Mass Shooting at Orlando Club

[mom2rtk]

if she knew and said nothing I hope they offer her whatever she wants to eat before a lethal injection. Knowing a possible massacre was going to happen and saying nothing puts their lives in your hands as well

I agree, but don't think they can do that if she just knew about it. While I firmly believe, and imagine others would concur, that she had a moral obligation to say something, I don't think she had a legal obligation. I think they have to prove that she assisted him in some way to make her legally culpable (something like helping him buy the guns, helping him scope out locations, driving him to the club that night).

 

[mi*vida*loca]

And this guy needs to be n some kind of watch list. Especially with his firing squad comment.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016...reacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

 

[wilkeliza]

And this guy needs to be n some kind of watch list. Especially with his firing squad comment.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016...reacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

Absolutely disgusting. Breaks my heart. I was apart of a baptist church for many years and sadly this doesn't surprise me.

 

[pat fan]

In other browsings unrelated to the Pulse shootings, I came across an interesting article in an unlikely place.

This is an article in today's Wall Street Journal by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a fellow at Harvard's Kennedy School: http://www.wsj.com/articles/islams-jihad-against-homosexuals-1465859170

It's a semi-scholarly study of Islam's harsh attitudes against gays.

As a straight man, I'm pretty ignorant of the types and scope of hatred toward gays, so I was surprised at the widespread oppression detailed in this article.

It's not only by the radical elements, but also by the laws of major Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, the UAE, and Afghanistan. The article states that in 40 out of 57 Muslim-majority countries, homosexuality is a crime, punishable in many cases by death! In addition to that, of course, there are the cultural pressures which are also discussed.

It's a pretty scary read.

Now don't go confusing everyone with actual facts, ok? You may burst their little bubble.

 

[MPB82]

I agree, but don't think they can do that if she just knew about it. While I firmly believe, and imagine others would concur, that she had a moral obligation to say something, I don't think she had a legal obligation. I think they have to prove that she assisted him in some way to make her legally culpable (something like helping him buy the guns, helping him scope out locations, driving him to the club that night).[/QUOTE

No I think you are wrong. If she knew he wanted to do it, knew he purchased weapons, went with him when he "scouted" and she said she tried to tell him
Not to, then she could be legally charged.

 

[mom2rtk]

No I think you are wrong. If she knew he wanted to do it, knew he purchased weapons, went with him when he "scouted" and she said she tried to tell him
Not to, then she could be legally charged.

I mentioned helping him scout locations as making her culpable.

Not to worry though, I readily admit I have no legal expertise.

 

[kaddjr]

And this guy needs to be n some kind of watch list. Especially with his firing squad comment.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016...reacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

Oh here's another piece of work.

ETA Tried to link the youtube video, but the whole video came up in my post and not sure that's allowed so search for Pastor Steven Anderson on youtube to see the crap he's spewing.

I cannot understand this AT ALL!

 

[JimMIA]

Now don't go confusing everyone with actual facts, ok? You may burst their little bubble.

Sorry...my bad.

Actually, I thought it was interesting. I honestly had no idea. I thought it was just a handful of crackpots...apparently not.

 

[JimMIA]

And this guy needs to be n some kind of watch list. Especially with his firing squad comment.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016...reacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/

Proves there are lower life forms than we thought -- possibly contradicting Darwin. What a creepy little man.

 

[Claudia1]

I've been following the thread but have been wondering about the initial exchange of gunfire outside of Pulse. I keep reading elsewhere that the shooter and a security guard exchanged shots. Did the shooter attack the guard or did the guard see what was going to happen and go after the shooter?

I know that this will not change anything and I mean no disrespect to the memory of the victims by asking.

 

[Albort]

I've been following the thread but have been wondering about the initial exchange of gunfire outside of Pulse. I keep reading elsewhere that the shooter and a security guard exchanged shots. Did the shooter attack the guard or did the guard see what was going to happen and go after the shooter?

I know that this will not change anything and I mean no disrespect to the memory of the victims by asking.

im curious as well, im also curious on how he did so much damage... was he using a large clip? was wonder if anyone tried to stop him or not too.

Christina, now this, Florida is def in a state of shock.

 

[Sabeking]

Absolutely disgusting. Breaks my heart. I was apart of a baptist church for many years and sadly this doesn't surprise me.

