MCO to begin using the new scanners within next 2-3 weeks

[maxiesmom]

I don't think airline employees should have to look for another job because they don't want to be scanned. Honestly thats riduculous. I suppose you think I should quit nursing because I don't wan't the flu shot forced on me. Not to many people believe in freedom any more I guess.

You are not being forced to go thru the scanner. You can choose to avoid it and be patted down. But yeah, I think if you work at the airport you should have to choose one of the same screening options they are making the rest of the public pick from.

 

[Buzz's Buddy]

I'm not sure I understand the complaints from airline/airport employees about going through these scanners or pat downs. It has nothing to do with being treated as a criminal, it's all about trying to make flying safer.

I am a civilian employee for a corrections department. I was fingerprinted and had a background check before I got this job. Every single day that I enter the facility, I have to empty my pockets and go through a metal detector. Anything I am bringing into the facility goes through an x-ray machine. Finally, I receive a pat-down search before being allowed to enter.

Do I feel like a criminal? NO! It's part of the job and it's done in an effort to prevent weapons, cell phones, drugs, etc. from getting into the facility. Never in a million years would I ever think of bringing any of these items into the facility. But guess what, someone, somewhere is doing it because inmates do get ahold of these things. Obviously, it's not a perfect system because things do get in. But does that mean they should just scrap the process? Or should they try to make it better?

 

[Laurabearz]

My family and I will be standing in the pat down line

 

[deegack]

My family and I will be standing in the pat down line

My family and I will be right there behind you!

 

[CPT Tripss]

I'm not sure I understand the complaints from airline/airport employees about going through these scanners or pat downs. It has nothing to do with being treated as a criminal, it's all about trying to make flying safer.

I am a civilian employee for a corrections department. I was fingerprinted and had a background check before I got this job. Every single day that I enter the facility, I have to empty my pockets and go through a metal detector. Anything I am bringing into the facility goes through an x-ray machine. Finally, I receive a pat-down search before being allowed to enter.Do I feel like a criminal? NO! It's part of the job and it's done in an effort to prevent weapons, cell phones, drugs, etc. from getting into the facility. Never in a million years would I ever think of bringing any of these items into the facility. But guess what, someone, somewhere is doing it because inmates do get ahold of these things. Obviously, it's not a perfect system because things do get in. But does that mean they should just scrap the process? Or should they try to make it better?

First of all, I'm NOT suggesting that the whole process be scrapped . . .

I agree with you on the bolded part . . . all people passing into the airside "secure area" of an airport should be screened in the same, consistant manner - passengers, airport employees, flight crews AND TSA screeners as well as other TSA employees.

As far as naivety, thinking that TSA theatrics provides security fits that bill. Does anyone really think that if TSA made "the big catch" at an airport checkpoint it wouldn't be all over CNN, FOX, MSNBC and all the over the air national networks? (Editted to clarify that this last is not in response to Buzz's Buddy.)

 

[maxiesmom]

As far as naivety, thinking that TSA theatrics provides security fits that bill. Does anyone really think that if TSA made "the big catch" at an airport checkpoint it wouldn't be all over CNN, FOX, MSNBC and all the over the air national networks? (Editted to clarify that this last is not in response to Buzz's Buddy.)

I think it would depend.

My dad is friends with someone who works security at the Minneapolis/St Paul airport. There is a lot more going on in the airports than people would want to know.

I also thought to ask my dad this morning what his friend thought of the new screening process. He said they have had quite a few conversations about it, as our local airport is getting them before dad and I fly to WDW this December. Dad is curious as to how they work. And his friend told him they cannot see any of your private parts on the scanners. Made some jokes about how no matter how "impressive" your parts are, the screeners will not be giving you high 5's, they simply can't see it. What they see is a body outline. They are not looking to see your body, but to see if you have anything strapped to it under your clothes.

Every person should feel free to skip the scan if they want. But that shouldn't mean they get to by-pass all security measures. Maybe they will come up with something that offends fewer people, but right now you can choose to not go thru the scanner and be patted down. Those are your choices, like them or not.

