Midwest to ground all MD80's by the fall [MERGED]

OK, let's say that Midwest has put something down on paper (some sort of internal memo) to be circulated to certain employees about route changes and any dropped destinations...

Is it legal to continue to sell tickets for a service that they know they will not fulfill? Sure, they aren't obligated to fulfill timetable schedules as published since they reserve the right to change flights times & services, yadda yadda yadda. But, can they legally sell tickets for destinations that they know they will not be serving?

It's not ethical, obviously, but I'm just wondering, I honestly have no idea.... Anyone know?
 
Well, on the news it mentioned Fort Lauderdale as one of the destinations getting the ax, but that was it and that information came from employees in Fort Lauderdale. They also mentioned that Austin had quietly dropped off of the schedule. The reporters said the new flight schedule should be known to the public on Sunday. And then they really went into the fact that Midwest is knowingly still selling tickets to flights they know they are not going to continue.
 

Is it legal to continue to sell tickets for a service that they know they will not fulfill?
Under certain circumstances, it would not only be legal to continue to sell tickets for that service, but it may also be illegal and/or unethical to STOP selling tickets for that service (until completing specific procedures for ceasing thaaat offering). There are many parties in this environment, with a vast web of conflicting obligations and requirements. Nothing is straight-forward.
 
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http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/25626864.html


New Information On Midwest Cuts
Tom Murray
Katie DeLong

MILWAUKEE - New information Friday on the cuts at Midwest Airlines.

TODAY’S TMJ4 has learned one of the routes Midwest Airlines is cutting to try to stay out of bankruptcy.

Airport officials in Ft. Lauderdale believe Midwest will stop serving their city in August.

However, the airline is still not releasing their changes and they continue to take reservations for cities they will likely not serve on flights that may not exist.

Frequent fliers like Jerry Tucker anxiously await Midwest’s schedule changes.

"It would affect me negatively if we had to make connecting flights through Detroit or Chicago. We are pretty concerned about that,” Tucker told TODAY'S TMJ4 reporter Tom Murray.

Fliers are concerned that Midwest will reduce the number of flights she needs or drop destinations completely.

When Midwest drops the 12 MD-80s in their fleet this fall, the airline will have no planes that can reach the west coast non-stop from Mitchell International Airport.

Even though the MD-80s will be long gone, you can still book flights on that aircraft to California in January.

And what will Midwest do about the 21 weekly round-trips to Orlando: all of them on MD-80s?

Meantime, travelers consider the changes they would be forced to make...

"Right now, it would be AirTran or maybe go back to Northwest, that used to be a stop in Detroit,” David Barstow said.

TODAY’S TMJ4 has also learned that Midwest quietly pulled Austin, Texas off their schedule. The last flight to that city will be this Sunday.

Insiders believe we may learn the rest of the cuts this weekend.
 
Another site talks about how the really high airfares in the schedule are a clue as to which cities will be dropped because no one is going to pay $800-$1000 for tickets. It's supposedly Midwest's way of discouraging ticket purchases until the schedule can be updated. We guessed that awhile back in this thread...

Today in my checking of my flights I noticed a new develpment in the Midwest schedule- an * for some flights that says they are full coach fares and refundable. Not consistent even for the same flight on different days though. Wonder what that means, if anything? They were still priced over $1000.
 
Another site talks about how the really high airfares in the schedule are a clue as to which cities will be dropped because no one is going to pay $800-$1000 for tickets. It's supposedly Midwest's way of discouraging ticket purchases until the schedule can be updated. We guessed that awhile back in this thread...

Today in my checking of my flights I noticed a new develpment in the Midwest schedule- an * for some flights that says they are full coach fares and refundable. Not consistent even for the same flight on different days though. Wonder what that means, if anything? They were still priced over $1000.

I saw the red * last nite saying this flight was refundable. It was the last leg of the flight. From Indianapolis to Florida. When I clicked on the definition, it didn't have any.

