McCain Speech... What a hero

[Charade]

Is there a prize for who makes the dumbest comment of the day?

The day isn't over yet. Stick around...

 

[Charade]

Just like I know that I will be paying for this war until I am 50 years old as will my children if I chose to have any.

You don't think that the many MANY other things the government is going to spend YOUR tax dollars on over the next 50 years is going to be MUCH more expensive than the Iraq war?

 

[PlainJane]

But why is it, that in certain states your college is free?

I just think that today many people are having their children join the Military because that is how they can afford college and have a better life for themselves, instead they are going off to fight a war and not even getting the education they deserve.

I just feel that it should be available to everyone that wants to go. I did not want to go to college, that was my choice but part of it was because I didn't want my mother to be in debt and I also didn't want to be in debt.

I look at my cousin who is 36 years old and he is STILL paying off his debt, with 2 kids and a home.

Why put them in debt to start off with?

You don't have to be saddled with a ton of debt. I'm starting off at community college, and then transferring to a state university.

My mom did the same thing, and she worked while she was in school to pay it off.

Yeah, she didn't get to go to a fancy private school, and neither will I, but I will get an education all the same.

 

[talulabelle]

Here's an interesting commercial...I copied this from another thread...

With BO's friends, who needs enemies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89m0...obama.com/home

 

[SplashMtnCrew]

Healthcare is also important to me as well and Obama wants to make sure that EVERY single American has it, not just those that can afford it.

Hello Again

Healthcare is very important to me as well. I don't agree that it is something that should be forced upon me by the gov't to either take or pay for. Not everyone that pays for insurance can *afford* it. I can think of a million other things that I can do with that money, BUT as a responsible person, not saying that you aren't responsible it is my responsibility to pay for the things I want, it is no way your responsibility to pay it for me nor would I want you to.

Sometimes I wonder if the word 'equal' has taken on a different meaning other than its intended definition regarding the Constitution. All men being created equal to me means: no person is better than any other person and we all have an equal opportunity in America to succeed and play fair. I personally don't believe it means that I am entitled to have all the 'stuff' that others have. Just b/c the neighbors have a candy bar doesn't mean I'm entitled to one nor does it mean that the gov't owes me one. B/c frankly speaking, I find that it would be 'unequal' for everyone to recieve the same healthcare, when I've been paying for mine all along. Would I get my money back?
You asked in another post about why put people in debt to start with, well, as crazy as it seems, it takes money to make money. I hope that someday you will reconsider your stand on not going to college in order to stay out of debt as you said. That is something you really need to research, a smart, decent young person such as yourself has a lot to offer the people of America and college, even community college or trade school, will be invaluable in your future.
Take Care

 

[mickeysgal]

I must be incorrect then about College if you are a resident of the State of Florida then. It was under my assumption that if they went to a state school their college was paid for.

I also know that NOTHING is free, someone has to pay for it.

Just like I know that I will be paying for this war until I am 50 years old as will my children if I chose to have any.

That someone should be you. Not the goverment via taxes paid for by U.S. citizens.

It can be done. Community college, working your way through, student loans, saving prior. It's a student's responsibility, not the goverment's. You (the collective you) decide what kind of life you want and you go out and earn it. Student loans have such a low interest rate - it's a huge investment in your future and a smart investment. This is one of the few cases where debt is good.

 

[*disgal*]

found this interesting article written by the La Times. I'm thinking 17.2 BILLION dollars would go far for paying for the war. And that was just one year.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/pig-book.html

 

[Mickeyistheman]

Hello Slpsh,



I do understand where you are coming from and I agree with you that no one person is better than the other. Everyone should be treated equally, however that is not the case at this time.

In my line of work, college would not have been the best suit for me, being in the field working in the office was the best experience and I am truly grateful, did I miss out on the "fun college experience" yes but I made up for it

I worked for a wonderful company for 10 years and I had very good healthcare, I left there b/c a raise was just not being given and it was time to move up and on to better things. This new company that I had begun to work for stated in their contract and in each of my interviews 2 via the telephone and 2 in their offices. After 3 months it will then take affect, I filled out the forms and that was it. I am quite lucky that I am healthy and take care of myself BUT this company would not give me my insurance. I had a very bad incident back in April. Came out of nowhere and it was very bad I could have died.

I didn't have the insurance, my employer kept saying to me, b/c I had asked every week at our meetings when it was going to take effect and they kept saying its coming, dont worry. Well now what do I do? The bills are crazy and I certainly do not have the money to pay for them. I left that job for that reason and a few others.

That is why I am concerned of Healthcare b/c I didn't have it and now I am in so much more debt it isn't even funny.

I am now working for an amazing company and do have insurance again so I don't have to worry. I just look at the future, you know being as young as I am

Didn't mean to go OT there just wanted to explain where I stood on that issue.

I feel that Obama will do what he can to make sure that all are treated equally and that everyone can have the same oppurtunity as the next person. I respect those that are for Mccain, you should stand by your choice of candidate. I liked him a few years ago, I liked what he was doing. Recently though I'd say over the past 2 years (to me) he had changed.

