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It was a little Slytherin...wasn't it. :rolleyes1

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Well...I've been re-reading the books. And it seems that Harry actually gets dumber as the books go on. Hmmm. Ha ha. As more crack theories come to light I will enlighten you with them :)

Dumber? Really? I thought Harry was getting more arrogant; being the "Chosen One" and dodging V time after time... Or at least having some "I'm a teenager and I know everything and I'm angry at the world and I don't need anyone!!!!" moments! I definitely had some of those in the not-so-distant-past...

sugahjunior said:
I think that's intentional though. If Harry were the smartest, he would be a little too good to be believed. He admits it himself when they are encouraging him to start the DA that he's survived Voldemort so many times on mostly just luck and nerve. I like that Harry is flawed, that he can be rash and judgmental and emotional. It makes him more "real." I wouldn't want a perfect Harry or even a near perfect Harry.

Flawed heroes so are much more interesting and accessible than perfect ones. Part of Harry's charm is that he is growing. He is learning some universal life lessons and he is beginning to understand his own limits. He's learning to trust others and more importantly, that nobody is perfect. I love that JKR writes Harry to be a big emotional jerk at times (see most of his behavior in OOtP.) That is what makes him human.
 
I'm currently rereading OotP in preparation for the movie - then I'll be on to HBP in prep. for DH!

Last night as I read, I caught a part in OotP where Sirius, Molly, and the children were cleaning out the drawing room at the Black Family home... Anyone think one of the items they might have cleaned out could be a horcrux of Voldy's???

I started thinking about this because while that was happening Sirius was making a big point of telling the kids about his brother, Regulus, and how he was a trusted DE! Perhaps Voldy stored a horcrux in the Black Family home... Just a thought!

Happy speculating while waiting for movie 5 and book 7!
 
Anyone seen this?

Dumbledore: back (in some form) in Book 7

The Times Online and The Observer have both released new interviews with the Harry Potter actor.

Of particular interest to book fans, the latter website provides an interesting experience Dan had with Jo during one of her OOTP set visits:
"Jo came down to the set at one point and I said, 'Oh hello, why are you here today?' And she said, 'Oh I just needed a break from the book - Dumbledore's giving me a lot of trouble.' And I said, 'But isn't he dead?' And she said, 'Well, yeah, but it's more complex...' I was like, [briskly] 'OK, I'm not gonna ask anything else!'"

Of course we all know he's dead but it sure would be nice to know he has something to do with the end of all of this.

Here's the link.
http://www.mugglenet.com/ It's about 3 paragraphs down.

Shelby
 
I'm currently rereading OotP in preparation for the movie - then I'll be on to HBP in prep. for DH!

Last night as I read, I caught a part in OotP where Sirius, Molly, and the children were cleaning out the drawing room at the Black Family home... Anyone think one of the items they might have cleaned out could be a horcrux of Voldy's???

I started thinking about this because while that was happening Sirius was making a big point of telling the kids about his brother, Regulus, and how he was a trusted DE! Perhaps Voldy stored a horcrux in the Black Family home... Just a thought!

Happy speculating while waiting for movie 5 and book 7!

There is speculation that the locket that nobody could open could possibly be the locket the mysterious RAB found and supposedly destroyed. Especially if RAB is Regulus Black.
 

Of particular interest to book fans, the latter website provides an interesting experience Dan had with Jo during one of her OOTP set visits:
"Jo came down to the set at one point and I said, 'Oh hello, why are you here today?' And she said, 'Oh I just needed a break from the book - Dumbledore's giving me a lot of trouble.' And I said, 'But isn't he dead?' And she said, 'Well, yeah, but it's more complex...' I was like, [briskly] 'OK, I'm not gonna ask anything else!'"

When JKR did a reading with Stephen King and John Irving there was a Q&A with the audience. She said not to expect DD to do a Gandolf. Author Salman Rushdie also grilled her on if Snape is good or bad. It was great!

Here is a link to the viedo of the Q&A. It is just under 7 minutes.Click here

I want to say she also said somewhere that even though he is dead, we hadn't seen the last of him, or Sirius. However, I can't source that off the top of my head.

I can't wait to see how she writes him in book 7. Maybe it could all be memories in the Pensieve or perhaps a spirit (not ghost) or even in his Headmaster's portrait.
 
I want to say she also said somewhere that even though he is dead, we hadn't seen the last of him, or Sirius. However, I can't source that off the top of my head.

