New survey .. proposal .. Tiered Ticket Prices

[mom2rtk]

Yes but the prediction I'm referring to was that FP+ was just the precursor to all reserved attractions. Since DL doesn't even have FP+, obviously that was wrong. And we can say "not yet" about a million things.

I read a most of those threads.

I don't think anyone ever predicted it coming to all reserved attractions.

 

[mom2rtk]

Isn't Disney already considering the customer perspective through the survey itself?

Logic says they will take that feedback, make adjustments or make no adjustments and then eventually deliver those changes to the public or do nothing. In effect, they will do what they want/need to do in order to accomplish their goals without sacrificing their customer base.

How is speculating on what the plan may or may not be, productive? Do you think any amount of speculation or discussion on what the final plan may or may not end up being will influence the final result more than the survey that is already being conducted? That being said, people can express anything they want on these message boards and some can consider those efforts futile.

Well, they didn't get MY perspective. That's what the DIS is for.

And since when is it a requirement that posts on the DIS actually be productive?

And since I'm just killing time after watching the sun rise over the Gulf of Mexico, waiting for my kids to wake up and go ride wave runners, it doesn't matter whether my efforts are productive or futile. It will be a grand day regardless.

 

[WillAustin]

You need to try the higher ticket prices before you can comment on it.

This is so great it has to be quoted again 23 pages later.

 

[Mikie]

I read a most of those threads.

I don't think anyone ever predicted it coming to all reserved attractions.

We can still say "not yet" about it since we don't have a crystal ball and can't prove a negative, but I definitely read threads where people predicted that FP+ and/or the Fastpass only tests at DHS (and Epcot?) were a precursor to an all-reservation ride system. There was one written in such a way that I at first thought it was a report on a known result vs a prediction by a Disney fan.

I certainly am more of the opinion that Disney doesn't do a survey about a pie-in-the-sky rough idea, but rather a semi-formed plan to do something. But I suppose it's just that which causes all of this speculation. . . They have tipped their hand that something is coming, now we get to debate about what it may end up looking like (wild hypothesis and reasonable guesses alike).

 

[Angel Ariel]

All I am saying is that I think it is a futile effort until we understand the true scope of what is being considered.

The people who took the survey have no more information about it than we do, and Disney clearly wants to know their thoughts. I don't see anyone writing to Disney as any different than the survey receivers answering the survey.

A lot of time and energy is being spent making arguments against something that has not even been defined yet. Disney will gain the perspective of the segment of their customer base that they are most interested in through their survey process. But, by all means, don't let that stop anyone from tilting at windmills.

It's a Disney discussion board. This is a pretty significant topic, so it seems pretty natural it would be discussed here. Personally, I'm waiting for more information, but I understand why others feel as they do. Different strokes and all that.

 

[mom2rtk]

This is so great it has to be quoted again 23 pages later.

LOL, I'm still laughing all these days later.

 

[ArwenMarie]

We can still say "not yet" about it since we don't have a crystal ball and can't prove a negative, but I definitely read threads where people predicted that FP+ and/or the Fastpass only tests at DHS (and Epcot?) were a precursor to an all-reservation ride system.

I still think they are moving towards a mostly-reservation ride system. Moving towards...I don't think it will ever be 100%. But when numerous attractions have FPs that "sell out" months to weeks to days ahead of time, sure feels like a reservation ride system. I also think that once a ride is carrying wait times over a certain number almost constantly, it basically is a reservation system. It will be very interesting to see what happens with the Frozen ride...low capacity, high demand, small waiting area. I wouldn't be surprised to see FP-only with some paper return tickets given out for same-day visitors.

 

[Mikie]

I still think they are moving towards a mostly-reservation ride system. Moving towards...I don't think it will ever be 100%. But when numerous attractions have FPs that "sell out" months to weeks to days ahead of time, sure feels like a reservation ride system. I also think that once a ride is carrying wait times over a certain number almost constantly, it basically is a reservation system. It will be very interesting to see what happens with the Frozen ride...low capacity, high demand, small waiting area. I wouldn't be surprised to see FP-only with some paper return tickets given out for same-day visitors.

