McCain Speech... What a hero

[MossMan]

It is all part of the Rezko saga in Chicago. He got his house, his $1.4 million dollar house he had to have with Rezko's help. Rezko then got Obamas support in the State Senate. Coincidence? I think not.

I agree with you that it is a very serious charge. Unfortunately, the media doesn't think it is worth investigating. They are too busy investigating if Bristol Palin was the mother of Trig.

Go to Fact Check. I'm not sure who you listen to regularly for information, but go to Fact Check. The Obamas bought property from Rezko's wife for market value. Let me repeat that: Market Value. Rezko didn't give the land to the Obamas. In fact the Obamas had to make two higher bids to get the land.

Obama then later wrote a letter in support of low-cost Seniors Housing Rezko was involved in. Let me point out that low-cost Senior housing is something Obama normally supports.

So for having the chance to buy land at Market Value, the Obama's got to support some low-cost Seniors Housing.

Maybe this has been investigated. Maybe that's all there is to the story.

This mother of Trig story is confusing to me. I certainly don't see any major news outlets investigating it. The first time I saw it was here on the DIS. I figured it was rumor or gossip. I'm sure there are some who will have fun with these kinds of rumors. These are just like the rumors about Michelle Obama calling someone "Whitey". You can't stop gossip. It affects both campaigns.

But I doubt such unsubstantiated rumors are preventing the MSM from investigating serious financial allegations concerning a Presidential candidate.

 

[MossMan]

And Moveon.org isn't? What about Sosos? Isn't he a rich Democrat ready to make any claim against a Republican to have him defeated?

The swift boat ad against Kerry had nothing to do with my vote in 2004, but I'm sure it did for others. It may or may not have affected enough to win the election. I do agree it shouldn't have been an issue at all. It shouldn't have been in play. It was wrong to happen. It still doesn't justify the attempted destruction of a 17 year old girl.

If Soros calls a decorated Vet a coward or murderer, then he should be roundly condemned. Honorable liberals should join conservatives in that condemnation.

But absolutely no one is making the argument that calling Kerry a coward justifies whatever wrongs are being done to Palins daughter. If people are unfairly attacking Palin or her family for political gain, it is wrong. It is wrong in the same way all unfair political attacks are wrong.

But condemning unfair political attacks means nothing unless you are willing to recognize and condemn such attacks when they occur on the right and the left.

Palin has undoubtedly been unfairly attacked for political reasons. But so has Biden and McCain and Obama. If you really want to make a point about unfair attacks on Palin, first make a point about unfair attacks on politicians you oppose.

 

[Rebelmom67]

That wasn't the issue. He was accused by men that did also lay their lives on the line. I brought it up because it was a different scenario than McCain's.

FTR. I didn't say it was right. But it is still a different scenario to me.

Exactly.

 

[MossMan]

That wasn't the issue. He was accused by men that did also lay their lives on the line. I brought it up because it was a different scenario than McCain's.

This means in order to viciously attack the service record of a Vet, you need to have another Vet who is ready to back up the attacks.

Vicious accusations that decorated servicemen are cowards and murderers should be condemned no matter who supports these accusations. If some wants to attack McCain for his Service Record, it does not make it OK if you can find some POWs to support the attack.

 

[Mr Man]

This means in order to viciously attack the service record of a Vet, you need to have another Vet who is ready to back up the attacks.

Vicious accusations that decorated servicemen are cowards and murderers should be condemned no matter who supports these accusations. If some wants to attack McCain for his Service Record, it does not make it OK if you can find some POWs to support the attack.

Just jumping in at the last second (still have 1/2 a beer, and I hate waste)

No, it is not exclusive to those who served in Vietnam, but given that these critics of Sen Kerry fought the same ground does lend them credence I think. That, and the number of them that stood to be counted is an indication that something is there.

But, is it not true that Sen Kerry, as part of the Winter Soldier movement is the one who did the accusing though?

I am keeping it specific to Sen Kerry because he separated himself from myself and other veterans when he threw those medals over the White House fence.......then came back 20+ years later with a snappy salute.....

I dunno. It is traveled ground, but interesting.

Regards,

 

[MossMan]

MossMan,

You are a decent person. I enjoy your posts very much. Did I mention you are also hilarious?

Uh, I have nothing more really to say about the topic, but wanted to let you know that I do value your perspective....especially when it differs from mine.

I lose sight of these niceties sometimes when I am wearing my silly posting hat.

Regards,

I know, I wear my silly posting hat way too often myself. It's one of those polyester truckers caps that says "I'm Only Here For The Beer". So not only do I write ill-advised posts when I wear it, I look like a total looser.

I very much appreciate your post and I trust your silly posting hat isn't nearly as lame as mine.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Just jumping in at the last second (still have 1/2 a beer, and I hate waste)

No, it is not exclusive to those who served in Vietnam, but given that these critics of Sen Kerry fought the same ground does lend them credence I think. That, and the number of them that stood to be counted is an indication that something is there.

But, is it not true that Sen Kerry, as part of the Winter Soldier movement is the one who did the accusing though?

I am keeping it specific to Sen Kerry because he separated himself from myself and other veterans when he threw those medals over the White House fence.......then came back 20+ years later with a snappy salute.....

I dunno. It is traveled ground, but interesting.

Regards,

Once again, I call 'horse poo'. My husband is a decorated Vietnam veteran, 100% disabled due to his service. He does not agree with you. He supported Senator Kerry then and now.

