New SD banning abortion..

[VSL]

I said I could not believe that men committed to equality and civil rights were still challenging the basic rights of women. I thought about all the photo-ops at which President Bush had signed legislation limiting abortion rights, surrounded by 10 or so white, self-righteous married men, who have forced God knows how many girlfriends into doing God knows what. I thought of the time Bush appeared on stage with children born from frozen embryos, children he calls "snowflake babies," and of the embryos themselves, which he calls the youngest and most vulnerable Americans.

Isn't it true that Bush actually arranged for his girlfriend (back in the 70's) to have an abortion?

 

[AnaheimGirl]

What if it was you in one of those situations? Would you risk dying and losing your baby rather than getting an abortion?

I certainly can't speak for any of the pro-lifers here, or the majority of them in any event, but your questions reminded me of this website I found interesting. The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion. Seems that even when the woman's life is not at stake, there are pro-lifers out there who take advantage of the right to abortion when they deem it necessary for themselves, all the while continuing to try to deny it to other women who may need it in the future.

I think the truth is that pro-choice people are pro-choice because there are circumstances where abortion is the best choice for the individual through no fault of their own, and I'm sure that the vast majority of pro-choicers agree with the pro-lifers in that, where applicable (ie, not in cases of rape/incest/serious health complications, etc.), people need to take more responsibility when it comes to sex, etc.

Yes, those are my thoughts exactly.

 

[chobie]

I certainly can't speak for any of the pro-lifers here, or the majority of them in any event, but your questions reminded me of this website I found interesting. The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion. Seems that even when the woman's life is not at stake, there are pro-lifers out there who take advantage of the right to abortion when they deem it necessary for themselves, all the while continuing to try to deny it to other women who may need it in the future.


Yes, those are my thoughts exactly.

Exactly and these Republican politicians using abortion to get votes will be the first to fly their own daughters to another country to have an abortion. They have money--they don't have to worry about their daughters having back alley abortions.

 

[VSL]

I certainly can't speak for any of the pro-lifers here, or the majority of them in any event, but your questions reminded me of this website I found interesting. The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion. Seems that even when the woman's life is not at stake, there are pro-lifers out there who take advantage of the right to abortion when they deem it necessary for themselves, all the while continuing to try to deny it to other women who may need it in the future.

Wow, thanks for that link - eye-opening to say the least.

 

[Laura]

This is a good point (highlighting mine).

I'd like to know how pro-lifers feel about abortions that arise from
- rape
- health issues that could kill mother/both mother and child

Is it all cut and dry 'pro-life', no matter what?
What if it was you in one of those situations? Would you risk dying and losing your baby rather than getting an abortion?

I think the truth is that pro-choice people are pro-choice because there are circumstances where abortion is the best choice for the individual through no fault of their own, and I'm sure that the vast majority of pro-choicers agree with the pro-lifers in that, where applicable (ie, not in cases of rape/incest/serious health complications, etc.), people need to take more responsibility when it comes to sex, etc.

The major difference is that pro-choice believes
- women should have the right to decide what happens to their own body
- women should not suffer further trauma after sex attacks
- women's health should be put before the unborn
while pro-life believes
- baby carried to full-term no matter what (because you can't be pro-life and support the womans right to have an abortion should the situation call for it, can you.. because that's 'murder' in pro-life eyes?)

Well, I can't speak for those who are anti-abortion now. But, when I considered myself pro-life, I believed that the only time it was okay for a woman to have her abortion is when her life was in jeopardy. I felt if a woman might die as well as the unborn baby, better to have one die than two. Rape or incest cases, I thought the pregnancies should go forward.

Good thing I woke up, eh?

 

[cardaway]

I think the truth is that pro-choice people are pro-choice because there are circumstances where abortion is the best choice for the individual through no fault of their own, and I'm sure that the vast majority of pro-choicers agree with the pro-lifers in that, where applicable (ie, not in cases of rape/incest/serious health complications, etc.), people need to take more responsibility when it comes to sex, etc.

