Mass Shooting at Orlando Club

[mom2rtk]

The major problem with terrorism is it will be fighting a never ending battle unfortunately. You eliminate one terrorist group and another one forms. These hateful people are all over the place. They just aren't in the Middle East or Serbia, they are right in your own back yard in some cases. It is scary.

No doubt that makes it much more scary. But I still don't think some acknowledge that this is an existential threat to the western way of life.

 

[CaptJacksWench]

No doubt that makes it much more scary. But I still don't think some acknowledge that this is an existential threat to the western way of life.

This crap is real and it is a huge threat. I really fear for the lives of my children and my grandchildren.

 

[pat fan]

More from Dad, in the Washington Post:

"Mateen’s father, however, called his son “very dignified.” In a video posted to Facebook shortly after midnight, Seddique Mateen, who lives in Florida, called the shooting “tragic” but said his son was “a good son and an educated son.”

He said his son shouldn’t have carried out the massacre because “God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality.”

“I don’t know what caused him to shoot last night,” said the father, who has hosted a U.S. -based television show on Afghan affairs and describes himself as an important figure in his homeland."

Of course he knows. Gays are on their checklist, along with a whole lot more.

This is what is so scary. These hateful thoughts are developed by parents from childhood. Just as he taught his son to hate homosexuals, many many others are taught to hate all western infidels.

Pretty sure he had all that going on, it's not separate ideology between hating gays and hating western infidels. We're all the same to them. Some people just won't acknowledge that fact and that is the answer to your other question of whn will we wake up. We won't until people stop being PC and face this monster head on.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

From the NY Times, this morning:

"Isis Claims Responsibility for Orlando Attack in Radio Statement

One day after the worst mass shooting in United States history, the Islamic State’s official radio station issued a statement formally claiming responsibility for the attack. The announcement, on the Al Bayan station of the Islamic State, comes on the heels of a similar, brief statement on Sunday, made through the terrorist group’s news agency.

In the radio announcement on Monday, the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, describes the gunman, Omar Mateen, as “one of the soldiers of the Caliphate,” a term used by the group both to refer to its fighters enlisted under its command on the battlegrounds of Syria and Iraq, as well as to adherents who act in the name of the Islamic State, even if they have with no direct ties to the group.

“With facilitation from Allah the Almighty, the brother Omar Mateen, one of the soldiers of the Caliphate in America, carried out a security raid in which he was able to enter into a gathering of Crusaders in a nightclub for followers of the people of Lot in Orlando, Florida,” the radio announcement said, using a term for gays, according to a translation provided by the SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks extremist propaganda. “Allah enabled him to subdue the impure Crusaders, killing and wounding more than a hundred of them before he was killed — may Allah accept him. It should be pointed out that this invasion is the largest in America in terms of the number killed.”

The sequence of events mirrors the manner in which the Islamic State has claimed responsibility for other recent attacks, including the killings at a community center in San Bernardino, Calif., by a couple who had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State.

Then, as now, the first confirmation of the Islamic State’s role came in a bulletin issued by the Amaq News Agency, which acts as the terrorist group’s news agency. The language in the news release attempts to mimic the neutral terms used by international news outlets.

Although analysts are unanimous in calling Amaq an official media arm of the Islamic State, the terrorist group has tried to maintain a degree of distance, most likely in order to give Amaq the veneer of objectivity.

In both cases, the initial release was followed by the formal Bayan bulletin, in which any pretense of neutrality fell away and the killers were described in religious terms, as “soldiers of the Caliphate.”

The Orlando gunman’s precise ties to the terrorist group remain unclear, though law enforcement officials said he was at one point under surveillance for suspected extremist ideology. And in 2014, the F.B.I. discovered that he had had contact with Moner Mohammad Abusalha, the first American suicide bomber in Syria.

While the extent of Islamic State involvement remains an open question, what is known is that Mr. Mateen followed the established ISIS protocol for carrying out an attack in the group’s name — namely, he publicly declared his allegiance to the group, just before or during the shooting, by calling 911 and stating his affiliation.

This followed instructions issued by the Islamic State to its adherents abroad, which called for sympathizers to carry out acts of violence against so-called infidels in any manner they could, following a declaration of the oath of allegiance. The San Bernardino couple — Syed Rizwan Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik — posted their oath of allegiance, known as bay’ah, on Facebook before they set off to commit mass murder."

 

[JoWilly]

Because without the guns the THE PERSON WHO MURDERED THOSE PEOPLE would not have been able to MURDER quite as many of THOSE PEOPLE as he did.

Apparently you've forgotten all of those BOMBS that are used quite often in the middle east. They are also a lot EASIER to manufacture out of household items.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Omar worked as a contractor for the DHS and had a special security license (how did he keep his job and the security license?) He was known at work to make remarks supporting ISIS.