I can't wait to see how she writes him in book 7. Maybe it could all be memories in the Pensieve or perhaps a spirit (not ghost) or even in his Headmaster's portrait.
::yes::
There was also an interview where someone asked her if the mirror that Sirius gave to Harry would make another appearance. She told that person something to the effect that they were very observant and would be indeed not be disappointed.
AuroraBorealis said:
Dumber? Really? I thought Harry was getting more arrogant; being the "Chosen One" and dodging V time after time... Or at least having some "I'm a teenager and I know everything and I'm angry at the world and I don't need anyone!!!!" moments! I definitely had some of those in the not-so-distant-past...
I'm with you.
I think he's in his "I'm a teenager and I know everything....
besides, who has had more experience with LV than me?"
 
Catching up on a lot of posts:

I can't wait to see how she writes him in book 7. Maybe it could all be memories in the Pensieve or perhaps a spirit (not ghost) or even in his Headmaster's portrait.

There are a lot of options. If we are looking at the books as an archetypal Hero's Journey, Harry is due for a travel to the world of the dead and back. Which would let him talk to Dumbledore, have closure with Sirius, and a quick hug for Mom & Dad before he's off to fight the embodiment of all evil! If it's possible to go into the veil and get back out...

I also agree that perhaps some memories stored in bottles & conveniently labeled (hopefully one that says:Memory of Why I Trust Snape). I don't know if portraits can have meaningful conversations, though.

There is always Aberforth - Albus' brother. He might have some notes or memories his brother left behind. And Harry has got to get his hands on the note that Dumbledore left Aunt Petunia on the doorstep all those years ago.


Dumber? Really? I thought Harry was getting more arrogant; being the "Chosen One" and dodging V time after time... Or at least having some "I'm a teenager and I know everything and I'm angry at the world and I don't need anyone!!!!" moments! I definitely had some of those in the not-so-distant-past...

I wouldn't exactly call him dumb or arrogant. Harry has an extremely hard time accepting any sort of authority. He seldom calls adults Sir or Ma'am, and is even aggressive when talking to Dumbledore. I think that comes from his years with the Dursleys. He really hates being told what to do, and can't stand any situation in which he is powerless.

He is also impulsive, doesn't think things through, and has quite a temper.

All these personality traits can lead to bad decision making, but that's not the same thing as dumb.

There is speculation that the locket that nobody could open could possibly be the locket the mysterious RAB found and supposedly destroyed. Especially if RAB is Regulus Black.

Yes, I think this too. The locket could be in several places. It could be at 12Grimmauld Place. It could be in the hands of Mundungus Fletcher, who is stealing things from the house, or it could have been purchased by Aberforth - remember when Harry encounters Mundungus in Hogsmeade, he appears to be wrapping up a transaction with Aberforth.

That would be a time saver! Harry needs to see Aberforth anyway, to talk about Dumbledore, and it would be handy if he also had the locket.

The locket is supposed to have a serpent on it, in the shape of an "S". I wonder what would happen if Harry spoke to it in Parseltongue....
 
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I think he is just frustrated. Everyone seems to always keep "secrets" from him. When he is at Privet Drive, the letters he gets from Ron & Hermione always seem to have the "can't wait to see you in person to tell you something because we can't write it down" tones. The adults tell him things on a "need to know" basis, but if he stayed in the wizarding world from the time he was an infant instead of being sheltered the way he was at the Dursleys, he would be more familiar with things. We have also seen several instances where Draco knows more about Harry & his life just because he grew up in the wizarding world & his father has told/taught him about the magical stuff.

One example: When the adults tell Harry he needs to learn occlumency. They tell him he just needs to learn to do it. If they told Harry from the beginning WHY he needed to learn it & if they told him that Voldy could use it on him the same way Harry "used" it, he would have been more willing to continue the lessons. Again, those in the wizarding world have been exposed to it enough that they are at least aware of it & what it is used for, but Harry growing up sheltered is still learing that things like this exist &
what it can be used for.

Its kind of like when you are a kid & something happens to someone in the family, but you are not told about it until you are an adult because the adults didn't think you would understand because "you were just a kid".

I don't necessarily think it is just a matter of
"I'm a teenager and I know everything....
besides, who has had more experience with LV than me?"
. From what Harry has NOT been told that everyone else knows, he can't understand why he hasn't been informed of the common knowledge also.