I am on a flight home from Fort Lauderdale. It's not a big problem, we will just have to drive from Homestead back to Orlando to catch a flight back home. I'll have to try Miami airport too.
 
Here is info from Flyertalk. As we are Disney geeks they are to the airline industry so take it FWIW.


These eleven destinations appear to be the goners.

Mainline markets
Fort Myers
Fort Lauderdale
San Diego

CRJ markets
Hartford
Raleigh
Baltimore
San Antonio
St Louis
Louisville
Muskegon
Wausau

Now what will they do with thoose planes from the mainline markets?? Can we hope they replace the MD80 routes to MCO??
 
Here is info from Flyertalk. As we are Disney geeks they are to the airline industry so take it FWIW.


These eleven destinations appear to be the goners.

Mainline markets
Fort Myers
Fort Lauderdale
San Diego

CRJ markets
Hartford
Raleigh
Baltimore
San Antonio
St Louis
Louisville
Muskegon
Wausau

Now what will they do with thoose planes from the mainline markets?? Can we hope they replace the MD80 routes to MCO??

Marquette and Escanaba Michigan were dropped in May, so you can add those to the list.
 
The CRJ isn't excessively fuel efficient, either.
 
Well, we are flying out of Wausau. The flights are now over $1000..
I hope we can get our money back if Midwest leaves Wausau. Midwest already pulled out of Duluth and Rhinelander and Ironwood MI. That leaves us with driving time of over 4 hrs to get to an airport that Midwest uses.:confused3
 
Nut I believe the mainline markets were 717

I think you're right about that - at least Ft. Lauderdale was a 717 route - maybe that will free up some planes that they can use on the Orlando routes??? Swap out 2 Florida destinations for Orlando? Not sure how much profit there is flying to MCO vs. FLL....
 
Since Midwest looks like they are making an effort to shift some traffic through Indianapolis to connect on NW flights, I did a little poking around to see what the new airport would be like if we do end up hanging out there for a 4-5 hour layover (which is the approx layover for the flight combo they are selling from MKE to MCO via IND now)

They'll be opening the new airport Oct. 28 & it looks like it will be pretty nice
http://www.newindianapolisairport.com/

As nice as it may be, I'm still hoping for a better option, though (daring to dream of continued nonstop service :) )
 
I was doing a midday check on flights & saw a weird option on Kayak -
codeshare between NWA & Midwest in Nov (NW selling for $100 less round trip, oddly enough)

MKE->MCO
NW 7856/YX 896 11:50am/3:25pm
MCO -> MKE
NW 7853/YX 897 4:35pm/6:20 pm

Another odd thing is that NW calls the southbound flight coach and the northbound flight first class.

I actually booked #897 for a January 2008 trip back in May, then it was cancelled & I was moved to the later evening flight (#895).

896/897 don't show up in Midwest's timetable, at least I couldn't find them.
Could they have shown up "accidentally" as they are loading the new schedule?
They cant be adding flights to MCO, can they???

Puzzling. :confused:

Time for me to focus on something else until the new schedules are loaded tomorrow. :)
 
Just another person stuck in the same boat with all of you. I am so mad because I looked for the perfect flight and I was so happy about it ... and now this.

I am on the popular 7:55am out of MKE and the 7:20pm out of MCO.

I just checked the Expedia (which is where we booked) and the Midwest website and both still have my flight available -- at a greater than 100% increase in price! I also saw the NorthWest flights for the same time, wonder what that means.

I guess I will just continue to wait -- we are flying out in mid September. I could book another flight, but then what happens in we somehow get lucky and we are not cancelled?
 
