Need help on DVC Direct/Resale with Aulani.

So I'm sure DVC is going to apply the RIV restrictions to all new DVC properties, including DLT. But that only applies to resale buyers and future DVC properties, correct? Because that is a concern of buying DLT is that it might loose value right away because of the restrictions. Then again, I'm sure it will be more sought after than RIV or maybe even the new GF building.
I don't think DLT is going to lose value over the restrictions. For one, the resale prices of RIV have remained rather strong despite them. But for another, the vast majority of people who buy DLT will be using those points primarily - if not only - for DLT.
 
So I'm sure DVC is going to apply the RIV restrictions to all new DVC properties, including DLT. But that only applies to resale buyers and future DVC properties, correct? Because that is a concern of buying DLT is that it might loose value right away because of the restrictions. Then again, I'm sure it will be more sought after than RIV or maybe even the new GF building.
I don't think DLT restrictions should be a concern. There are many resorts in the DVC system that would not fare well if they had resale restrictions (SSR for example where some owners buy there with the expressed intention of using elsewhere in the DVC system). IMHO, DLT's location on DLR property make the restrictions virtually irrelevant from a resale perspective. Interested buyers won't be looking (for the most part) to parlay their DLT points for use somewhere else. Plus, DLT extends a historically established (and loved) brand (The DL Hotel) with access to 2 parks by walking. There are only 3 other resorts in the entire DVC system that can make that boast (Boardwalk, Beach Club, and Grand Cal), and they are among the most coveted.

Aulani resale followed by DLT direct would seem to be the most logical move here dollar wise.

While significantly more expensive, I could also see 350 DLT direct points being a possibly logical path. As mentioned by others, the 11 month advantage at Aulani isn't needed as much compared to some resorts- especially if you have some flexibility. And as a west coaster, I'm not sure I'd want my investment in resale Aulani points be deemed unusable at DLT- which will realistically be my only other west coast DVC option (VGC availability if you don't own there is very tough). I expect no breaks when the DLT point chart is eventually released, and I might regret not having the ability to pool all of my points for use there if I so desired. Owning resale points for use on the east coast- where you have a ton of options- is different a ballgame. Just something to consider. Good luck with whatever you decide!
 
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I don't think DLT is going to lose value over the restrictions. For one, the resale prices of RIV have remained rather strong despite them. But for another, the vast majority of people who buy DLT will be using those points primarily - if not only - for DLT.
Yea, I think the restrictions will have even less of an impact on DLT vs RIV. You obviously have the option to use the points at other resorts if you buy DLT direct, but like you said most people who buy there will use those points only there, so if you are in the market and resale pricing makes it a bargain and thats where you want to stay, you wont give a whit if the points can only be used there.

There seems to be enough folks who like RIV enough to have the same thoughts apparently, I only want to stay at RIV so I dont care that I cant stay anywhere else.
 
There seems to be enough folks who like RIV enough to have the same thoughts apparently, I only want to stay at RIV so I dont care that I cant stay anywhere else.
ANd I imagine this will continue to increase once BCV and BWV end in 2042. Whatever replaces them will probably be MORE point-chart-wise than RIV, making RIV all the sweeter. Of course, that only matters if you plan to hold for the long-term.

While significantly more expensive, I could also see 350 DLT direct points being a possibly logical path. As mentioned by others, the 11 month advantage at Aulani isn't needed as much compared to some resorts- especially if you have some flexibility. And as a west coaster, I'm not sure I'd want my investment in resale Aulani points be deemed unusable at DLT- which will realistically be my only other west coast DVC option (VGC availability if you don't own there is very tough). I expect no breaks when the DLT point chart is eventually released, and I might regret not having the ability to pool all of my points for use there if I so desired. Owning resale points for use on the east coast- where you have a ton of options- is different a ballgame. Just something to consider. Good luck with whatever you decide!
This is actually a really good point. I'm obviously not a West Coaster, but this would admittedly lean me towards wanting Direct Points, whether that's 350 DLT or a split between the two. But, as noted, the 11 month advantage at DLT is probably going to be as equally important as the 11 month advantage is at VGC.
 

Since we are talking about DLT, which is a great point....I'm sure it's going to sell quickly. I see many others talking about buying it. But don't current DVC member usually get a chance to buy sooner than the general public? Does this also apply to members who only have a resale contract (like I might be at that time), or do you have to be a direct blue card member to take advantage of the early sale?

I spoke with a DVC Rep recently who told me current members get a "promotion" when the sale starts, but would not elaborate if that is for all members or just direct purchases. I would be surprised if there would be a discount on those points, but could see an earlier sales date for current members.
 
Since we are talking about DLT, which is a great point....I'm sure it's going to sell quickly.
It won't sell out to existing members. It is too big and they will require even existing members to buy 150 points. That is a lot of money.

Current members usually get a brief period of exclusivity when sales start. I wouldn't stress about that though. It seriously won't sell.out at that point.
 
I'd never buy a timeshare in Hawaii. The state law has changed over time in ways that do not favor owners IMO, and I don't want to deal with Hawaii probate. (well, I'll be dead, but you know what I mean.)

Hawaii is broke, and DVC has a bad track record with waterfront dues. That combination is not exciting to me. Tax changes in Hawaii become your dues.