My guess would be that if enough people choose to not fly, then the airlines will work harder at finding alternatives. But that remains to be seen.

 

[princesspeach]

You are not being forced to go thru the scanner. You can choose to avoid it and be patted down. But yeah, I think if you work at the airport you should have to choose one of the same screening options they are making the rest of the public pick from.

Telling someone to quit ther job because they don't agree with something is my opinion meant to provoke anger. I will not fall for the bait. Sorry to disappoint you, but my dh will not be quitting his job. He will continue to provide for his family and make sure people safely reach thier destinations. There are other ways to fight for what you believe in other then quitting. 15 years ago ground crew airline employees did not have to go through security at all. Now they are treated with more scrutiny then passengers. Maybe you think everybody thats unhappy with something at work should just quit. I prefer to look for better solutions. We have enough people on unemployment in this country.

 

[maxiesmom]

Telling someone to quit ther job because they don't agree with something is my opinion meant to provoke anger. I will not fall for the bait. Sorry to disappoint you, but my dh will not be quitting his job. He will continue to provide for his family and make sure people safely reach thier destinations. There are other ways to fight for what you believe in other then quitting. 15 years ago ground crew airline employees did not have to go through security at all. Now they are treated with more scrutiny then passengers. Maybe you think everybody thats unhappy with something at work should just quit. I prefer to look for better solutions. We have enough people on unemployment in this country.

I am not trying to "provoke anger". Your DH is not being forced to go thru the scanner. No one is.

And I do think the ground crew should not be exempt from secuity screening. Unfortunately you simply cannot say that every person who applies for a job at the airport has a good heart and means no harm. The only way to even try to keep people safe is to screen everyone. If your husband just disagrees with screening of any kind then yes, he should look for another line of work. Because that is just not going to happen. However if he just objects to the new screening he should be subjected to other screening. Skipping the screening shouldn't and isn't an option.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Ditto to Maxies comments

 

[goofy4tink]

Telling someone to quit ther job because they don't agree with something is my opinion meant to provoke anger. I will not fall for the bait. Sorry to disappoint you, but my dh will not be quitting his job. He will continue to provide for his family and make sure people safely reach thier destinations. There are other ways to fight for what you believe in other then quitting. 15 years ago ground crew airline employees did not have to go through security at all. Now they are treated with more scrutiny then passengers. Maybe you think everybody thats unhappy with something at work should just quit. I prefer to look for better solutions. We have enough people on unemployment in this country.

I'm not seeing where that poster told anyone to 'quite their job'...yes, a bit back they suggested that if someone doesn't like a certain proceedure that is necessary in their job, then they may want to rethink that job, but I don't see that as trying to provoke anyone's anger. It actually makes sense. Everyone has to weigh what is involved in their jobs and decide if all policies/proceedures are going to be livable for them. If something is not, then they need to decide if it may be worth looking for another job.

As far as who goes through screening....every single person that goes past security at an airport, be it pilot, passenger, FA, baggage person, or the person who cleans the cabin in between flights. Every single person is a 'possible' terrorist. There have been plenty of articles about ground crew bringing items to the work area with them that would not be allowed past security. Security is security....should be the same for everyone.

And again I will say.....is this the perfect answer to airline security? Of course it isn't. Someday, at some point down the road, we are going to look back at this period and laugh at what we thought 'secure' was. Something better is going to come along. But for the time being, this is what we've got and this is what we have to work with. Everyone is given several options for passing through the security area. Up to each person to decide how they want to proceed. You prefer to be patted down? Fine. I don't. I prefer that wonderful 'picture' of me. I really don't care for a strangers hands all over me. But, that's MY choice. You are more than free to make your own choices. There is no right way or wrong way.

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

Badged airline/airport employees are only required to undergo security screening to enter the sterile area of an airport prior to flying, whether that be as a uniformed crew member, non-rev or a paying passenger. They are not required to undergo security screening to access the secure or the sterile areas otherwise. The TSA has argued the full body scanning doesn't violate privacy because the TSA employee viewing the images is isolated from the screening area. He is, however, in contact via radio with screeners manning the machines and is able to receive identifying information from them.