I hope that made sense....:confused: :confused3
 
Okay - I'll admit it - my mind is working crazy overtime trying to piece all of this together... JK Rowling keeps saying that Dumbledore is dead, however there are now rumors that he'll be back for DH!

Could it possibly be that the Dumbledore that is dead is actually his brother Aberforth? She technically wouldn't be lying then, by saying Dumbledore is dead... The whole Snape killing Dumbledore was a set up by all???

Crazy thoughts - I know... HELP ME! :)
 
Okay - I'll admit it - my mind is working crazy overtime trying to piece all of this together... JK Rowling keeps saying that Dumbledore is dead, however there are now rumors that he'll be back for DH!

Could it possibly be that the Dumbledore that is dead is actually his brother Aberforth? She technically wouldn't be lying then, by saying Dumbledore is dead... The whole Snape killing Dumbledore was a set up by all???

Crazy thoughts - I know... HELP ME! :)

ooohhh... Aberforth using polyjuice potion to be his brother?? I never thought about that. I just assumed that we would see Dumbledore in the Morror of Esired (along with Sirius)........

The thoughts keep spinning....
 
There are a lot of options. If we are looking at the books as an archetypal Hero's Journey, Harry is due for a travel to the world of the dead and back. Which would let him talk to Dumbledore, have closure with Sirius, and a quick hug for Mom & Dad before he's off to fight the embodiment of all evil! If it's possible to go into the veil and get back out...

I don't know. Death seems to be pretty clear cut in the wizarding world and I can't see the ability to move back and forth. Although, for the sake of the plot, the veil and arch is probably the doorway between life and death. Perhaps Harry will have a near death experience, visit behind the veil, and wake up? That seems almost too cliche for this story, though...

I hope DD doesn't come back as a ghost. Based on Nearly Headless Nick's explanation of how one becomes a ghost, I don't think DD will.

I also agree that perhaps some memories stored in bottles & conveniently labeled (hopefully one that says:Memory of Why I Trust Snape). I don't know if portraits can have meaningful conversations, though.

Bring on that trusting Snape memory!

While I doubt DD will be limited to a portrait, I think we've seen evidence that the portrait subjects are independent and seem to have some type of free will. The Fat Lady, Nigellus, and others often think for themselves and respond independently. The portraits have always puzzled me; how can they represent a person so well and not be similar to a ghost or contain a piece of that person's soul? Especially since they can move from portrait to portrait and still only be one person. It might not even be significant but I've always wondered... :)

The locket is supposed to have a serpent on it, in the shape of an "S". I wonder what would happen if Harry spoke to it in Parseltongue....[/

Ohh, good idea! Do you think RAB managed to destroy the horcrux or was he was killed before he could and the locket is still active?
 


Could it possibly be that the Dumbledore that is dead is actually his brother Aberforth? She technically wouldn't be lying then, by saying Dumbledore is dead... The whole Snape killing Dumbledore was a set up by all???


This is a nice idea and we'd probably all love for DD to live but JKR has said he is definitely dead. She's not one to mislead her fans so I believe her.
 
Today I saw at Borders one of the cashiers wearing a sticker that said "Trust Snape"... :confused3 Got me thinking about the last book all over again.
 
I saw at Muggle.net if you preorder the book you can get a sticker that says Trust Snape or Snape is a bad man. (something like that!)

My feelings are that as much as I hate to admit it Snape will turn out to be good in the end. I think his role will be big in the way this whole thing plays out. (possibly giving his life for Harry) It would be way too easy for JKR to make him bad since all evidence seems to point in that direction. I've noticed that she is pretty good at throwing a curve ball.

Shelby
 
I can't wait to see how she writes him in book 7. Maybe it could all be memories in the Pensieve or perhaps a spirit (not ghost) or even in his Headmaster's portrait.

I wonder what happens to the memories in a Pensieve after a person dies. I would assume that those memories would die along with the person, but who knows?
 
I wonder what happens to the memories in a Pensieve after a person dies. I would assume that those memories would die along with the person, but who knows?

Memories are not stored in a pensieve. The pensieve is like a dvd player - it shows what you put in it. The memories come from either the person's own mind (as we see Dumbledore and Snape withdrawing memories from their heads) or are stored in bottles. Dumbledore has the memories of Bob Ogden, Hokey, Morfin Gaunt - all in bottles, although those people are long dead.