All for choice as long as they agree with the choice.

 

[VSL]

Well, I can't speak for those who are anti-abortion now. But, when I considered myself pro-life, I believed that the only time it was okay for a woman to have her abortion is when her life was in jeopardy. I felt if a woman might die as well as the unborn baby, better to have one die than two. Rape or incest cases, I thought the pregnancies should go forward.

Good thing I woke up, eh?

Does that mean what I think it means?

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Opinions are like ***holes, eveyone has them and thinks there's doesn't stink. Your is no more revelant than anyone elses! Sorry to burst your bubble!

we're just a random group of divisional cells and DNA, no different than a blue crab or mountain goat. the importance you put on a human life over any other animal's is yours.

 

[TNKBELL]

You're comparing a rape/sexual abuse victim wanting to terminate a pregnancy because she would not be able to face
- carrying her rapists/abusers child
- giving birth to and caring for her rapists/abusers child
- her rapist/abuser returning to claim visiting rights with the child
to killing someone who is annoying?

Yeah, great comparison

I also agree with the fact that the study you quoted is seriously flawed because
- it was voluntary (I'm sure rape victims have enough on their plate without filling in pretty meaningless - to them - surveys)
- victims of rape who did answer may have lied because they felt ashamed

I would like to see conflicting results on the study I presented, so maybe 2 percent? That would be double, but still a very small number to base a whole platform on. My statement was merely about the fact that most abortions are due to the fact the child would be an inconvenience. My point was that why is it justifyable for that reason??? Murder is murder, no matter the vocabulary!

 

[chobie]

I would like to see conflicting results on the study I presented, so maybe 2 percent? That would be double, but still a very small number to base a whole platform on. My statement was merely about the fact that most abortions are due to the fact the child would be an inconvenience. My point was that why is it justifyable for that reason??? Murder is murder, no matter the vocabulary!

The number is about 30,000 women are year are impregnated by RAPE each year. I realize your compassion is for the RAPIST's sperm after it has been united with the VICTIM'S egg, but 30,000 pregnancies resulting from rapes that were reported is a rather staggering number.


But should you be violently attacked and impreganted then by all means go through with the gestation.

 

[AnaheimGirl]

Opinions are like ***holes, eveyone has them and thinks there's doesn't stink. Your is no more revelant than anyone elses! Sorry to burst your bubble!

LOL!

That's the whole point about being pro-choice! When abortion is legal, it is only that. Legal, not forced. So everyone gets to make their own decisions according to their own opinions and beliefs.

It's the pro-lifers who are trying to force everyone to conform to their beliefs, seemingly thinking that theirs is the opinion that doesn't stink.

 

[beckmrk04]

I would like to see conflicting results on the study I presented, so maybe 2 percent? That would be double, but still a very small number to base a whole platform on. My statement was merely about the fact that most abortions are due to the fact the child would be an inconvenience. My point was that why is it justifyable for that reason??? Murder is murder, no matter the vocabulary!

Small number or not (which, by the way- it's not even that low- couldn't even estimate it because only 40% of all rapes actually get reported (from the Rape and Incest National Network (RAINN) website). SOOO. If about 60% of rapes are going UNREPORTED, is itnot feasible to think that those rapes may have resulted in pregnancy? ANd thus, if they were terminated, no one knew it was due to rape?

And it doesn't matter anyway. American women, or the majority of them, want choice. I don't want someone else making this decision for me. If I get raped tomorrow, God forbid, I DON'T WANT THAT CHILD. I don't want to carry it for 9 months and have to relive my trauma. I am married. I love my husband and I want to have his children. ANd if we should have ever found ourselves in an Oops situation, we would have kept the child, but not everyone has the support and means that we have. It's so easy to make judgements about what everyone esle SHOULD be doing, but it's a lot harder to be in those situations. SO, if you don't like abortions, don't have one. Adopt the babies who are unwanted that do get carried to term. But don't tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies regarding reproduction. It's like telling the childless they MUST have children or steralizing people with too many children- it's completely unethical and NO ONE ELSE'S BUSINESS.