MILWAUKEE, July 20, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Milwaukee-based Midwest Airlines today announced its flight schedule for September 8 and beyond. The schedule retains service to 32 cities, including both coasts. It also includes an expansion of Midwest's codeshare agreement with Northwest Airlines, adding more than 100 new city pairs to the program.
"We will remain true to our mission of serving major business destinations with more nonstop flights from Milwaukee than any other airline," said Timothy E. Hoeksema, chairman and chief executive officer. "From Kansas City, we will continue to serve as an important resource for the business community, with flights to key East and West Coast cities. While there will be adjustments to frequency in some of these markets, we will continue to offer convenient service and the unparalleled customer service our passengers expect from us."
Midwest Airlines will eliminate service to three airports: Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.; Ft. Myers, Fla.; and San Diego. Additionally, service to two West Coast destinations -- Los Angeles and Seattle/Tacoma -- will now be offered via Kansas City year-round, in the same way the airline currently offers service to San Francisco. Service on the Milwaukee-Los Angeles and Milwaukee-Seattle/Tacoma routes will be one-stop in both directions, requiring no change of aircraft for passengers.
Service to Orlando will now be offered seasonally during peak travel months. This season, nonstop Milwaukee-Orlando service will commence Oct. 21, 2008 and end April 30, 2009. As Midwest transitions to seasonal Orlando service, it will suspend service to that city from Sept. 8 through Oct. 20. Nonstop service between Kansas City and Orlando will be discontinued, but Kansas City-Orlando service will continue to be available via Milwaukee.
The airline will also discontinue service to eight airports currently served by its Midwest Connect regional jet service: Baltimore; Hartford, Conn.; Louisville, Ky.; Muskegon, Mich.; Raleigh/Durham, N.C.; St. Louis; San Antonio; and Wausau/Stevens Point, Wis. Additionally, it will discontinue its nonstop Kansas City-Madison, Wis. route, but will continue to offer the service via Milwaukee.
The new schedule, which is posted at http://www.midwestairlines.com, also includes frequency and timing adjustments on various routes. To view a map of Midwest's post-September 8 routes, visit http://www.midwestairlines.com/RouteMap090808.
The schedule is a major component of Midwest's overall restructuring plan, necessitated by record fuel prices and the company's previously announced decision to ground its MD-80 fleet.
Passenger Notification
Passengers affected by route or schedule changes will be notified by Midwest (for tickets purchased from Midwest Airlines Reservations or the Midwest Web site) or by their travel agency (for tickets purchased from traditional or online agencies). Due to expected high call volume to the airline's Reservations center, customers holding tickets for flights to any of the eliminated cities or routes are encouraged to visit the airline's Web site at http://www.midwestairlines.com and click the link "View/Change Your Reservations," where they will be able to view their reservation and request a full refund online. For travel agency-issued tickets, customers must have their ticket number or Midwest Airlines six-letter confirmation code available.
Codeshare Expansion
Additionally, Midwest said that it is expanding its codeshare agreement with Northwest Airlines to include service to more than 100 new city pairs. The Midwest Airlines "YX" code will be offered on Northwest-operated routes to destinations beyond Northwest's hubs at Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul and Memphis throughout the United States. Under the codeshare agreement, passengers can book their entire flight on a single ticket, with all segments earning mileage credit in either the Midwest Miles or Northwest WorldPerks(R) frequent flyer programs. The new city options will be announced and added to Midwest's schedule throughout July for travel beginning in late July.
Earlier phases of the Midwest/Northwest codeshare agreement -- which began in late 2007 -- included service from Indianapolis to 14 cities throughout the country, service from major West Coast cities to points in Hawaii, and the Northwest code on a number of Midwest-operated flights. The codeshare is expected to eventually add hundreds of new city pairs and flight options for travelers, greatly expanding the networks of both airlines.
Midwest Airlines features jet service throughout the United States, including Milwaukee's most daily nonstop flights and best schedule to major destinations. Catering to business travelers and discerning leisure travelers, the airline earned its reputation as "The best care in the air" by providing passengers with impeccable service and onboard amenities at competitive fares. More information is available at http://www.midwestairlines.com.

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