I agree it is disgusting; Living in the south for my whole life though and attending many Baptist churches I have never heard that kind of rhetoric and certainly did not this past Sunday. I'm sorry you attended a church that believed that but I truly don't think that is the norm.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

I've been following the thread but have been wondering about the initial exchange of gunfire outside of Pulse. I keep reading elsewhere that the shooter and a security guard exchanged shots. Did the shooter attack the guard or did the guard see what was going to happen and go after the shooter?

I know that this will not change anything and I mean no disrespect to the memory of the victims by asking.

I hate to say it, but I think any of the people who could answer this question with facts are unable to do so...

 

[wilkeliza]

I agree it is disgusting; Living in the south for my whole life though and attending many Baptist churches I have never heard that kind of rhetoric and certainly did not this past Sunday. I'm sorry you attended a church that believed that but I truly don't think that is the norm.

My church wasn't the "kill them all" type but my female best friend was thrown out of the church after a year of being a youth leader and threated with statitory rape charges for being a 18 year old dating a 17 year old femal in the church. Having to sit listen to the elders decide her fait turned my stomach. It made my male best friend terrified to come out to me because he was worried that I wouldn't be his friend any more. I eventually left the church completely over its treatment of my LGBT friends. It followed at the baptaist college I went to when I had to sit and listen to a friend cry when he was outed because he was being removed from the school. Other friends hid who they were so much so that they married women and then ended up divorced pretty quickly and others are just now learning to accept themselves 8 years later.

 

[L&Lfan]

It's like Thanksgiving dinner. We can get into heated arguments and attack our family members, but if someone outside the family attacks someone in your family, you all stick together and show a unified front.

I wish that were so but i just don't think it's true anymore. Hell, we can't even agree on the motives of Chick-fil-a giving out food to blood donors. That thread quickly got nasty.

 

[FINFAN]

I just watched a report on the wife on our news~ showing her apartment complex where she lived before FL. I know the location as I grew up in Oak Lawn, where she lived then. The report stated that she only cooperated once the police informed her that they have video showing her involvement. This report was on on ABC 7 in Chicago~

 

[FairestOfThemAll37]

I am still struggling with the fact that this happened in my city, in my backyard at a club I've been to countless times. Thinking about it still takes my breath away.

I cannot wrap my head around this kind of hate.

I'm so touched to have seen so many around the world rally with messages of love for the victims and standing strong with Orlando. It's truly the city beautiful with the outpouring of love, healing and hopefulness that have risen in the days since the tragedy.

If what happened wasn't already bad enough, the Westboro hate group is already planning to show up at the funerals. I hope many will be there joining the counter-protests in the hope that we can shield the already grieving families from more hate.

 

[L&Lfan]

The Westboro Baptist church hates everybody.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I am still struggling with the fact that this happened in my city, in my backyard at a club I've been to countless times. Thinking about it still takes my breath away.

I cannot wrap my head around this kind of hate.

I'm so touched to have seen so many around the world rally with messages of love for the victims and standing strong with Orlando. It's truly the city beautiful with the outpouring of love, healing and hopefulness that have risen in the days since the tragedy.

If what happened wasn't already bad enough, the Westboro hate group is already planning to show up at the funerals. I hope many will be there joining the counter-protests in the hope that we can shield the already grieving families from more hate.

Yes, it must seem surreal. Without being disrespectful to all the horrible things that have happened, it is nice to see the good that can come out of a tragedy like this. In some ways it can renew your faith in humanity, just as it seems the world has gone off the deep end. Love will win out in the end, because it's far more powerful than the hate and despicable acts this coward committed on so many innocent, beautiful people. If positive changes come about as a result of this senseless crime, then their deaths will not be in vain. Hopefully, like with 9/11 and other tragedies we've endured, it will bring us closer together rather than drive us apart. We all need to open our hearts more to the humanity we all share, at our cores.

BTW I really appreciate that for the most part, this has been a fairly respectful discussion. It's good to talk, and to try to at least hear others' viewpoints. Even when we disagree, a lot can be learned from hearing what others have to say. And thanks to the moderators for leaving this thread open. I think it helps people grieve the loss together, despite emotions running high.

 

[robinb]

I just watched a report on the wife on our news~ showing her apartment complex where she lived before FL. I know the location as I grew up in Oak Lawn, where she lived then. The report stated that she only cooperated once the police informed her that they have video showing her involvement. This report was on on ABC 7 in Chicago~

I just saw that. She lived across from Chicago Ridge Mall and my family lives only a couple miles away in Chicago. One of those "small world" moments.