Going along with this hypothesis, In a bizarre way I could see the tiered pricing idea making the all-reservation system more palatable. Talk about two wrongs making a right!

Right now, many bemoan the lack of flexibility because of FP+ selections. . . Some people say "ADRs already lock me into a park, so it's no big deal once I'm already committed to being there to pick my rides". . . Others don't make ADRs so this doesn't apply. . . Now if a tiered price dictates their park choice, Disney gets their locked-in predictability and more people are now less bothered by the incremental additional planning of ride times.

The frog-boiling business as another poster mentioned many pages ago!

 

[cakebaker]

I read a most of those threads.

I don't think anyone ever predicted it coming to all reserved attractions.

I read a great many that did just that.

But I'm much too busy preparing for our WDW trip in less than 2 weeks (can't wait!!) , and I'm sure all the sand and surf is much more attractive to you than spending time tracking down old posts to prove a point. We can just agree to disagree.

Enjoy the beach! I hope you enjoy your trip as much as I know we're going to enjoy ours !

 

[cakebaker]

We can still say "not yet" about it since we don't have a crystal ball and can't prove a negative, but I definitely read threads where people predicted that FP+ and/or the Fastpass only tests at DHS (and Epcot?) were a precursor to an all-reservation ride system. There was one written in such a way that I at first thought it was a report on a known result vs a prediction by a Disney fan.

I remember one particular thread quite well regarding the TSMM tests. I was ripped to shreds, called out as a liar and a Disney "plant" and in exchange promised a return to the thread and an apology and admittance of being wrong if it did not come to pass- all because I said that I thought saying the tests were a sure sign of all reserved attractions was premature. I'm still waiting...

So yes, it's certainly happened. Maybe they will go to all reserved rides. Honestly, I'm not sure it's a bad idea. I'd certainly learn to use it to my advantage just as I do now. But none of us have anything remotely close to hard evidence that they will. It was then, and it is now, pure conjecture.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Going along with this hypothesis, In a bizarre way I could see the tiered pricing idea making the all-reservation system more palatable. Talk about two wrongs making a right!

Right now, many bemoan the lack of flexibility because of FP+ selections. . . Some people say "ADRs already lock me into a park, so it's no big deal once I'm already committed to being there to pick my rides". . . Others don't make ADRs so this doesn't apply. . . Now if a tiered price dictates their park choice, Disney gets their locked-in predictability and more people are now less bothered by the incremental additional planning of ride times.

The frog-boiling business as another poster mentioned many pages ago!

LOL

I see your point. If I'm already locked in because of this and this, why not lock this in too? Makes sense.

 

[Dizlvr]

I'm sorry but I can remember a time when a vacation meant relaxing for the most part. Sure we had to plan a few ADR's and when to see certain parades but this is getting out of hand.

See, I think it started getting out of hand when you had to reserve a dining reservation 6 months before your trip. 6 months, that is crazy! But people adapted and do it, same with reserving your rides 2 months in advance. For those of us who want to go to WDW, these things just become how we do it. If figuring out what I want to eat 6 months in advance didn't push me away, picking a park to go to on a certain day won't either.

To take your scenario one step further . . . OK, you can't get BOG on Saturday, but you can get it on Wednesday. What happens if you can't get admission to MK on Wednesday, but you can get it on Friday, but there's no BOG for Friday? Or you manage to get MK and BOG on the same day, but there aren't any good FP+ except on Thursday at MK? If this scenario works the way people are speculating, you need to get three sets of stars to align - FP+, ADRs, and now ability to access a particular park on a specific day - to make your plans. That could make things a lot more interesting for the super planners, especially those that like to tweak their plans a lot.

Since I buy a Florida Resident AP, I'm used to having the different admission dates to consider when I buy the pass, and I don't make a lot of advance plans for my trips because I visit so often. But I can see that there could be a lot of potential headaches for a lot of people, depending on how the plan is implemented.

I'm not a super planner, going to MK is more important that eating at BOG so I'd just say oh well on dinner, maybe go for lunch instead. I don't get myself all stressed out about going to WDW, there are plenty of options and ways to tweak a trip. I know there are type A people out there, I'm not one of them, I'd much rather go with the flow, and that means I don't get upset if my plans have to change.
I get there are people out there who think this tiered thing is the end of the world, much like when FP+ came to be, but there are those out there who don't have any problems with it too.