Assuming that the pensieve Dumbledore has always used is his personal possession, and not belonging to the school, it might be willed to Harry or to Aberforth. Harry might do well to see if he can't withdraw his own memory of the night his parents died - might be useful, although it would be heartbreaking to watch.

I don't know. Death seems to be pretty clear cut in the wizarding world and I can't see the ability to move back and forth. Although, for the sake of the plot, the veil and arch is probably the doorway between life and death. Perhaps Harry will have a near death experience, visit behind the veil, and wake up? That seems almost too cliche for this story, though...

What I meant was that Harry would find a way to, while still alive, travel to the land of the dead, and back. It is a cliche, but it's the sort of cliche that is found in this type of story. Like the Odyssey, the Iliad, the Epic of Gilgamesh, Prometheus, etc.

I'm sure that JKR can find a non-cheesy way to do it, if that's what she wants to do.

In my sillier moments, I imagine Harry leaping through the veil with a rope tied around his waist, which Hermione and Ron are holding fast to. But a near-death experience is more sophisticated. Or perhaps one of his visionary dreams.

My feelings are that as much as I hate to admit it Snape will turn out to be good in the end. I think his role will be big in the way this whole thing plays out. (possibly giving his life for Harry) It would be way too easy for JKR to make him bad since all evidence seems to point in that direction. I've noticed that she is pretty good at throwing a curve ball.

I think the curve ball will be that Snape will ultimately do good, but he is still a distasteful, nasty man. Whatever his personal demons - and we may find out in Deathly Hallows that he had a tragic past or murdered parents or whatever - they aren't excuses for how just plain vile he is. The easy thing is to have the character confess their sins, and give some tragic backstory, so we feel properly sorry for them, and then they ask forgiveness and we give it.

Snape will, I think, still be resentful and hateful toward Harry, still be lost in the past, nursing a schoolboy grudge. And yet he will help Harry defeat Voldemort. I think Snape will actually be the one to kill Voldemort. I think Harry will have to forgive Snape for Harry's sake - but also so Snape can set down whatever burden he has been carrying, about revealing the prophecy. And then die in peace. I think Snape will die in the end.
 
va32h said:
I think Snape will die in the end.

I absolutely think he will too. I don't see where it would be realistic to have him live. At this point, everyone think he has betrayed DD's trust by killing him and they all believe him to be an evil, murdering you-know-what. I think Snape will help Harry but will do it without the Order knowing about it until after he dies. I don't think he wants to be in their good graces. I think he'd be happier helping without having to play nice with the Order. I do think he is fated to die though. For some really odd reason that I can't quite understand, I want Snape to be good. Oh sure, he'll always be a nasty piece of work and will forever hold a childish grudge against James, and ultimately Harry, but I want to think that at his core he really isn't evil. But I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
 
My feelings are that as much as I hate to admit it Snape will turn out to be good in the end. I think his role will be big in the way this whole thing plays out. (possibly giving his life for Harry) It would be way too easy for JKR to make him bad since all evidence seems to point in that direction. I've noticed that she is pretty good at throwing a curve ball.

See, to me either way it's a curveball. A lot of what we've seen could be taken both ways. It just depends on your personal opinion of which you believe. Also, it depends on if you trust Dumbledore or not.
 
It would ruin the book for me if Snape was really bad. I'm serious.

What a cop out. What a NON twist. If Snape WAS going to be bad the twist should have come in book 7 but it did in book 6...that is a BAD TWIST placement in my opinion. Since it happened in book 6 he will have to be redeemed in book 7.

If it turns out that he is bad I will be annoyed because all clues point to that he is good. From the fact that Harry is always wrong about everything (but suddenly he is RIGHT about Snape) to the fact that it would totally SMEAR DD's good name. He trusted Snape for no good reason? He's just an idiot? and he let him be the Dada teacher even knowing that it's a cursed position?

Harry doesn't even have enough magic to kill Voldemort...it will have to be Snape in my opinion. I don't think he will ever be a 'good' guy...but he will be redeemed.
 
This is a nice idea and we'd probably all love for DD to live but JKR has said he is definitely dead. She's not one to mislead her fans so I believe her.
I know she's said that - I'm just holding out hope because I think Harry truly needs to learn more from him! (I can't find anywhere where she's specifically said Albus Dumbledore is dead... Technically she wouldn't be lying by saying "Dumbledore" if it was really Aberforth...) Can't a girl hope!?!?!?
 

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