New 2010 Promotion

[rgf207]

So, it's okay for you to judge me based on my post, but I'm rude, arrogant and self righteous for doing the same based on someone else's post.

I don't know the other poster. I'm sure the other poster is not a terrible or bad person in everyday life. What I object to is her selfish attitude towards volunteering and blanket anger towards social programs that do good. People like that add to this country's problems, they don't help things. The sad thing is that most of these people are good people, but they are just so misguided and misinformed on things.

You, on the other hand, are obviously a person who has nothing useful to contribute to either side of this discussion, which is why you have chosen to simply resort to name calling.

If you read my post thoroughly, which you did not, you would have understood what I posted. I will spell it out for you.

I said you SEEM rude, arrogent and self-righteous because of your post. I did not say you are. I also said that you were judging the other poster by their response on a message board. Just because you read the response does not mean you know that person. Hence, I don't know you but your response makes you SEEM rude, arrogent and self-righteous.

Regardless, you have no right to tell someone the world does not need them. That was uncalled for and you should be ashamed of youself.

Try reading before flying off the handle next time. kthxbye

 

[itchin2go]

I'm out of this discussion. It's gotten kind of ugly.

 

[ThumperandLitenin]

just because she didn't elaborate her situation, doesn't warrant a slam. There are lots of people that do what she does, or work even more, and cannot afford to take some time to do it.. thus the $80 isn't worth it.....

You just made my point.

She stated that $80 for eight hours work isn't "worth her time" to volunteer, but apparently some other dollar value is. That implies it's about the money, not about helping people.

Sorry, that comes off as selfish. It's not about what she can do, it's about what she can get out of it.

Either you have the time to volunteer or you don't. If your personal life is such that you are totally consumed by job and family commitments, so be it.

She chose to bring money into this, not me or anyone else. If you consider calling someone out on that a slam, my apologies.

I'm offended by what was implied in her post. Apparently, I'm not alone in the sentiment.

 

[Wall-E1]

If you read my post thoroughly, which you did not, you would have understood what I posted. I will spell it out for you.

I said you SEEM rude, arrogent and self-righteous because of your post. I did not say you are. I also said that you were judging the other poster by their response on a message board. Just because you read the response does not mean you know that person. Hence, I don't know you but your response makes you SEEM rude, arrogent and self-righteous.

Try reading before flying off the handle next time. kthxbye

Thank you very much. Had you simply highlighted the word "seem" in your original post, I would have completely understood your intention. Next time, I will be sure to read your posts much more thoroughly for the hidden nuances that you include.

 

[DWGal210]

It boggles my mind what people on the Dis will complain about.

A FREE ticket for doing something good! The HORROR!

Ridiculous.

I agree 100% with you. I am honestly surprised there is this much "controversy" over the promo.

 

[Ziggie]

I am specifically planning a trip because of this. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Count us in as well!

We are a family that goes multiple times a year and I'm looking forward to participating in the volunteer aspect of this promotion

 

[rgf207]

You responded this to someone who was agreeing that "volunteering is priceless."

Plus, you deride others for namecalling, and then call others sad, misguided and bitter.

There is selfish and then there is holier-than-thou. I don't want a piece of either one of them.

Yep. talk about the pot calling the kettle black

 

[rgf207]

Thank you very much. Had you simply highlighted the word "seem" in your original post, I would have completely understood your intention. Next time, I will be sure to read your posts much more thoroughly for the hidden nuances that you include.

hey I do what I can. You can now continue calling other posters worthless. I'm glad you are a part of this thread as you have contributed so greatly. Have a great day and continue being you

 

[Ziggie]

I've debated whether or not to reply to this, and probably against my better judgment, decided to.

For the record.....I am a single mother, I work 8 hours a day, commute for for almost 3 hours. I my XH walked out and left me to care for our children. I work, get home, put dinner on the table, rush them to their activities, help with homework, care for them and the house/yard. By MYSELF. No volunteers, no welfare, no reduced lunches, no "scholarships" for activities. I would love it if just once, some fee that I have to pay for one of my kids' activities, would be subsidized. But because I have income, it's not. But if someone chooses not to work, they get the reward. Yes, people do choose not to work, because they know that society will take care of them. I dont' mind paying my way. What I mind is that the system has let others take advantage of it.

