New Orleans?

My mistake on your state, my apologies. Still, in general, NC's cities are far more prosperous than those in Louisiana. Outside of New Orleans, the worst poverty in Louisiana is also rural, but the difference in the size of the homestead exemption has a major impact on funding for education and other public services (police and fire protection are taxed separately). NC's homestead exemption is ~$27K with an income limit, but in Louisiana it is $75K with no income limit, and there are also all sorts of extra exemptions for farm property of up to 200 acres. The relative number of homes in Louisiana that are over the assessed value of the HE is quite small; for example, no one in my extended family has EVER been required to pay property taxes in the 60 years that we have owned property there.

FWIW, if you drove in from Mississippi you drove in through New Orleans East, which was arguably the area hardest hit by the storm. NOE is a newer part of the city that was developed in the 70's and 80's, and the build quality out there was very cheap (my brother worked construction on quite a few projects in NOE.) New Orleans East is lagging behind in reconstruction more than any other area; there is still no hospital and only one full-service supermarket open out there, and it took 6 months to get power and water service restored there after Katrina, primarily because the utilities companies initially considered it to be abandoned, until a priest who served the Vietnamese immigrant community got a petition drive under way to demand utilities restoration.

PS for Jujube: I'm sure that MrsPete's beignet place was Cafe du Monde, which to be fair, IS on Decatur, and presumably they were walking into the Quarter at the time. A street named Constitution does exist in NOLA, in fact there are two of them, but again, nowhere near any tourist areas. (Personally, I wouldn't go near the one in St. Roch even if I were driving an armored car at high noon.)
 
MrsPete, it's true that a lot of cities in NC are more prosperous than in LA, but you have to understand there has always been more job opportunities here also. Also, yes, there has been hurricanes hit this state and had lots of damage, especially on the coast, but not near the number of ones that have hit the LA, MS coasts, that's why you don't see" years old damage" here. And none (that I recall there) were more devastating than Audrey, Betsy, Camille, and Katrina. I know I am leaving out some. NC has had Fran & Floyd that made great impacts inland, but most that hit, do more damage to the outer banks. You can not compare that with what impact the storms have had on LA. I have lived here 17 yrs. but my heart is in So. LA. I live N. of Raleigh, and you can be sure there are places in Raleigh I would not want to go through during the day, let alone at night and it's not a city in size to NOLA. ALL cities have seedy, boarded up areas. They're in Raleigh too! Also, there are beggars here everywhere at intersections especially even in Cary and Wake Forest and especially downtown. For the record, (and someone correct me if I've not noticed all the times I've been there) but I've never seen them serve dinner at Cafe du Monde. Just noticed that someone had posted that there are no boarded up houses on MS coast because they are all gone - yes they are and so, so sad. There were some of the most beautiful old homes there that you'll see anywhere, and what Camiile missed (some only had steps, or two big concrete lions where the entrance was) Katrina finished off.
 
It was between 5 and 6 when the attack happened. I remember we had just left our hotel and crossed over Canal. My husband and oldest daugther were walking about 10 feet ahead of me and my youngest, and she was trying to talk me into going to the beignet place for dinner.

:confused3If its 6am-and you are walking towards the French Quarter-why would your DD want beignets FOR DINNER?

We actually flew into Mississippi (we had very cheap tickets good for that airport only) and drove the last hour into New Orleans in a rental car. The most disturbing thing we saw driving was the tent city under the interstate overpass. We saw boarded up buildings while walking as well. I don't remember specific streets, but they seemed to be everywhere.

Hurricane Katrina was 6 1/2 years ago. You state you visited 4-5 years after that. I simply dont believe there was still a tent city situation in the last year or two?:confused:(I have visited a few times in the last 3 years and dint see any tent city)
But there were many workers living in campers and tents who all went to the city to help rebuild-but that was in the 2-3 years following the storm.
 

