Marathon Weekend 2019

[croach]

In order to not let Track Shack/RunDisney be in control of my time calculations, I will just enter in a POT that matches the distance I am running (Enter in a Half Marathon POT for a Half Marathon, enter a full marathon POT for a full marathon, etc.). I realize a lot of runners don't have this option as maybe they have never run a full marathon or half marathon, but I'm tired of RunDisney miscalculating my time conversions and putting me in the wrong corral and having to get it fixed at the Expo.

I get what you’re saying but to be fair to runDisney, they aren’t doing the conversion wrong. They just aren’t doing it in a way that people agree with. They have a reason for doing it - it would probably just be helpful if they told people what that reason is.

 

[FFigawi]

I get what you’re saying but to be fair to runDisney, they aren’t doing the conversion wrong. They just aren’t doing it in a way that people agree with. They have a reason for doing it - it would probably just be helpful if they told people what that reason is.

^^NAILED IT

 

[run.minnie.miles]

^^NAILED IT

I kind of brought this conversation on, so I just want it to be known that I'm not blaming anyone (aka "Track Shack on behalf of rD") for how they calculate estimated finish times. I know in past years that people have been legitimately angry, and that's not me. Disappointed? A little.

I do find it frustrating that they don't share their calculation method, leaving so much "guess work" in it, and perhaps don't agree with what method they use, but as long as they calculate everyone's using the same formula, it is fair. And that's all we can ask!

 

[PrincessV]

They have a reason for doing it - it would probably just be helpful if they told people what that reason is.

I Don't even care to know the reasoning - I just want to know how to do the calculation, lol! I would think sharing that top secret info would cut down on a whole lot of confusion, frustration, phone calls and emails with/to rD/Track Shack.

 

[a-mad]

Holy cow! I was away from this Board for about 10 days because of work, travel, etc. and I come back to 20+ pages of activity. Pretty impressive.

So I apologize for the upcoming list of questions - but as a runDisney newcomer, I just wanted to be clear on a couple of things regarding registration, corral placement, POT, etc:

• If I am registering for Dopey, will they ask me for times on each of the races or just the marathon (and then estimate the rest?)
• From what I understand, I can register for any of the races, but then put in a POT before a certain date in October (to be determined) before final corral placement, correct?
• I am running with my two bros-in-law. The three of us ran 2 marathons last year - one in May and one in October. All of us ran under 4:00 in the October race. Can we use that time for a POT, or does it have to be after a certain date? We weren't planning on running any races this year as we train for Dopey, but I guess we could run a half in the summer to get a POT if needed.
• I'm assuming we would all need to submit a similar POT to all get a corral placement together, correct? (sorry, that's probably pretty obvious)
• It sounds like some of you have already registered. Was that through a TA or DVC, or can you do it through runDisney (for a fee). We are very motivated to run the Dopey, and are planning on registering as soon as it opens on April 17, but I wanted to see what the additional requirements/fees would be for registering early.

Thanks in advance!

oh yeah, and for what it's worth... answers to the last several questions would be: 1) running through Angels Stadium for DL half 2) ketchup/mayo mix with fries (in Utah we call that "fry sauce" and it's been around since I was a tyke ) and 3) Gaston's cinnamon roll FTW!

 

[rteetz]

• If I am registering for Dopey, will they ask me for times on each of the races or just the marathon (and then estimate the rest?)

• From what I understand, I can register for any of the races, but then put in a POT before a certain date in October (to be determined) before final corral placement, correct?

• I am running with my two bros-in-law. The three of us ran 2 marathons last year - one in May and one in October. All of us ran under 4:00 in the October race. Can we use that time for a POT, or does it have to be after a certain date? We weren't planning on running any races this year as we train for Dopey, but I guess we could run a half in the summer to get a POT if needed.

• I'm assuming we would all need to submit a similar POT to all get a corral placement together, correct? (sorry, that's probably pretty obvious)

• It sounds like some of you have already registered. Was that through a TA or DVC, or can you do it through runDisney (for a fee). We are very motivated to run the Dopey, and are planning on registering as soon as it opens on April 17, but I wanted to see what the additional requirements/fees would be for registering early.

They will ask for your pace and one POT no need to do it individually for each race.

October 5th I believe is the date.

After January 2017 is when it has to be after.

TA's or charities are the only way to register right now.

 

[a-mad]

They will ask for your pace and one POT no need to do it individually for each race.

October 5th I believe is the date.

After January 2017 is when it has to be after.

TA's or charities are the only way to register right now.

^ thank you!

 

[cavepig]

Was it mentioned here and the POT date not being updated on RunDisney yet (still had 2016), it is now
"Proof of time must be provided from an officially timed race reflecting results after January 1, 2017 "

& from rundisney "Proof of Time must be provided by October 9, 2018."