 

[TNKBELL]

The number is about 30,000 women are year are impregnated by RAPE each year. I realize your compassion is for the RAPIST's sperm after it has been united with the VICTIM'S egg, but 30,000 pregnancies resulting from rapes that were reported is a rather staggering number.


But should you be violently attacked and impreganted then by all means go through with the gestation.

So according to the study figures that would be 2%, and this is what the whole platform is based on?? The whole point is that this IS NOT the reason most abortions are performed. And since this is a discussion about abortion, then what does the war and the death penalty have to do with it? I guess when you run out of reasons to murder innocent children it's neccessary to drag in other topics??

 

[TNKBELL]

Small number or not (which, by the way- it's not even that low- couldn't even estimate it because only 40% of all rapes actually get reported (from the Rape and Incest National Network (RAINN) website). SOOO. If about 60% of rapes are going UNREPORTED, is itnot feasible to think that those rapes may have resulted in pregnancy? ANd thus, if they were terminated, no one knew it was due to rape?

And it doesn't matter anyway. American women, or the majority of them, want choice. I don't want someone else making this decision for me. If I get raped tomorrow, God forbid, I DON'T WANT THAT CHILD. I don't want to carry it for 9 months and have to relive my trauma. I am married. I love my husband and I want to have his children. ANd if we should have ever found ourselves in an Oops situation, we would have kept the child, but not everyone has the support and means that we have. It's so easy to make judgements about what everyone esle SHOULD be doing, but it's a lot harder to be in those situations. SO, if you don't like abortions, don't have one. Adopt the babies who are unwanted that do get carried to term. But don't tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies regarding reproduction. It's like telling the childless they MUST have children or steralizing people with too many children- it's completely unethical and NO ONE ELSE'S BUSINESS.

I believe women have a choice with thier own bodies...abortion is killing someone elses body..not thier own! Defending life has nothing to do with the last couple of statements you made.

 

[chobie]

So according to the study figures that would be 2%, and this is what the whole platform is based on?? The whole point is that this IS NOT the reason most abortions are performed. And since this is a discussion about abortion, then what does the war and the death penalty have to do with it? I guess when you run out of reasons to murder innocent children it's neccessary to drag in other topics??

You said you have a problem with legalized murder. So what is the death penalty and declaring war then if not legalized murder? How many innoccent children do you think died in Iraq as a result of our war? Would one be enough for you to condemn the war?

And yes, 30,000 raped induced pregnancies is one reason to keep abortion legal.

 

[beckmrk04]

Actually, according to the National Crime Victim's Survey, there were 209,880 rapes in 2004. So, 30,000, if that # is correct - again, reporting is a MAJOR ISSUE, would be more like 7 %.

 

[VSL]

So according to the study figures that would be 2%, and this is what the whole platform is based on?? The whole point is that this IS NOT the reason most abortions are performed.

Nonetheless, it does happen, so are we to presume that if you were raped and impregnated, or had a pregnancy with complications (ie, you or both you and baby could/will die unless you terminate), you wouldn't abort?

 

[TNKBELL]

Actually, according to the National Crime Victim's Survey, there were 209,880 rapes in 2004. So, 30,000, if that # is correct - again, reporting is a MAJOR ISSUE, would be more like 7 %.

No, I'm talking about the percentages of abortions, not rapes.

 

[beckmrk04]

I believe women have a choice with thier own bodies...abortion is killing someone elses body..not thier own! Defending life has nothing to do with the last couple of statements you made.

That's EXACTLY it! You believe it's murder. I don't!! I'm not for late-term abortion, unless the mother's life is in jeopardy, but I think until then, that a woman's rights take precedence over the rights of a fetus.

 

[TNKBELL]

Nonetheless, it does happen, so are we to presume that if you were raped and impregnated, or had a pregnancy with complications (ie, you or both you and baby could/will die unless you terminate), you wouldn't abort?

No I would not.