I had stopped posting but this is crazy. We go to New Orleans all the time and there are a couple of places that I know of where homeless people stay under an overpass on a regular basis but you will find that everywhere. Another thing Beggars? Honest to God I saw beggars one time in the French Quarter about 16 years ago. There are those who stand on the streets with signs stating, "need money for food", etc. Again, if you have not seen that elsewhere, you don't get out much because I have see that in every single city we've visited in this country. Go to NYC or DC or LA or Chicago, or Atlanta, or Miami or St. Louis or even yes, Orlando and you'll see the same type of thing.

The last time we went to the French Quarter we saw 1 building boarded up-1 and that was because this particular furniture store left its location in the French Quarter for a building 10 times the size and some idiot threw a rock through the empty store's front window. Also, I see boarded houses or even some businesses sometimes because once hurricane season starts some people, especially older people or those who are handicapped, hire workers to board their windows. They leave the boards up until the season is over and then they hire people to take them down. They want to be prepared and do not have relatives or friends to help them in an emergency.

As far as a beignet place for dinner on Canal, I think it must be close to Constitution which does not exist either.

Like notursula, if you don't like New Orleans, so what, however, before you post things, maybe get a little info.

Would you like me to post that NC is all yahoos, hillbillies, and cigarette shops with a few mountains thrown in because I saw that when I visited?

That would not be fair though because I saw some beautiful things too, like Biltmore and not everyone sounded like Jethro.
Of course I know that other cities have beggars too; however, I have never seen so many as I saw in New Orleans. San Fransico would be the second-runner up. We did see people with signs, and people approached us asking for handouts or offering to shine our canvas tennis shoes.

I said we'd just crossed over Canal and that our hotel was on Canal. Not that we were walking on Canal.

I don't really care whether you post negative things about North Carolina. Some of them will be true. I don't feel the need to make believe that places I like are without flaws. I hate the cigarette shops too. I would point out that we're one of the few states that have both mountains and beaches. I'd point out to you that SC has far better beaches than we do, but if you hate all beaches, I won't be upset.
My mistake on your state, my apologies. Still, in general, NC's cities are far more prosperous than those in Louisiana. Outside of New Orleans, the worst poverty in Louisiana is also rural, but the difference in the size of the homestead exemption has a major impact on funding for education and other public services (police and fire protection are taxed separately). NC's homestead exemption is ~$27K with an income limit, but in Louisiana it is $75K with no income limit, and there are also all sorts of extra exemptions for farm property of up to 200 acres. The relative number of homes in Louisiana that are over the assessed value of the HE is quite small; for example, no one in my extended family has EVER been required to pay property taxes in the 60 years that we have owned property there.

FWIW, if you drove in from Mississippi you drove in through New Orleans East, which was arguably the area hardest hit by the storm. NOE is a newer part of the city that was developed in the 70's and 80's, and the build quality out there was very cheap (my brother worked construction on quite a few projects in NOE.) New Orleans East is lagging behind in reconstruction more than any other area; there is still no hospital and only one full-service supermarket open out there, and it took 6 months to get power and water service restored there after Katrina, primarily because the utilities companies initially considered it to be abandoned, until a priest who served the Vietnamese immigrant community got a petition drive under way to demand utilities restoration.