 

[cigar95]

. . . . . . This is a pretty significant topic, so it seems pretty natural it would be discussed here.

Thing is, there's really no "it" yet to truly discuss.
The inferences being drawn from survey questions to future plans don't follow. Very often to glean information about "yyy", you ask questions that sound like "xxx". That doesn't mean you're planning, or even considering, doing "xxx".

 

[Angel Ariel]

Thing is, there's really no "it" yet to truly discuss.
The inferences being drawn from survey questions to future plans don't follow. Very often to glean information about "yyy", you ask questions that sound like "xxx". That doesn't mean you're planning, or even considering, doing "xxx".

The DIS unplugged podcast team discussed it on the show today.

There have been multiple articles in the national media as well..time and the LA Times ar two I cab remember off the top of my head that had articles about this.

Clearly it isn't just DIS posters that feel that this possibility is worthy of discussion.

 

[lynch34]

The past increases - I have a bigger issue with. What has Disney added over the last few years? Seven Dwarfs Mine Train? That's an ok ride but c'mon. That's a disappointment.

At least now you know Disney is gearing up for Star Wars and Avatar. I wish it more aligned with the timing of those opening but at least there's some investment.

The park has stayed pretty static and that's been a huge disappointment. I will still go but as my kids age, I know the appeal will lessen unless Disney gets it going.

 

[xipetotec]

I know there's always a way to "make it work" if you don't insist on particular things on particular days. But if you want to maximize your stay and schedule meals, attractions ( through FP+ ) and now we'd have to account for what parks are more expensive on what days?! No... too much... that could actually be the deal breaker for us... So far, we've done regular LONG trips *because* it's good value ( the more days you stay, the less per day it costs ). Having this tiered system could definitely scare my gang away.

 

[Mikie]

The DIS unplugged podcast team discussed it on the show today.

There have been multiple articles in the national media as well..time and the LA Times ar two I cab remember off the top of my head that had articles about this.

Clearly it isn't just DIS posters that feel that this possibility is worthy of discussion.

My husband works in Marketing and I am constantly disappointed as he points out the lack of actual "news" much of the time. Many, many stories, especially about corporations (except when it's a scandal!) it's actually PR written by the company and provided to the news outlets. It may not be the case here, but in the case of such widespread coverage about a not-yet-a-story, I wonder if it's Disney PR and if so, what's the motive behind releasing this particular info? Just to gauge reaction?

 

[ArwenMarie]

My husband works in Marketing and I am constantly disappointed as he points out the lack of actual "news" much of the time. Many, many stories, especially about corporations (except when it's a scandal!) it's actually PR written by the company and provided to the news outlets. It may not be the case here, but in the case of such widespread coverage about a not-yet-a-story, I wonder if it's Disney PR and if so, what's the motive behind releasing this particular info? Just to gauge reaction?

I think this was planted. Nothing nefarious. But it spread very quickly. I think it was to get people used to the idea. My guess is that this is already a done deal, maybe the details still to be worked out.

 

[lugnut33]

I don't get why some people think it's silly to be talking about this. If we should not be talking about this on a Disney discussions board then where?

 

[Disneyliscious]

My husband works in Marketing and I am constantly disappointed as he points out the lack of actual "news" much of the time. Many, many stories, especially about corporations (except when it's a scandal!) it's actually PR written by the company and provided to the news outlets. It may not be the case here, but in the case of such widespread coverage about a not-yet-a-story, I wonder if it's Disney PR and if so, what's the motive behind releasing this particular info? Just to gauge reaction?

Lots of truth to this. Take a gander at Yahoo news one day (using Yahoo as an example since they run many stories) and you'll see headlines like "Couple buys Private Island for 15k and it Changes their Life" (that was an actual story last week). Upon reading the story you see its not a story about how it changed their life, rather its a promotion for their new resort on this island thats written to look like a news story. There is a TON of this kind of thing in the media today. So much so that its disturbing.