And yes, there are plenty of behavior detection and analysis activities going on even before one approaches security... nevermind that TSA has no jurisdiction there. How far should their authority extend? The parking lots? The adjacent roadways? Anywhere within a 2 mile radius?

First of all, I'm NOT suggesting that the whole process be scrapped . . .

I agree with you on the bolded part . . . all people passing into the airside "secure area" of an airport should be screened in the same, consistant manner - passengers, airport employees, flight crews AND TSA screeners as well as other TSA employees.

As far as naivety, thinking that TSA theatrics provides security fits that bill. Does anyone really think that if TSA made "the big catch" at an airport checkpoint it wouldn't be all over CNN, FOX, MSNBC and all the over the air national networks? (Editted to clarify that this last is not in response to Buzz's Buddy.)

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I have been trying to understand you folks againist the secriuty scans and/or pat downs?.......The TSA is there for our protection.......if you have seen the actual pictures these scan units put out I am sure most of you would laugh it off..........its like a X ray,little or no detail.........

Ex priate shop girl....you seem concerned that TSA is doing survielance before seciurty?..and this is a problem?.to watch the movements, looking for suspious behaviors?

Have you looked around the country? the world?....been to a mall?.city street?..subway??....casino?.bank? parking garage?...........cameras all over the place,your recorded and often being watched for suspicous behavor there. but that is not a problem?????


Sorry.I really think your concerns are being wrongly placed......

The only good thing is I know its not going to be stopped ......thank God smarer minds will make sure of that!

BTW..pardon my spelling

AKK

 

[princesspeach]

I'm not seeing where that poster told anyone to 'quite their job'...yes, a bit back they suggested that if someone doesn't like a certain proceedure that is necessary in their job, then they may want to rethink that job, but I don't see that as trying to provoke anyone's anger. It actually makes sense. Everyone has to weigh what is involved in their jobs and decide if all policies/proceedures are going to be livable for them. If something is not, then they need to decide if it may be worth looking for another job.

As far as who goes through screening....every single person that goes past security at an airport, be it pilot, passenger, FA, baggage person, or the person who cleans the cabin in between flights. Every single person is a 'possible' terrorist. There have been plenty of articles about ground crew bringing items to the work area with them that would not be allowed past security. Security is security....should be the same for everyone.

And again I will say.....is this the perfect answer to airline security? Of course it isn't. Someday, at some point down the road, we are going to look back at this period and laugh at what we thought 'secure' was. Something better is going to come along. But for the time being, this is what we've got and this is what we have to work with. Everyone is given several options for passing through the security area. Up to each person to decide how they want to proceed. You prefer to be patted down? Fine. I don't. I prefer that wonderful 'picture' of me. I really don't care for a strangers hands all over me. But, that's MY choice. You are more than free to make your own choices. There is no right way or wrong way.

You obviously have not read all her posts. I have flown all over the world without going through security or puting my carryons through. Prior to the patriot act this was not an issue. But that is way to complicated to get into for these boards. I am not oppossed to airline employees going through security just the scannings and pat downs in general. I feel they are unnessarry and too invasive. I am glad they make some people feel safer. I just see things a different way. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I will continue to fly for free and enjoy my 40% discount disney and other hotels give airline employees. At least my dh gets something for having to be screened everyday. I am hoping that some day things get so invasive that people will finally say enough. I am afraid people will just to whatever big bro says because after all its for there "own good". I think I have said enough on this subject. I think I'll try to stick to the threads that are about disney. This is the disney boards after all.

 

[maxiesmom]

You obviously have not read all her posts. I have flown all over the world without going through security or puting my carryons through. Prior to the patriot act this was not an issue. But that is way to complicated to get into for these boards. I am not oppossed to airline employees going through security just the scannings and pat downs in general. I feel they are unnessarry and too invasive. I am glad they make some people feel safer. I just see things a different way. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I will continue to fly for free and enjoy my 40% discount disney and other hotels give airline employees. At least my dh gets something for having to be screened everyday. I am hoping that some day things get so invasive that people will finally say enough. I am afraid people will just to whatever big bro says because after all its for there "own good". I think I have said enough on this subject. I think I'll try to stick to the threads that are about disney. This is the disney boards after all.

