New SD banning abortion..

[AnaheimGirl]

Also, DW does sugery on fetuses while they are still cooking.

That is so cool! I've seen some of that on Discovery Health Channel and it's amazing!

 

[cardaway]

Yeah, I know. Sorry. It just gets extremely frustrating and I really just shouldn't get invested in arguements.

For somebody so frustrated you sure did say everything well.

I happen to agree with almost all of what you posted, and like AnaheimGirl, I stay away terms like baby and fetus only because so many times they never get to that point.

 

[chobie]

Hey, that's OK. I don't enjoy getting lumped into the evil "they want to kill all unplanned children even if it's in the 8th month, just because it's inconvenient" category, either.

Regarding your comments: I'm one who rarely uses the word fetus WRT abortions. Not because I'm trying to dehumanize a fetus, but because the majority of abortions are performed on embryos, not fetuses, as that is what they are called before 8-10 weeks gestation (depending on what definition you're reading). I use the term zygote or blastocyst when discussing the morning-after pill or stem cell research because that is what they are called at that point.

My understanding (but someone can correct me if I'm wrong) is that Maternal-Fetal Medicine is not referred to that way because all unborn humans are considered fetuses, but because most pregnancy complications requiring MFM arise during the fetal stage of development, not before. It's interesting... I agree with almost every word of your post, but I think the opposite about the word choice. To me, it seems like pro-lifers use the terms fetus and embryo prematurely, in an effort to make the unborn seem more human.

ITA. The anti-abortion side use the words baby and child even when referring to the possilbity of a zygote, like with the morning-after pill. They down play the number of women who have abortions because they were raped, or for health reasons.

They came up with the term partial-birth abortion and try to take an extremely rare procedure done in only dire circumstances sound like there are teenage girls waltzing in to doctors everyday to abort a nine-month old fetus so they can fit into their prom dresses.

The other side likes to say we have extremists but, I have never heard any pro-choice person advocate unrestricted abortions past the third month.

Extremism is calling a microscopic blastocyst a child. Extremism is saying you would never have an abortion even if you were raped or your life was in jeopardy when you have no idea what it would be like to be in that situation.

Dishonesty is pretending you know exactly how you would react when faced with a traumatic sitaution. No one knows how they will react when a gun is to there head.

 

[BelleMcNally]

Adoption is an alternative to raising a baby. Abortion is an alternative to carrying a pregnancy. The only thing they have in common is that they both often result from unplanned pregnancies.

I just had to point out how much I agree with this statement--I've never heard it so succinctly put.

 

[chobie]

OK, I'll probably get banned for this post. If so, here's to my YAGE!

The numbers above are not demonstrably from the same reporting period or criteria and cannot be logically used together. But that's a minor point. Some folks are so blasted hysterical about this issue that they won't even read and digest what others post about it before going ballistic.

You could have used the number 30,000 when trying to make your argument that there are not that many pregnacies due to rape, but you chose to use the percentage which is either 1% or 2%. Are you trying to say that you did not do that to sound more persuasive in your argument?

Logically speaking when someone hears 1%, that comes off as much smaller than 30,000. And you know that.

And you also know that the logic behind the anti-abortion side in using the words "child" and "baby" is to invoke an illogical emotional reaction from people.

If you are going talk about dishonesty -- perhaps you should start with the dishonesty of using the word child in regards to the morning-after pill

 

[simpilotswife]

Maybe people should instead learn to be responsible and accountable for their own actions and decisions, being prepared to deal with the risks and consequences.

What about rape and incest victims? Were they being irresponsible?

 

[simpilotswife]

Putting on my flame proof suit..... I know this is off topic, but I don't see why prostitution should be illegal. It could actually be handled in ways that would keep alot of prostitutes and "johns" from coming down with diseases.

Prostitution should absolutely be legal.

 

[simpilotswife]

Many people do things in the name of religion that has nothing to do with religion or God at all.

No? How about the Crusades then....that was all about religion and God.

 

[TNKBELL]

Prostitution should absolutely be legal.

Move to Vegas. I couldn't disagree more.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Move to Vegas. I couldn't disagree more.

you don't need to move to Vegas, just fly out and play an 'away game'. it's just consentual sex between two adults.

 

[TNKBELL]

you don't need to move to Vegas, just fly out and play an 'away game'. it's just consentual sex between two adults.

I think this has officially turned the table from being a decent heartfelt conversation between fellow disers into raunchville..I'm outta here!

 

[kristen821]

http://ww4.americanbaby.com/ab/story.jhtml?storyid=/templatedata/ab/story/data/9177.xml

The baby has a heartbeat in the 1st month of pregnancy, before most people even know they are pregnant. I don't know how this can't be considered a human life.

 

[Beth76]

The baby has a heartbeat in the 1st month of pregnancy, before most people even know they are pregnant. I don't know how this can't be considered a human life.

Not viable human life. It can't live on it's own outside the womb.

 

[TurboKitty]

I have no religious pots to stir...

I do not think terminating a pregnancy before the 3rd month is a crime, and longer in some circumstances....

I still wish my friend was able to bear her daughter... the one who'd had chromozonal problems, detected very late term...

MacKenzie died before she was born.......so horrifying and sad in itself...

I love my friend and her fiance`, the one who died from lupus undiagnosed...

Miss ya, Vic.

Hold little Mackenzie dear...we miss you.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

I think this has officially turned the table from being a decent heartfelt conversation between fellow disers into raunchville..I'm outta here!

if this is turning the table in your opinion, you obviously haven't followed the whole thread.

 

[kristen821]

Not viable human life. It can't live on it's own outside the womb.

It's still a life and at 20 weeks it has a chance to live and can still be aborted

 

[Sylvester McBean]

on the news tonight the governor of south dakota (who happens to be a republican) said this law will fail. even if it made it to the supreme court, he acknowledged they would overturn it. that's good news for us pro-choice folks.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

It's still a life and at 20 weeks it has a chance to live and can still be aborted

but what kind of underdeveloped life can a 20 week old fetus live if it survived? sometimes you need to let things die. the natural world does it every day. animals kill the weak and runts every day. I don't believe abortion should go past the first trimester. but these fights to keep super-preemie babies alive is getting ridiculous. it's not natural, just like the women spitting out 19 kids at a time on clomid and saying it was 'a miracle.'

 

[Beth76]

It's still a life and at 20 weeks it has a chance to live and can still be aborted

You mentioned a one-month-old embryo not a 20-week-old fetus before. And even at 20 weeks, there's not a great chance of survival. I, personally, don't have a problem with setting a limit past a certain month.

 

[kristen821]

but what kind of underdeveloped life can a 20 week old fetus live if it survived? sometimes you need to let things die. the natural world does it every day. animals kill the weak and runts every day. I don't believe abortion should go past the first trimester. but these fights to keep super-preemie babies alive is getting ridiculous. it's not natural, just like the women spitting out 19 kids at a time on clomid and saying it was 'a miracle.'

A healthy life once the lungs fully develop