If you want to go to DL, get a a VGC contract and use it! It's expensive as hell, but still cheaper than booking Grand Californian cash, and the only way to get into the DVC rooms. Trying to book VGC without VGC points is setting yourself up to fail.

I think the DL tower and points are going to make RIV look like amateur hour. I'd be buying VGC resale now. Maybe your crystal ball is different than mine.

If your goal is to travel to Hawaii, you don't need Disney at all. There are better/cheaper/newer properties out there that are actually focused on Hawaii.
 
To each his own. I don’t like the anxiety that goes along with resale. Once I make such a big decision, I just want it to be done. It has nothing to do with the money. You would hate to see me buy a new car. 🙂

I don't think Disney has ROFRed VGC in a while -- it's rare. I've done multiple resale transactions, and buying a car was harder (for the buyer). It's all electronic. Just a whole lot of waiting.
 
I don't think DLT is going to lose value over the restrictions. For one, the resale prices of RIV have remained rather strong despite them. But for another, the vast majority of people who buy DLT will be using those points primarily - if not only - for DLT.
I have a theory that DLT might help Disney finally sell out Aulani. Californians are the natural market for a Hawaii timeshare, and Aulani Direct points will look a lot more appealing than resale if they're able to access DLT with them. DLT buyers who balk at the price point (let's just say $225) might have a much easier time swallowing an Aulani contract that will likely come in around $180 after incentives.

I'd never buy a timeshare in Hawaii. The state law has changed over time in ways that do not favor owners IMO, and I don't want to deal with Hawaii probate. (well, I'll be dead, but you know what I mean.)

Hawaii is broke, and DVC has a bad track record with waterfront dues. That combination is not exciting to me. Tax changes in Hawaii become your dues.
Agree with all of this.

If you want to go to DL, get a a VGC contract and use it! It's expensive as hell, but still cheaper than booking Grand Californian cash, and the only way to get into the DVC rooms. Trying to book VGC without VGC points is setting yourself up to fail.
Grand Cali cash goes on pretty heavy discount in the off season.

I think the DL tower and points are going to make RIV look like amateur hour.
Price per point, I agree, but I think there's a natural cap on points-per-night. I don't see how they'd get a way with a points chart that's more expensive than VGC.

If your goal is to travel to Hawaii, you don't need Disney at all. There are better/cheaper/newer properties out there that are actually focused on Hawaii.
Have you been to Aulani?
 
Price per point, I agree, but I think there's a natural cap on points-per-night. I don't see how they'd get a way with a points chart that's more expensive than VGC.

VGC is booked solid at its eye-watering chart. I don't see why the chart would go down. Charts go in one direction. RIV's chart did a lot of the work for Disney.
 
I really don’t understand the I want a blue card. I have a blue card because I bought my points forever ago but don’t see the value in it to be honest
 
I mean the ability to book Riviera and beyond is a real consideration.

Not on the West Coast. DL Tower took decades to get through politically. Definitely nothing happening there for a looooong time other than DL Tower. If you have VGC, you don't care about DL Tower.

I don't see offsite happening ever again after the consistently terrible offsite DVC performance.

If you go to FL from California now and then, the O14 should suffice.

If DL Tower books like VGC, then non-CA points won't be very useful for California, even with DL Tower.
 
Not on the West Coast. DL Tower took decades to get through. Definitely nothing happening there for a looooong time other than DL Tower. If you have VGC, you don't care about DL Tower.

I don't see offsite happening ever again after the consistently terrible offsite DVC performance.

If you go to FL from California now and then, the O14 should suffice.

If DL Tower books like VGC, then non-CA points won't be very useful for California, even with DL Tower.
I wasn't talking VGC. Honestly I think DVC is a horrible choice if you're a WC-only person and envision that you always be.

I'm a big proponent of L14 resale, used primarily at WDW, but I also hate Riviera, so it was never even a question for me.
 
I have a theory that DLT might help Disney finally sell out Aulani. Californians are the natural market for a Hawaii timeshare, and Aulani Direct points will look a lot more appealing than resale if they're able to access DLT with them. DLT buyers who balk at the price point (let's just say $225) might have a much easier time swallowing an Aulani contract that will likely come in around $180 after incentives.

$225 per point seems optimistically low. With VGC direct currently going for $310, I would expect DLT to be closer to $300. You're probably right, high prices could definitely push people to buy Aulani with a goal to book DLT/VGC at the 7 month window. The question becomes will DLT have availability at 7 months? I'm guessing not but only time will tell.
 
$225 per point seems optimistically low. With VGC direct currently going for $310, I would expect DLT to be closer to $300. You're probably right, high prices could definitely push people to buy Aulani with a goal to book DLT/VGC at the 7 month window.
VGC is waitlist-only. Sold out resorts always command a premium. Beach Club direct sells for more than Riviera, and it expires in 20 years.

The question becomes will DLT have availability at 7 months?
No, of course not. But the guides won't tell Aulani buyers that.
 
Meh not so much for us. I don’t really lie Riviera. And at the moment there is no beyond Riivera to worry about. Money now is always better than money later I’d buy resale and save the money frankly
I agree. I just meant that the Riviera restriction is more of a real "something to consider" than the piddly blue card benefits. I still reach the same conclusion that you do.
 



















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