PS for Jujube: I'm sure that MrsPete's beignet place was Cafe du Monde, which to be fair, IS on Decatur, and presumably they were walking into the Quarter at the time. A street named Constitution does exist in NOLA, in fact there are two of them, but again, nowhere near any tourist areas. (Personally, I wouldn't go near the one in St. Roch even if I were driving an armored car at high noon.)
I couldn't begin to tell you what route we took into the city; however, I do know what I saw on the drive. I do not doubt that Louisiana is a poor state; that was never my point.
MrsPete, it's true that a lot of cities in NC are more prosperous than in LA, but you have to understand there has always been more job opportunities here also. Also, yes, there has been hurricanes hit this state and had lots of damage, especially on the coast, but not near the number of ones that have hit the LA, MS coasts, that's why you don't see" years old damage" here. And none (that I recall there) were more devastating than Audrey, Betsy, Camille, and Katrina. I know I am leaving out some. NC has had Fran & Floyd that made great impacts inland, but most that hit, do more damage to the outer banks. You can not compare that with what impact the storms have had on LA. I have lived here 17 yrs. but my heart is in So. LA. I live N. of Raleigh, and you can be sure there are places in Raleigh I would not want to go through during the day, let alone at night and it's not a city in size to NOLA. ALL cities have seedy, boarded up areas. They're in Raleigh too! Also, there are beggars here everywhere at intersections especially even in Cary and Wake Forest and especially downtown. For the record, (and someone correct me if I've not noticed all the times I've been there) but I've never seen them serve dinner at Cafe du Monde. Just noticed that someone had posted that there are no boarded up houses on MS coast because they are all gone - yes they are and so, so sad. There were some of the most beautiful old homes there that you'll see anywhere, and what Camiile missed (some only had steps, or two big concrete lions where the entrance was) Katrina finished off.
You left out the biggie: Hugo. I can remember a couple others that did severe damage to NC. I am not denying that New Orleans has been hard-hit by hurricanes. I'm saying that I'm surprised at just how much of it hadn't been rennovated several years after Katrina.

I cannot say that I've ever seen beggars in Raleigh, but then I don't go there all that often. If I were to pick the NC city with the biggest crime/homeless/whatever problems, it wouldn't be Raleigh.

Also, if you'll read again, you'll see that I said my daughter was trying to convince me that Cafe du Monde would be a good choice for dinner. I didn't say that they served dinner.
Hurricane Katrina was 6 1/2 years ago. You state you visited 4-5 years after that. I simply dont believe there was still a tent city situation in the last year or two?:confused:(I have visited a few times in the last 3 years and dint see any tent city)
But there were many workers living in campers and tents who all went to the city to help rebuild-but that was in the 2-3 years following the storm.
It was 5 or 6 PM, which is why we were walking towards places likely to serve dinner. I'm beginning to think I'm the only poster here with any reading comprehension.

I don't know which interstate it was, so I have no idea whether you would've driven that way or not; but the tent city we saw driving in/out of the city was massive. I don't think the people would've been workers because it was the middle of the day, and workers would've been . . . at work. This place was populated. It was under a large, elevated interstate, and it was the first time I'd seen such a set-up.
 
I'd point out to you that SC has far better beaches than we do, but if you hate all beaches, I won't be upset. You left out the biggie: Hugo. I can remember a couple others that did severe damage to NC.
I cannot say that I've ever seen beggars in Raleigh, but then I don't go there all that often. If I were to pick the NC city with the biggest crime/homeless/whatever problems, it wouldn't be Raleigh.
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It was not deliberate to leave out Hugo - we hadn't moved here yet, but did hear about it. It came in at SC and went toward the central-western part of NC. Now, for the beaches, I don't think SC is better that the outer banks, they are awesome :lmao: Of course, I was not the one that said anything about the beaches, but was just making a comment. :goodvibes Yes, I suspect Charlotte would also have it's share of beggars, but have never gone downtown there, as we seldom go that direction. I don't think many places, regardless of size, is immune.
 
I don't know which interstate it was, so I have no idea whether you would've driven that way or not; but the tent city we saw driving in/out of the city was massive. I don't think the people would've been workers because it was the middle of the day, and workers would've been . . . at work. This place was populated. It was under a large, elevated interstate, and it was the first time I'd seen such a set-up.