 

[PrincessV]

Just a note about PoT for the challenges: in the past, we were only ever asked to select an estimated finish time/submit PoT for the longest race of the challenge, so Goofy and Dopey only asked about one's marathon time. BUT in W&D registration last month, challenge folks were asked for estimated pace for the 10K, as well as estimated finish time for the half/PoT if required. Who knows if they'll do that going forward for Marathon Weekend, but might be a good idea to think about it and be prepared, just in case.

 

[TCB in FLA]

So AP registration question. I’m currently an AP holder, but it’s going to expire in April and I’m not planning to renew. Still okay to register via the AP early link?

 

[cavepig]

So AP registration question. I’m currently an AP holder, but it’s going to expire in April and I’m not planning to renew. Still okay to register via the AP early link?

As far as I know as long as you have an active AP at time of registration you are good!

 

[FlashAM7]

I get what you’re saying but to be fair to runDisney, they aren’t doing the conversion wrong. They just aren’t doing it in a way that people agree with. They have a reason for doing it - it would probably just be helpful if they told people what that reason is.

I disagree. I would say that converting a 2:00 half marathon to a 4:35 marathon is wrong lol.

 

[SarahDisney]

Question- if you're booking through a travel agent, is there a deadline by when you have to book? Or is it just as long as they have bibs available?
(I'm still trying to decide what to do in that respect)

 

[DopeyBadger]

I disagree. I would say that converting a 2:00 half marathon to a 4:35 marathon is wrong lol.

That's an interesting conversion. I haven't seen one that far out before. That would make it a Riegel R of 1.20. Per the Williams/Vickers data set, approximately 80% of half marathon runners who run a marathon would beat a R 1.20 conversion.

But a 2:11 HM (I believe that was your 2017 Wine and Dine HM) would be more in line with a 4:35 using Riegel, McMillan, and somewhere close to where I believe runDisney is. A 50 percentile performance would be more like a 4:26 for a 2:00 HM'er or a 4:51 for a 2:11 HM'er.

 

[Calfan]

Question- if you're booking through a travel agent, is there a deadline by when you have to book? Or is it just as long as they have bibs available?
(I'm still trying to decide what to do in that respect)

I know Park and Preston had an April 1 deadline for WDW Marathon Weekend (at least bib only for AP and DVC who didn't need tix or room), but I don't know if that means they can't get additional bibs after that date. I've gone through Acclaim for a couple of races only two or three months before, and they still had bibs (but room and tix were required).

 

[cavepig]

I disagree. I would say that converting a 2:00 half marathon to a 4:35 marathon is wrong lol.

Weird on that conversion, I feel someone messed up somewhere to give you that information!
My 2:02 converted to a 4:18 when I registered for the 2015 marathon when they did the calculations for us & I was corraled properly. Dopey 2016 I was corraled properly using the same 2:02 half. For this past January I used a 2:01 and was in the 4:01-4:30 corral and put estimated at like 4:15 or something, so again corraled correctly. I know they can mess up, which sounds like someone did when they gave you that info maye?!?.

 

[SarahDisney]

I know Park and Preston had an April 1 deadline for WDW Marathon Weekend (at least bib only for AP and DVC who didn't need tix or room), but I don't know if that means they can't get additional bibs after that date. I've gone through Acclaim for a couple of races only two or three months before, and they still had bibs (but room and tix we required).

Thanks!

 

[FlashAM7]

That's an interesting conversion. I haven't seen one that far out before. That would make it a Riegel R of 1.20. Per the Williams/Vickers data set, approximately 80% of half marathon runners who run a marathon would beat a R 1.20 conversion.

But a 2:11 HM (I believe that was your 2017 Wine and Dine HM) would be more in line with a 4:35 using Riegel, McMillan, and somewhere close to where I believe runDisney is. A 50 percentile performance would be more like a 4:26 for a 2:00 HM'er or a 4:51 for a 2:11 HM'er.

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Yes a 2:11 you could justify converting into a 4:35, but I have never seen any conversion calculator anywhere convert a flat 2:00 to 4:35. Like the rest of you, I'd love to know what conversion they are using. I just want it to be consistent for everyone.

 

[FlashAM7]

Weird on that conversion, I feel someone messed up somewhere to give you that information!
My 2:02 converted to a 4:18 when I registered for the 2015 marathon when they did the calculations for us & I was corraled properly. Dopey 2016 I was corraled properly using the same 2:02 half. For this past January I used a 2:01 and was in the 4:01-4:30 corral and put estimated at like 4:15 or something, so again corraled correctly. I know they can mess up, which sounds like someone did when they gave you that info maye?!?.

I agree, that's why we had to go to the expo and get it corrected. At the end of the day it was all good and everything worked itself out, but it's frustrating having to wait in line at Runner Relations to fix something that isn't your fault.

 

[run.minnie.miles]

Does anyone ever wonder if 2 people submitted the same POT if they'd get different predictions?

(Or is it just me? )