I could be wrong about the College being paid for in Florida, I can't find where I had read that. So if someone does know PM me the link.

Peace

 

[SplashMtnCrew]

Mickeyistheman:
I suppose its fair to say that we agree on lots of things, but on how to solve some of the problems is where we disagree. BTW, I'm glad things are working out for you now
Keep Moving Forward ~ Walt Disney

 

[Nik's Mom]

The guy on CNN last night after the speech said that McCain definitely won't win the Presidency by his oratory skills, then he said, but he very well might win it on his character.
On Fox they said that McCain's strong suit isn't standing in one place and giving a speech, he prefers a more relaxed, informal setting where he can hold the mike in his hand, walk around, not use a teleprompter and interact with the audience. I tend to agree with both statements.
They also said that the green background was actually a lawn in front of school (the screen was so big that all we could see was the green part).

Yup, I heard the same talking heads. It really doesn't matter to me if someone gives a good speech. It's the content of the speech, not the delivery that is important.

 

[segpm08060]

I was stating that being a community organizer does not stack up to being a senator for decades. That was all. And it says a lot that people are trying to make more of the job than it is.

Are community organizers good. Sure. But it isn't even close being a senator. And to try to make it so, well that is a joke.

I agree that community work is good, it is not a qualifier for POTUS, and to compare a community organizer to a senator is comparing apples and oranges. If you look at both candidates resumes, then McCain's experience as a POW and his years in the Senate are more impressive and very few people could compete with that kind of resume except of course in 2000 someone did. Thus, political elections are not solely based on paper resumes and experience. (I know someone will respond and say that at least Bush had more experience being a Governor than Obama. Which supports the point that experience does not equal successful results.)

 

[manning]

SplashMtnCrew-



In regards to Education, which Mccain did speak of last night, he was talking about better public schools BUT he also mentioned Chartered and Private schools which do cost more money.

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That's what public schools need, a good dose of competition!!!!

 

[Mickeyistheman]

Splsh, I tried to send you a PM but was not able to.

It's okay that we can agree to disagree that is what makes this country so great, we have the Freedom to do that.

Your last line, made me cry - sitting here at my desk at work.

Totally OT so sorry for taking over thread for a moment.

My brother is a Marine and is leaving for Iraq this weekend. He came home to see us one more time before he leaves for 7 months. We said good bye to him on Weds, right before we went to the gate, a song came on and I don't even know how I could hear it but I did and it was the Rob Thomas song that is sung at the end of Meet the Robinsons, it gets me every time I watch that movie. Hearing that song and saying good bye was heartwrenching for me.

So I thank you for those truly kind words. It made me smile and cry at the same time.

 

[MossMan]

How insulting. So half the country (Republicans) are fools?

This thread, and a few others, are so sad and the nastiness in them, between fellow DISers, is horrible.

If there is nastiness in the DIS, wouldn’t you agree there is nastiness on both sides. If you read your entire post it seems to suggest that whatever nastiness is on the DIS comes from only from people who are opposed to your political point of view.

I totally agree. There are some very sad posters on the Dis these days. Instead of praising their own candidate all they can do is knock down the other. I guess because they have nothing to praise in their own. Did you see him on The O'Reilly Factor? Pitiful.

Jennifer, did you read what you wrote? You are arguing that people on the DIS need to stop knocking the other candidate down. Then in the very next sentence you knock the other candidate down.

 

[OceanAnnie]

I agree that community work is good, it is not a qualifier for POTUS, and to compare a community organizer to a senator is comparing apples and oranges. If you look at both candidates resumes, then McCain's experience as a POW and his years in the Senate are more impressive and very few people could compete with that kind of resume except of course in 2000 someone did. Thus, political elections are not solely based on paper resumes and experience. (I know someone will respond and say that at least Bush had more experience being a Governor than Obama. Which supports the point that experience does not equal successful results.)

It isn't comparing apples to oranges when you are looking at candidates for the same job. People on this thread are stating McCain is not qualified for being the president. That's nuts. You can't reduce Senate experience to a "paper resume". It can't be done. Political elections are largely based on experience. This election is unusual in how little actual experience Obama has (and Palin). As far as successful results from Obama, that remains to be seen.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I had no idea he was a POW for so long, he has amazing character and that is priceless these days.

 

[MossMan]

He chose to stay so as not to dishonor himself, his men or his country. He chose to stay so as not to have his picture mounted in the Ho Chi Minh Museum in Hanoi.....along side of John Kerry's.

How exactly does John Kerry factor into this?

But before you answer, you are wrong. Take a look for yourself on Snopes. Kerry and McCain both went to Vietnam as official representatives of the American government to help normalize relationships. In that capacity, Kerry had a picture taken. This would be like a picture being taken of Nixon when he went to China for the first time and to have that picture now hanging in some Chinese museum.