OK, folks, I can resolve the mystery of the tent city. I did some news archive digging and found it. It was under the Claiborne Avenue Overpass where I-10 and Claiborne cross Canal. This tent city was not a leftover from Katrina; it sprang up spontaneously in Oct 2007 and was eliminated with help from the nonprofit group UNITY of Greater New Orleans in July of 2008. It was populated by homeless people and at its peak had about 350 residents.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-07-17-homeless-camp_N.htm

Prior to that, there WAS a really large tent/trailer camp in Chalmette that was set up by FEMA after the storm to house volunteers who were there to help demolish derelict buildings in St. Bernard; it was called Camp Premier. It was set up about 2 weeks after Katrina, and closed down in June 2006. It was then replaced by use of the elementary school in Violet, and later replaced again with use of the Beauregard Middle School in Arabi. The camps set up in the unused schools were known by the name Camp Hope, and the one at Beauregard finally closed down in May of 2009, but reopened again to house BP cleanup workers after the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

This is an aerial photo of FEMA's Camp Premiere: http://mahdhoodak.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/aerialcamppremier2.jpg?w=1000&h=
 
Sorry I didn't read the entire thread. Has the OP announced what dates they're going to be in town?

The reason I ask... the men's SEC basketball tournament is in N.O March 8-11. The men's NCAA Final 4 is in NO March 31-April 2. Both of those events (as well as Mardi Gras) will GREATLY affect the number of tourists in town.
 
Being "ahead" by a time zone,
we were up and out early,
and we saw more than a few people sleeping in doorways, etc. It was between 5 and 6 when the attack happened. I remember we had just left our hotel and crossed over Canal. My husband and oldest daugther were walking about 10 feet ahead of me and my youngest, and she was trying to talk me into going to the beignet place for dinner.

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To me -you were up and out very early because of the time zone difference-so i read this as 5 or 6 am
No reading confusion-it's how you wrote it :confused3
 
WOW.. this is quite the discussion on my beloved NOLA .

Beggers, tent cities, criminal attacks , grime and seediness OH MY !!!


Did the OP ever even get what the answers she was looking for ?

It is ok, MrsPete, not everyone likes us , we know.

Since you don't like NOLA one bit , of course you don't understand why we would defend our NOLA.

Nola lovers, eat, sleep and breathe the city , it is our passion , our home, and our way of life. We know what it is to love this great city and we are sad when others fail to see her beauty.
The accent of native New Orleanian is music to our ears . A brightly painted shotgun makes me smile. Sitting with my child in Uptown watching the parades during Mardi Gras on the neutral ground , just like my parents did with me , is one of the greatest memories I have . Listening to my mother talk about her Father's days as a street car driver , eating raw oysters with my Daddy on Bourbon at Felix's when I was 7, watching my baby play in the houses at Storyland gardens in City park. The way the Magnolia's smell when they are blooming. Seeing how happy my fellow NOLA Diser is that her DD is following in her footsteps and family tradition of being heavily involved in one of the largest Krewes in NOLA made me very happy last weekend. New Orleans is all of this and much much more to me . It is tradition, it is family , it memories , it is home.
Everyone has their own story but the love we all feel is the same . It might be crazy to you and many others , but to us it is the best feeling in world. That is why we defend this old girl named NOLA .. She is old,dusty , needs some polish ( OK ALOT ), but she always welcomes us home with open arms and we thank her for that !



HEY Op , hope you enjoy your visit, keep your head up, stay safe and by all means take the time to smell the roses, this city has more to offer tent cities and drunks. : ) Promise .
 
Sitting with my child in Uptown watching the parades during Mardi Gras on the neutral ground , just like my parents did with me , is one of the greatest memories I have .

Listening to my mother talk about her Father's days as a street car driver , eating raw oysters with my Daddy on Bourbon at Felix's when I was 7, watching my baby play in the houses at Storyland gardens in City park. .

:love:

Neutral ground-pure new Awlins!:thumbsup2
 
:love:

Neutral ground-pure new Awlins!:thumbsup2

I was actually smiling more at the mention of the painted shotgun, LOL. How many folks who don't know NOLA would know that the PP was referring to a HOUSE?

FWIW, for the unitiated a Camelback is also a house, not something you drink water out of. A Camelback is a shotgun house that has had a second story added on only at the back; this was done because the original 19th century house tax rules were calculated based on the size of the home's frontage.
 
I was actually smiling more at the mention of the painted shotgun, LOL. How many folks who don't know NOLA would know that the PP was referring to a HOUSE?