So yes, with all that is on MY plate, my time is worth much more than $80/hr. I'm not, nor have I, ever looked for a handout, from Disney or anywhere else. Most of the promotions I can't/don't take advantage of because we are DVC members....so no free dining, no buy 4 get 3 free. I'm glad everyone enjoys volunteering. I do it at my church. BUT, what I am tired of are all the social programs out there that make people too lazy to take care of themselves or their families. This country has let it get too far. Yes, there are people who truly need help to get back on their feet. But we have become enablers with all the handouts we give to people, with no incentive to get on their feet. If this Disney promotions is going to continue with this enabling, no, I don't like it. I'm by no means a me, me, me person. I am a person that believes that those who "don't have" should not rely on the rest of us to take care of them indefinitely.

Shame on you for your rude assumptions about me. You know nothing about me. I'm sure this won't change many of your minds about what I said, but they are my thoughts and I am entitled to them. Yes, I know that there are good organizations out there, for instance the Red Cross and such, that does wonderful volunteer work. If seen it first hand in my profession. However, I have also seen firsthand, again in my profession, how social programs DON'T work. Maybe I jumped on the assumption a little too soon that this promotion was similar to just another wasted government social program. If I did I apologize. But the lot that I have been dealt in life has made me a little cynical.

Carry on, and don't expect me to reply to any further posts. I have nothing further to say.

In all fairness, you were the one that got the aggravation ball rolling by your "my time is worth more than that" post.

And even though you are a single parent with a lot on your plate, you are not the only one. You sound quite bitter (sorry about that) but perhaps you need to let go of the anger you seem to be hanging onto.

Stop whining about all the things that aren't happening for you and start focusing on what you can do to make your life happier for both yourself and your child.

 

[Wall-E1]

You responded this to someone who was agreeing that "volunteering is priceless."

Plus, you deride others for namecalling, and then call others sad, misguided and bitter.

There is selfish and then there is holier-than-thou. I don't want a piece of either one of them.

I did not read the previous posts by that poster. I have not read every post on this thread. That is an excellent attitude for that poster to have.

I don't just post and engage in name calling like that one poster did. I gave a detailed post and reasons why I felt people were selfish, misguided, or bitter. I don't feel that I am holier than thou. I'm just stating my opinions. As long as people want to continue debating these issues, I'll be more than happy to.

If I have offended anyone, I apologize. I don't know these people, but I'm sure they are decent people. It is some of their views that I take offense to.

 

[DWGal210]

I have to say that threads like this are the reason that from time to time, I take a break from the Dis. I certainly don't feel that we all have to agree 100% of the time, but I do feel strongly that we have to respect each other 100% of the time. On both sides of this "argument", there is mud-slinging and name-calling. Remember folks, this is why the religion and political threads got axed - because we couldn't act like mature adults and have a mature discussion about differences in opinion without getting personal and nasty.

Can't we all just get along?

 

[Wall-E1]

hey I do what I can. You can now continue calling other posters worthless. I'm glad you are a part of this thread as you have contributed so greatly. Have a great day and continue being you

Wait, aren't you the poster who just a few minutes ago reprimanded me for not reading your post thoroughly. I only ask because you apparently are not reading mine thoroughly. I have never called anyone worthless, so please don't make up lies. I know that you probably could not think of anything good to come back with, so that is probably why you have now resorted to lying. Feel free to highlight and show me where I called someone worthless. I'm waiting with anticipation for your response.

 

[Wall-E1]

I have to say that threads like this are the reason that from time to time, I take a break from the Dis. I certainly don't feel that we all have to agree 100% of the time, but I do feel strongly that we have to respect each other 100% of the time. On both sides of this "argument", there is mud-slinging and name-calling. Remember folks, this is why the religion and political threads got axed - because we couldn't act like mature adults and have a mature discussion about differences in opinion without getting personal and nasty.

Can't we all just get along?

I agree. I have my opinions and they have theirs. We probably will not change each other's minds, so it is probably just best to agree to disagree, and move on.

 

[rgf207]

Wait, aren't you the poster who just a few minutes ago reprimanded me for not reading your post thoroughly. I only ask because you apparently are not reading mine thoroughly. I have never called anyone worthless, so please don't make up lies. I know that you probably could not think of anything good to come back with, so that is probably why you have now resorted to lying. Feel free to highlight and show me where I called someone worthless. I'm waiting with anticipation for your response.