This question was addressed, also in the NY Times this morning:

Former Co-worker: 'He Talked About Killing People All the Time'

"One of Mr. Mateen’s former co-workers said in an interview on Sunday that he had expressed concerns about the man’s demeanor when they both worked as security guards assigned to PGA Village, a resort in Port St. Lucie, Fla.

“He talked about killing people all the time,” the former co-worker, Daniel Gilroy, said.

According to Mr. Gilroy, who said that he had repeatedly complained to G4S, the security company that employed them, Mr. Mateen was a loud, profane presence who was prone to using racial, ethnic and sexual slurs.

Mr. Gilroy, a former police officer in Fort Pierce, described Mr. Mateen as a man who had “issues and just constant anger.”

“He was just agitated about everything, always shaken, always agitated, always mad,” said Mr. Gilroy, who said his relationship with Mr. Mateen became increasingly tense, with Mr. Mateen badgering him with text messages 20 or 30 times a day.

Mr. Gilroy, who joined G4S after a career with the Fort Pierce police and later left the security firm, said he could not provide names of any other co-workers who could support his account of Mr. Mateen’s behavior.

He expressed a measure of regret for not having pressed G4S to take more action.

“I kind of feel a little guilty that I didn’t fight harder,” Mr. Gilroy said. “If I didn’t walk away and I fought, then maybe 50 people would still be alive today.”

But he said he was not surprised to hear of what had happened in Orlando.

“I wasn’t shocked,” he said. “I saw it coming."

 

[mom2rtk]

This question was addressed, also in the NY Times this morning:

Former Co-worker: 'He Talked About Killing People All the Time'

"One of Mr. Mateen’s former co-workers said in an interview on Sunday that he had expressed concerns about the man’s demeanor when they both worked as security guards assigned to PGA Village, a resort in Port St. Lucie, Fla.

“He talked about killing people all the time,” the former co-worker, Daniel Gilroy, said.

According to Mr. Gilroy, who said that he had repeatedly complained to G4S, the security company that employed them, Mr. Mateen was a loud, profane presence who was prone to using racial, ethnic and sexual slurs.

Mr. Gilroy, a former police officer in Fort Pierce, described Mr. Mateen as a man who had “issues and just constant anger.”

“He was just agitated about everything, always shaken, always agitated, always mad,” said Mr. Gilroy, who said his relationship with Mr. Mateen became increasingly tense, with Mr. Mateen badgering him with text messages 20 or 30 times a day.

Mr. Gilroy, who joined G4S after a career with the Fort Pierce police and later left the security firm, said he could not provide names of any other co-workers who could support his account of Mr. Mateen’s behavior.

He expressed a measure of regret for not having pressed G4S to take more action.

“I kind of feel a little guilty that I didn’t fight harder,” Mr. Gilroy said. “If I didn’t walk away and I fought, then maybe 50 people would still be alive today.”

But he said he was not surprised to hear of what had happened in Orlando.

“I wasn’t shocked,” he said. “I saw it coming."

It's reports like this that have me the most discouraged.

 

[dadtoagirl03]

If the company would have taken action on these reports they would have been immediately accused of being racist because he was a muslim. Our cowardly PC society is going to get a lot of people killed over the next few years. We need to quit pointing and screaming about gun control and worry about muslim terrorists as this is a much bigger threat to the US.

 

[capegirl]

This was much more than a sickening hate crime, this was an assault on the United States of America. Politically correct attitudes have no place in situations like this. We have leaders that refuse to call it like it is; Islamic terrorism. Isis is not on the run, they are on the move.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Why was he able to pass a background check for a gun permit and security clearance for DHS contractor?
I would've thought there would've been 2-3 little red flags...

 

[pat fan]

Why was he able to pass a background check for a gun permit and security clearance for DHS contractor?
I would've thought there would've been 2-3 little red flags...

Apparently the FBI cleared him so there were no red flags.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

This question was addressed, also in the NY Times this morning:

Former Co-worker: 'He Talked About Killing People All the Time'

"One of Mr. Mateen’s former co-workers said in an interview on Sunday that he had expressed concerns about the man’s demeanor when they both worked as security guards assigned to PGA Village, a resort in Port St. Lucie, Fla.

“He talked about killing people all the time,” the former co-worker, Daniel Gilroy, said.

According to Mr. Gilroy, who said that he had repeatedly complained to G4S, the security company that employed them, Mr. Mateen was a loud, profane presence who was prone to using racial, ethnic and sexual slurs.

Mr. Gilroy, a former police officer in Fort Pierce, described Mr. Mateen as a man who had “issues and just constant anger.”

“He was just agitated about everything, always shaken, always agitated, always mad,” said Mr. Gilroy, who said his relationship with Mr. Mateen became increasingly tense, with Mr. Mateen badgering him with text messages 20 or 30 times a day.

Mr. Gilroy, who joined G4S after a career with the Fort Pierce police and later left the security firm, said he could not provide names of any other co-workers who could support his account of Mr. Mateen’s behavior.

He expressed a measure of regret for not having pressed G4S to take more action.