Kerry and McCain both should have their service to their country honored. That wasn't an issue in the mid-90's before either ran for President. As McCain put it in 2004, dishonoring one Vet’s service is akin to dishonoring the service of all Vets.

Wonderful bipartisan speech!

It is truly awful that someone would knock a POW. It's pretty low. But not surprising from what I've read on this board. Sad. Sick.

I agree that it is wrong to knock a POW for being a POW. But is it OK to disagree with a POW? Many people knocked John Kerry’s service in 2004. They called Kerry a liar and a murderer despite the fact his country had commended Kerry for bravery.

In 2004 John McCain condemned those who attacked John Kerry’s service record for political gain. I agreed with McCain with then. I agree with him still.

The normal tour of duty in vietnam was 13 months.

After given a choice, Kerry decided to bail out after several months and he had it easy compared to McCain and those who had to fight in the jungle.

Talk about comparing character.

McCain's conditions were far worse. Unlike other prisoners who didn't have a choice, as he did, he chose to stay.

This speaks to his character in VOLUME.

See above comment. Why is it OK to attack some Vet’s service but it’s not OK to attack the service of others?

I adress this questiion to both Democrats and Republicans. It seems as if it’s OK for Republicans to demean a Democrat like Kerry for his service to his county, but they object when Democrats do the same to Republicans. The reverse is true for Democrats

Maybe honoring service is something Americans should do for Americans. Maybe political affiliation has nothing to do with it. Instead of accusing the other political party, just stop doing it yourself.

 

[MossMan]

I agree, we shouldn't choose him just for that. It is only one reason to vote for him. We also have his experiences after the war. Years and years of experience. Contrast that to Obama who has experience following the Chicago Democratic Machine. Years and years of experience. Including selling poliltical favors for money. Also, years and years of experience.

The charge in this post is that Obama sells poltical favors for money. That’s a very serious charge. There is exactly no evidence presented to back up this incredibly serious claim. This is the type of thing that people actually go to jail for. But in this post it is an offhand remark that takes Obama’s campaign to task for unfair campaign strategies.

Yes, but you see, according to the Obama camp, we shouldn't be talking about that. Of course, we also can't talk about Obama's experience. Or about his wifes comments on the campaign trail. Or about his pastor of 20 years. Nor about one of his good friends for 20 years. Nor about one of his good friends now in jail. Nor about the issues either. The only thing we should be talking about is Bristol Palin.

Obama’s experience, his wife’s comments, his colleagues from decades ago, his lack of specifity on issues and his Pastor have been discussed almost constantly by Obama’s political foes for over a year now. The press has looked into all of these. In some cases, the press is still looking into these issues.

Obama’s campaign has talked about these issues constantly. I’m sure Obama’s campaign would rather talk about other issues, but they know they have to face these questions head on.

In fact the one time it appeared in one speech the Obama campaign was trying to deflect criticism by bringing up race, Obama was roundly attacked for playing the race card. If the Obama campaign was truly exploring whether it could use race to deflect difficult questions, it instantly stopped such an exploration. The campaign has returned to answering questions head on.

We have known about Bristol for a matter of hours so far. The Obama campaign has so far only been supportive of Bristol and her boyfriend. There are many questions to ask Palin.

You may completely disagree with Obama’s policies. You may feel he is a poor candidate for POTUS. Certainly argue these points and vote against the man.

But don’t say he hasn’t done things he has done. And his political rival does not deserve unfair coverage, but at least admit his poltical rival shouldn’t be shielded from the coverage he has received.

 

[Mr Man]

I thought John McCain did a very good job with this speech. He is not a natural when it comes to this sort of formal teleprompter speech where his every move and gesture is micro-examined.

I think his tone was pitch perfect (if a little slow for the first half).

He really does have an inspiring back-story......one that I have generally passed over quickly while moving from issue to issue. He is deserving of more respect than he gets just based on his sacrifices during his service IMO.

I also thought he was right to speak of bi-partisan issues and his willingness to work with the other side of the aisle (funny, don't recall this sort of willingness to work together from the DNC.....maybe it was muted by all the "Obama" chants). I also noticed John McCain had no problem criticizing Republicans in Congress also (quite a few of them deserve it richly).

It was interesting that education was spoken of so prominently. Perhaps school vouchers will become a reality?

He talked about a lot of things he wants to do.......some that make my spidey sense tingle.....but I am willing to take this risk and see what he can do for the American people when he becomes President.

 

[MossMan]

John McCain's service to his country and subsequent time as POW shows us some things. McCain has personal courage. His actions while a POW also demonstrate an integrity that many people like to think they have, but few know they have.

These are both great traits to have in a President.

But McCain's experience as a POW did not bless him with sound judgment. McCain has very good judgement, but this is an ability that is unrelated to his POW experiences.

I'm sure there are many brave POW's who do not have all the skills to be President. I'm grateful McCain is one of those POW's who does have the skills. We need a man who has the skills and has the integrity. And how do we know McCain has the integrity, because his past allows us to see for ourselves.

McCain is truly a great candidate for President.