV points to the next UY and also borrow VWL points from the next UY. Will I be able to do that?

Banking and Borrowing is NOT a transfer and is not affected by this at all.

 

[LIFERBABE]

The fact that fewer owners will have enough "extra" points to rent out to non-members means that availability will be easier to get (i.e. there will not be so many early December rentals to non-members going on).

Beca, I agree, I just dont think that increased availability will trickle all the way down to 7 months to benefit SSR owners.

This will give the small resort owners a fighting chance to book a ressie in their home resort priority window without competing with the rental market created by the xfered point loophole.

I think the increase in renting has had more impact on the small resorts than the increase of DVC members overall. Your case a few months ago where you were shut out of BCV prior to the 7 month window shows that someone else with BCV points (or ALOT of BCV points) beat you to it.

As a member, I would be much more upset about not being able to secure a ressie in my 11 month window than my 7 month window.

 

[Simba's Mom]

Can someone explain "Transfer" to me like I was a DVC newbie (which is what I feel like now)? We've owned DVC for 4 1/2 years; we have 100 BCV points (+ 210 OKW points), and this is what we'd do if we needed a BCV reservation using more than 100 points-book up to 100 points worth at 11 months, then at 7 months we'd take points from our OKW contract for the rest. We're booking a trip soon, and were planning to do this. Would "transfer" impact this? Will the new MS rules impact this? I really appreciate the help-I feel so unknowledgeable.

 

[DBBN]

This is a very good news.

I happen to like it when people/companies/DVC do what it is they said they were going to do. Whether it is verbal or in writing as in the fact that my POS clearly states this policy.

 

[spiceycat]

1) Am I understanding correctly that if I transfer in points for BWV, then I can't also transfer in points for VWL for the same UY, if needed?

2) "Banking" and "borrowing" aren't the same as doing a transfer, right? In any particular UY, I may want to bank BWV points to the next UY and also borrow VWL points from the next UY. Will I be able to do that?

if you do what you say - one year using BWV, the next year using VWL - you will be fine.

you can only transfer points in one uy per year.... so you can do BWV this year and VWL next year.

banking and borrowing aren't the same as a transfer. You will be fine. You only have one use year so you don't need to transfer to use your points.

 

[LIFERBABE]

Can someone explain "Transfer" to me like I was a DVC newbie (which is what I feel like now)? We've owned DVC for 4 1/2 years; we have 100 BCV points (+ 210 OKW points), and this is what we'd do if we needed a BCV reservation using more than 100 points-book up to 100 points worth at 11 months, then at 7 months we'd take points from our OKW contract for the rest. We're booking a trip soon, and were planning to do this. Would "transfer" impact this? Will the new MS rules impact this? I really appreciate the help-I feel so unknowledgeable.

No, you are simply using your points as allocated in their proper booking window.

A transfer would be, you use your 100 points and to complete your ressie in the 11 month window, you transfer in from an outside source (another UY contract, another member) the additional points you need.

By using a transfer, you do not have to wait for the uncertain availability of the 7 month window to use your OKW points. You transfer in what you need to book the entire ressie at 11 months. Another reason to transfer is because you ran out of points and still want to vacation, or you want to rent those points.