“I kind of feel a little guilty that I didn’t fight harder,” Mr. Gilroy said. “If I didn’t walk away and I fought, then maybe 50 people would still be alive today.”

But he said he was not surprised to hear of what had happened in Orlando.

“I wasn’t shocked,” he said. “I saw it coming."

I wonder if Mr. Gilroy didn't take more action because of PC.

I also know why Omar was angry all the time. He lived in a country where he didn't agree with the lifestyles of people (he wanted a caliphate) . He probably had views that women have no rights and a donkey is more important.........

 

[TLSnell1981]

I know. It breaks my heart too. I cannot imagine her pain.

No pain in the world compares to losing a child.

 

[Liberty Belle]

My fellow church member and friend, Ron, lost a cousin in this horrific hate-filled act.

The trustees in our church is holding a special meeting to address safety at our church (our minister and more than half of our congregation is gay). It's very real and very scary.

 

[rotlex]

Why was he able to pass a background check for a gun permit and security clearance for DHS contractor?
I would've thought there would've been 2-3 little red flags...

No arrests, no flags, no legal right to keep him from doing anything. Kind of like a husband that threatens his wife, family etc. 50 times in a year. Nothing can be done unless he actually kills someone. Ya. That makes sense. There is no difference in this situation. "Watching" someone or having them on a list of some kind is the same thing. It means nothing until they act on it.

 

[Christine]

This question was addressed, also in the NY Times this morning:

Former Co-worker: 'He Talked About Killing People All the Time'

"One of Mr. Mateen’s former co-workers said in an interview on Sunday that he had expressed concerns about the man’s demeanor when they both worked as security guards assigned to PGA Village, a resort in Port St. Lucie, Fla.

“He talked about killing people all the time,” the former co-worker, Daniel Gilroy, said.

According to Mr. Gilroy, who said that he had repeatedly complained to G4S, the security company that employed them, Mr. Mateen was a loud, profane presence who was prone to using racial, ethnic and sexual slurs.

Mr. Gilroy, a former police officer in Fort Pierce, described Mr. Mateen as a man who had “issues and just constant anger.”

“He was just agitated about everything, always shaken, always agitated, always mad,” said Mr. Gilroy, who said his relationship with Mr. Mateen became increasingly tense, with Mr. Mateen badgering him with text messages 20 or 30 times a day.

Mr. Gilroy, who joined G4S after a career with the Fort Pierce police and later left the security firm, said he could not provide names of any other co-workers who could support his account of Mr. Mateen’s behavior.

He expressed a measure of regret for not having pressed G4S to take more action.

“I kind of feel a little guilty that I didn’t fight harder,” Mr. Gilroy said. “If I didn’t walk away and I fought, then maybe 50 people would still be alive today.”

But he said he was not surprised to hear of what had happened in Orlando.

“I wasn’t shocked,” he said. “I saw it coming."

And this is not so different from the Navy Yard shooter where I work. Many people come forward after and not that there is something "off." But, for the most part, it's a big deal to turn in a coworker for odd behavior. It usually comes back on the person who turns them in or, basically, nothing gets done and you live with the hostility of that person.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

My fellow church member and friend, Ron, lost a cousin in this horrific hate-filled act.

The trustees in our church is holding a special meeting to address safety at our church (our minister and more than half of our congregation is gay). It's very real and very scary.

It is a sad day that we have to have security just to go to church. However, most churches have had security for years (not really a LGBT thing). I remember when I was involved in a church (a couple of years ago) and we had security doing rounds while people attended the sermon. I'm surprised your church didn't do this before this terrorist act.

 

[CaptJacksWench]

It is a sad day that we have to have security just to go to church. However, most churches have had security for years (not really a LGBT thing). I remember when I was involved in a church (a couple of years ago) and we had security doing rounds while people attended the sermon. I'm surprised your church didn't do this before this terrorist act.

Soon we are going to have to go through metal detectors to go into a restaurant or a McDonalds. It is sadly getting to that.

 

[Liberty Belle]

It is a sad day that we have to have security just to go to church. However, most churches have had security for years (not really a LGBT thing). I remember when I was involved in a church (a couple of years ago) and we had security doing rounds while people attended the sermon. I'm surprised your church didn't do this before this terrorist act.

We do have someone patrolling the parking lot and doors of the church during services (the trustees take turns doing this), but we feel more is needed. If someone decided to shoot up the church, one trustee likely won't be able to stop them. Our church is pretty young (5 yrs old) and not huge (we average around 100-120 people each Sunday), so we're still learning.

Our minister, though, is very vocal. The Today Show showed footage of her speaking at the Kim Davis thing and she's quoted in newspapers a lot, so there's that to add to it.

 

[JJZMgailey]

Stopping by to let all of you know that there are a couple of ways you can help the victims and their families.

I've started a new thread here on the Community board - check it out!

http://www.disboards.com/threads/prayers-for-orlando-how-can-you-help.3518574/