I'm done with you. Thanks

 

[Wall-E1]

I'm done with you. Thanks

I figured as much. You were caught lying. You can leave now with your tail between your legs.

 

[larryz]

I've debated whether or not to reply to this, and probably against my better judgment, decided to.

For the record.....I am a single mother... yadda yadda yadda

One thought to chew on... I wonder how much all those posts are worth at your self-estimated hourly rate? And how many of those hours could have been spent volunteering in your community?

Shame on you for your rude assumptions about me. You know nothing about me.

More than we wanted to, for sure...

I'm sure this won't change many of your minds about what I said, but they are my thoughts and I am entitled to them.

Right on both counts.

But the lot that I have been dealt in life has made me a little cynical.

Carry on, and don't expect me to reply to any further posts. I have nothing further to say.

Unfortunately, your post count leads me to believe that isn't quite true...

You're entitled to your opinion. We're entitled to our opinion of your opinion. You're entitled to your opinion of our opinions of yours... etc. And life on the DISBoards goes on.

-- mods -- what a great place to lock a thread!

 

[Wall-E1]

Just to sum up...

I am not calling any individual person names.

I am calling people out on some of their attitudes and views that I don't agree with. I do find some of these views and attitudes selfish and misguided.

I do not have any ill will toward any person on this board and did not set out to offend people today. If anyone felt like I was personally attacking them as a person, I apologize.

Nobody wants to see people suffer. It's just that all we hear about most of the time is the corruption of social programs, and not the good.
My views on social programs differ greatly than many of yours because I have seen firsthand how much good these programs can do. My son was in foster care and social programs for the first eight years of his life until I adopted him. He would not of survived and flourished, if not for these programs. When I say this, I am serious. He probably would not be alive today if not for these programs. So, I get a little angry when I hear comments about lazy people taking advantage of social programs. Again, I know that this takes place, but the good that these programs offer, far outweigh the bad. This is why I feel so strongly about volunteering and take offense to people who feel it is not worth their time, or that they are helping out lazy people.

 

[Iwant2BAprincess]

I hope they truely have options for 6 yo kids-this would be great if all family members can truely do this-and I think worth it.

I wonder if they would let these work for hard ticket items since the admission is actually less??

 

[Ziggie]

Getting back to the original topic...

For those of us who live in FL, I'm here to answer my own question

Hands On Network

The Hands On Network is a national civic movement bringing people together to tackle tough community problems through service. The Hands On Network is currently made up of 52 volunteer organizations, community-based nonprofits, as well as business and civic organizations that act as entrepreneurial civic action centers.

United Way of Palm Beach County started its own Hands On program in 1999. In 2005, United Way's program became part of the national Hands On network. The affiliation provides valuable resources and support to help grow and develop United Way of Palm Beach County’s Hands On program. It also provides opportunities for United Way to leverage small grants its own Hands On program. To learn more about Hands On Network, visit www.handsonnetwork.org

I guess we don't need to worry about Points of Light then? We can volunteer through the United Way? (or am I wrong about that? ... which is entirely quite possible )

 

[f15robyn]

From the Hands On Network Directly:

http://www.handsonnetwork.org/disney

"There are so many reasons to celebrate. Birthdays. Anniversaries. Reunions. Or any of life's most special moments. But this year, Disney Parks is celebrating something new and that’s the good things people do for their communities. In 2010, Disney wants to inspire one million people to volunteer a day of service to a participating organization in their communities and celebrate their good works by giving each of them one day admission to a theme park at Disneyland® Resort or Walt Disney World® Resort, free.

Starting January 1, 2010, Guests can go to www.disneyparks.com to search for volunteer opportunities made available through HandsOn Network and sign up for a day of volunteer service. As the nation’s largest volunteer network, HandsOn Network has 250 on-the-ground volunteer action centers across the country and connects volunteers to more than 70,000 nonprofit agencies that need their help. Many of the opportunities will be projects that entire families can participate in together.

To learn more, just visit www.disneyparks.com.

If you are community partner interested in this program, click here to see how you can receive more details.

If you are a HandsOn Action Center – We plan to have several resources available to help you get involved. Stay tuned for more details."

I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but several posts since have commented that the organizations that they already volunteer for will not/might not/probably won't participate. Why not have the community partner you already volunteer for follow the bolded section above to investigate becoming part of this program?

We'll be doing that for the 80 to 90 people who volunteer in the non-profit that we're heavily involved with.