FWIW, for the unitiated a Camelback is also a house, not something you drink water out of. A Camelback is a shotgun house that has had a second story added on only at the back; this was done because the original 19th century house tax rules were calculated based on the size of the home's frontage.

I have seen them, but didn't know that is what it is called lol. The houses all dressed up right now for carnival make me soo happy !! I don't live in NOLA , live outside about 1.5 hours away. Spent last weekend in NOLA for Endymion festivities ... had a great time. Sunday late brunch at Muriels and strolling Jackson square with a couple of my Nola Dis chicks was awesome. I have spent much of my 38 years in Nola, my Mom grew up there and now I have a huge group of Dis girls that live there . We get together as often as we can for 3 hour lunches lol, no mediocre food, we know all the good places lol.

There is the good, the bad and the UGLY with all cities , unfortunately NOLA does have it's fair share , but we love her nonetheless. I hope MrsPete can understand why we do . Off to eat some King Cake and plan for tomorrow evening's parades .. yup letting the kiddo miss school on Friday to go , it is a tradition !!
 
There is something about New Orleans. I hadn't been to the city in years but I cried like a baby when I saw what Katrina did to it. I realize that New Orleans has a lot wrong but there's just something about it.

Do you guys know the song "Do You Know What It Means To Miss New Orleans?"
 
There is something about New Orleans. I hadn't been to the city in years but I cried like a baby when I saw what Katrina did to it. I realize that New Orleans has a lot wrong but there's just something about it.

Do you guys know the song "Do You Know What It Means To Miss New Orleans?"

OHHH Louis Armstrong : ) best song ever !!


One of my other favorites is "They all asked for you. "
My friend's dog went bananas when we sang that song to him lol. I now sing it to my little boy.. he laughs about the elephants asking for you.

One of the really neat things about NOLA right now is how many movies are being made there. Last week one of our Dis girls had a Will Ferrell filming in her DD's fitness gym . Several big celebrities were there. My SIL is in town filming another movie, she is a stunt woman. Morgan Freeman, Woody Harrelson , Jesse Eisenberg , Mark Ruffalo are all in it . Ill be going down next week to spend time with her . Our kids are very close and we are looking forward to a fun time with the movie crew , hoping for a few star sightings lol.
 
Sorry I didn't read the entire thread. Has the OP announced what dates they're going to be in town?

The reason I ask... the men's SEC basketball tournament is in N.O March 8-11. The men's NCAA Final 4 is in NO March 31-April 2. Both of those events (as well as Mardi Gras) will GREATLY affect the number of tourists in town.

Here I am! I just took a step back with the debating going on because it seems to take on a life of its own. ;)

We'll be there March 10-16.
 
A question about the steetcar - one end is the zoo/park and the other end is what? Are there any stops in between that we should avoid, and on the other hand, are there any stops that we should defintely make sure to get off and explore?

Thanks!
 
Honestly-the streetcar (which i only rode for a party (back in the olden days you could rent one ) is good to stay on and look at all the beautiful homes on St Charles!
 
Honestly-the streetcar (which i only rode for a party (back in the olden days you could rent one ) is good to stay on and look at all the beautiful homes on St Charles!

Don't forget that there's a Canal St. Streetcar line also that goes down to the Cemetaries.
 
Great thread, as we will be stopping by New Orleans on our way to the Fort in July.

Couple of questions:
Where can we take our son (11 yrs old) to dinner or lunch and watch sax players? My son is really into music and is learning the sax, clarinet, trombone and violin. I would love for him to see some really cool, live music in New Orleans.

Are the ghost tours scary for 9 year olds?

Could we do a swamp tour, ghost tour and dinner/lunch and hang out all in one day? I have no idea how to allocate our 1 full day there.

Luckily, the day before, we are coming down from Baton Rogue, So, we will have time to see the plantations. Also, if needed, we can use the next morning for something, as our next driving destination is only about 4 hours away.
 














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