I hope you will answer this for me:what would you consider appropriate screening for an airline employee? If not the screening or pat-downs what? I really don't understand why you believe employees should be able to go thru a lesser screening. Can you vouch for the good intentions of all airport/airline employees?

 

[NotUrsula]

I also thought to ask my dad this morning what his friend thought of the new screening process. He said they have had quite a few conversations about it, as our local airport is getting them before dad and I fly to WDW this December. Dad is curious as to how they work. And his friend told him they cannot see any of your private parts on the scanners. Made some jokes about how no matter how "impressive" your parts are, the screeners will not be giving you high 5's, they simply can't see it. What they see is a body outline. They are not looking to see your body, but to see if you have anything strapped to it under your clothes.

Um, actually, they can (that is, the person watching the xray monitor can; not the folks at the checkpoint); it's blurry, but it's there. Photos are readily available on the web, and there was one incident at MIA where one TSO teased another one for months about what he had seen on the image during training, until the man physically attacked him for it. (Google "Rolando Negrin" for the story.) There was another incident at LHR where a male security worker harassed a female coworker about having seen her breasts.

I've seen the photos. (Google "sample backscatter photos") In situations where one body part overlaps another, you can see a definite shadow outline of the flesh; it isn't just a skeletal image.

Privacy is fairly secure for passengers because of the person monitoring the xray screen being in another room, but for workers, there is always the possibility that the person in the monitor room might be told via radio who is going through the scanner at a particular time, if the checkpoint workers know that person.

 

[CPT Tripss]

I have been trying to understand you folks againist the secriuty scans and/or pat downs?.......The TSA is there for our protection.......if you have seen the actual pictures these scan units put out I am sure most of you would laugh it off..........its like a X ray,little or no detail.........

Ex priate shop girl....you seem concerned that TSA is doing survielance before seciurty?..and this is a problem?.to watch the movements, looking for suspious behaviors?

Have you looked around the country? the world?....been to a mall?.city street?..subway??....casino?.bank? parking garage?...........cameras all over the place,your recorded and often being watched for suspicous behavor there. but that is not a problem?????


Sorry.I really think your concerns are being wrongly placed......

The only good thing is I know its not going to be stopped ......thank God smarer minds will make sure of that!

BTW..pardon my spelling

AKK

From the TSA website - here are the images they released for public consumption.

I can see genitalia as well as underwear.

 

[CPT Tripss]

You will get more radiation exposure 35,000 feet in the air in your airplane than you will in the scanner. The only people who it might affect negatively are the ones who need to be in front of it helping people in and out all day. They're the ones who will get the biggest doses of radiation and even that is a small amount compared to what OSHA says is acceptable.

I work for TSA

Can you explain why TSA employees do not have to be screened each time they pass from landside to airside?

 

[maxiesmom]

From the TSA website - here are the images they released for public consumption.

I can see genitalia as well as underwear.

From what I see, you can tell it is there, but not really what it looks like. It is not like a photo of it.

If I was that individual, I would be more insulted that my butt looks all wrinkley.

 

[ls1222]

Wow..........I googled some images and I will be in the pat down line!! I am not all that modest but this just seems ridiculous!!

 

[princesspeach]

I hope you will answer this for me:what would you consider appropriate screening for an airline employee? If not the screening or pat-downs what? I really don't understand why you believe employees should be able to go thru a lesser screening. Can you vouch for the good intentions of all airport/airline employees?

How about just a medal detector thats been good enough up until a few months ago. When I worked for the airlines we were exempt from security. Last time I checked no airline employees have hijacked planes or blown anything up. Airline employees already go through extensive background checks. The difference between an employee and a passenger is the airline employee is subjected to the screening and pat downs everyday. They say the screening aren't harmful, but do you really know that. Why do you have such a bug up your behind about airline employees anyway. When you have to be screened everyday or patted down come back and talk about it. You know where I stand on the issue. Why not just let it go. Something tells me you won't.