 

[Mr Man]

Once again, I call 'horse poo'. My husband is a decorated Vietnam veteran, 100% disabled due to his service. He does not agree with you. He supported Senator Kerry then and now.

I have no comeback. "Horse Poo" has been invoked.........(this lady fights dirty)

 

[MossMan]

Just jumping in at the last second (still have 1/2 a beer, and I hate waste)

No, it is not exclusive to those who served in Vietnam, but given that these critics of Sen Kerry fought the same ground does lend them credence I think. That, and the number of them that stood to be counted is an indication that something is there.

But, is it not true that Sen Kerry, as part of the Winter Soldier movement is the one who did the accusing though?

I am keeping it specific to Sen Kerry because he separated himself from myself and other veterans when he threw those medals over the White House fence.......then came back 20+ years later with a snappy salute.....

I dunno. It is traveled ground, but interesting.

Regards,

I completely agree that Kerry's involvement in the Winter Soldier movement was fair game in 2004. Kerry needed to explain his actions after the war - the kind of things he and the people he was directly associated with were saying spoke to his suitability to become POTUS.

But instead of a spirited discussion that asked whether Kerry's post war actions made him fit to be President, we mostly had a discussion that asked whether Kerry's actions in the war made him a coward or murderer.

And I could be a slightly sympathetic to this point of view if the Vets who attacked Kerry were the ones who served directly with. But they weren't. The men who served directly with Kerry were adamant that he served his country honorably and with courage. So when Kerry is attacked like this, the Vets who served with him are accused of being liars.

McCain condemned these attacks for what they were in 2004. If Kerry was his opponent now, I think McCain would do the same thing if some group tried to pull the same thing today. I think he would choose to put what is right over what is politically expedient.

 

[JennaTX]

I think that even those who don't agree with his politics have to agree with his character.

I absolutely agree with his character and what he has been through.

I don't agree with his politics, but I am able to respect the man without agreeing with him.

 

[JennaTX]

WEll, when McCain was serving his country and sitting in a prison cell, Obama was enrolled as a Muslim in a school in Indonesia. You know, growing up with midwestern, Kansas values!

Kind of like how GWB was "part" of the National Guard?

The Republicans need to decide whether serving in the military is important or not. For the last 8 years with GWB it wasn't important...now with McCain it is very important. So which is it?

 

[DannyDisneyFreak]

Again so what???

The civilized world pukes upon the US .
We are NOT the police of the world and each country has to fight his own battle.

McCain loved to stay in prison. He obviously had no desire to return to his family and that makes him a very creepy person.

Nothing special just a person who loves to be in the picture .

Are you really serious? You obviously have no clue about what it means to adhere to a code of values. Sometimes in life we must put others before ourself. Senator McCain valued the code he commited to uphold and more importantly valued the lives of his fellow prisoners.
To others who say "what does his POW experience have to do with running for president?" I urge you to read the transcript or listen to his speech and then think about that question...

link to John McCain's Acceptance Speech

Excerpt form McCain's speech:
"I was in solitary confinement when my captors offered to release me. I knew why. If I went home, they would use it as propaganda to demoralize my fellow prisoners. Our Code said we could only go home in the order of our capture, and there were men who had been shot down before me. I thought about it, though. I wasn't in great shape, and I missed everything about America. But I turned it down.

A lot of prisoners had it worse than I did. I'd been mistreated before, but not as badly as others. I always liked to strut a little after I'd been roughed up to show the other guys I was tough enough to take it. But after I turned down their offer, they worked me over harder than they ever had before. For a long time. And they broke me.

When they brought me back to my cell, I was hurt and ashamed, and I didn't know how I could face my fellow prisoners. The good man in the cell next door, my friend, Bob Craner, saved me. Through taps on a wall he told me I had fought as hard as I could. No man can always stand alone. And then he told me to get back up and fight again for our country and for the men I had the honor to serve with. Because every day they fought for me.

I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's. I loved it not just for the many comforts of life here. I loved it for its decency; for its faith in the wisdom, justice and goodness of its people. I loved it because it was not just a place, but an idea, a cause worth fighting for. I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was my country's"

Country First!

 

[SplashMtnCrew]

Splsh, I tried to send you a PM but was not able to.

It's okay that we can agree to disagree that is what makes this country so great, we have the Freedom to do that.

Your last line, made me cry - sitting here at my desk at work.

Totally OT so sorry for taking over thread for a moment.

My brother is a Marine and is leaving for Iraq this weekend. He came home to see us one more time before he leaves for 7 months. We said good bye to him on Weds, right before we went to the gate, a song came on and I don't even know how I could hear it but I did and it was the Rob Thomas song that is sung at the end of Meet the Robinsons, it gets me every time I watch that movie. Hearing that song and saying good bye was heartwrenching for me.

So I thank you for those truly kind words. It made me smile and cry at the same time.

Good Morning
I just wanted to say that in my book, your brother is as much of an American hero as McCain is! Your brother will be in the prayers of me and my family, you can count on that. My family and I truely appreciate what he's doing for us and we don't want to take him for granted or down-play the sacrifice he and your family are making on our behalf. A true heart-felt thank you to all of you
BTW, something tells me that you that you aren't as young as I believed you to be initally! But then again, young is a state of mind I won't ever be able to watch Meet the Robinsons the same again either, but that song has always made me cry too. I'm not sure how to work that PM thing you mentioned Have a great day!