Marathon Weekend 2017!

Impatiently awaiting waivers so I can know my start corral. I took 8 minutes off my proof of time and am hoping for a better letter. Any ideas how the fact that neither the dopey, goofy, nor marathon sold out may affect corral placement (I'm talking about the marathon here)? Fewer corrals? Fewer people in each corral but the same number? We don't have a sense of how many people are signed up right, they got rid of the percentage bar on the webpage.
 
The thing that I wish people would do(and will never do) is use a little common sense when seeding themselves inside their corral. But inevitably people push themselves as far to the front(you all know the person winding their way through the corral 3 minutes before start) and so you have a jumble of paces at the front. I've been fortunate to start in the A corral and the same stuff happens there as any other corral. Everyone takes off and immediately people are dodging others, weaving side to side to get around a slower runner, etc., because their is such a variety of paces jammed at the front. And I know this dynamic changes some as you move back thru the vast Disney alphabet of corrals but it would be easier if people self-policed. Hopefully people work it all out though, no one gets injured, and everyone finds a comfortable space to run in.
 
Pretty sure I passed the person in the boot at one point - she was way off to the side and not in the way at all.
Same here, I just read her blog write up yesterday and made the connection she is who I passed too, she was on the right and easy to get around. I just felt bad for her as that would suck wearing.

Heck, you have a lot of corral cheaters anyway so there will always be slower people in corrals that don't pace match. I have more respect for those that are hurt/sick in their assigned corrals and stay over to the side than the corral cheaters who use false race times to get a higher corral or corral jump. These people annoy me, I know they shouldn't, but they do because they aren't showing respect for the system.

For the marathon this year I started toward the back of my corral being sick and basically was in the grass for the first while to stay out of the way since my pace was much slower than what I was in, if someone had a problem with me I really could care less as I was out of the way in the grass until the road spread out more than moved on the road still staying to the side. I ran/walked/jogged/slogged/shuffled so honestly my pace was all over so moving back I would have had no clue at the start where to stick myself anyway.
 
Same here, I just read her blog write up yesterday and made the connection she is who I passed too, she was on the right and easy to get around. I just felt bad for her as that would suck wearing.
I felt bad for her too. My first thought was "whyyyyy are you doing this in a boot??" - but man, with deferrals gone, that's a lot of money to lose.

She actually helped me adjust my attitude because I was in a funk at the start of the race, and i saw her and just thought, "boy, it could be worse. I shouldn't complain." I just blurted out, "you look awesome and you're doing great." It's part of what made me happier for the rest of the race, encouraging someone else who was clearly doing the best she could.
 

Impatiently awaiting waivers so I can know my start corral. I took 8 minutes off my proof of time and am hoping for a better letter. Any ideas how the fact that neither the dopey, goofy, nor marathon sold out may affect corral placement (I'm talking about the marathon here)? Fewer corrals? Fewer people in each corral but the same number? We don't have a sense of how many people are signed up right, they got rid of the percentage bar on the webpage.
I doubt that there are enough unsold bibs to change any of this in a noticeable way.
 
I will admit to being one of those people at the very front of the corral, at Princess this year. After the fiasco that was W&D last year, Princess was my first full half marathon at Disney and I had no clue what I was doing. I think it is an excitement/newbie thing a lot of the time. And it was horrible, as I am not fast and it was very overwhelming to be passed by SO, MANY, PEOPLE all at one time. Of course, that could be my claustrophobia showing too. For the WDW full in January I plan to start in the very back of my corral. And I may start with a walk interval, just because at Princess I felt pressured to keep running when my Garmin told me to walk, just due to the sheer number of people running behind me. So I ran too long and went out too fast and paid for it later in the race.
 
I will admit to being one of those people at the very front of the corral, at Princess this year. After the fiasco that was W&D last year, Princess was my first full half marathon at Disney and I had no clue what I was doing. I think it is an excitement/newbie thing a lot of the time. And it was horrible, as I am not fast and it was very overwhelming to be passed by SO, MANY, PEOPLE all at one time. Of course, that could be my claustrophobia showing too. For the WDW full in January I plan to start in the very back of my corral. And I may start with a walk interval, just because at Princess I felt pressured to keep running when my Garmin told me to walk, just due to the sheer number of people running behind me. So I ran too long and went out too fast and paid for it later in the race.
I am a "back of the corral" person. Lots more room back there - until you start making character stops.
 
On the other hand the worst safety issue I ever experienced wasn't at Tink but actually at last years WDW half where I came in with zero issues. Was at the very front of the J corral and while starting a guy to my left came out at a diaganol nearly colliding with me on the course since I was going straight. 11 months on still have no clue why he did that.

Kinda funny...the closest I came to a collision was in that stretch after MK by the golf courses. It's kinda bunched (but not like Cone Alley) and some spectators were yelling at - as it turned out - a lady almost directly in front of me. The lady was running with and conversing with her running friend and did not hear the spectators until she was slightly past them. She finally realized the spectators were calling her, she turned around to wave and here comes a forearm right at my neck. Thankfully, I wasn't "in the zone" and dodged it or else - Yikes!

A few other times I've almost collided with people making last minute dashes to photo stops. They don't look first and cut over but, again, no harm done. What can you do? It's Disney, right?
 
My 2 cents on corrals and self-seeding, etiquette, etc.... I'll hazard to say that 99% of accidents and annoyance in rD races come from people simply not paying attention and not being respectful of others on the course. I've started in a gazillion different corral letters over the years, and I promise - stuff happens regardless of where you start. As mentioned, rD races are unique in that they have so many people constantly exiting and entering the course for photo stops, and that inherently leads to people of different speeds intermingling on the course, no matter where they happen to have started. Add in the usual amount of "bad drivers" we find in every day life - those who don't look around them before merging or changing "lanes, who barrel though congested sections when traffic around them has slowed down, who generally act entitled and irritated by those who are doing their best to keep up with traffic and not get "in the way" - and rD races are simply always going to be different beasts than other races. Frankly, I no longer have much sympathy for the inevitable complaining. The vast majority of us are out there doing our best to juggle unusual running conditions, our own abilities, and the desire to have a good time - we'll ALL have a better experience if we chill out, accept the realities of running Disney, and let the inevitable accidental mishaps go.

FWIW I nearly always start in the back of my assigned corral. I hate crowds and starting back there means having the course nearly to myself for the first couple miles: the people in my own corral all take off and by the time fast folks from a couple corrals behind me catch up, they've spread out considerably. I'm also a slow starter, fast finisher, so starting in the back makes it easier/more comfortable to race my own pace from the start.
 
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My 2 cents on corrals and self-seeding, etiquette, etc.... I'll hazard to say that 99% of accidents and annoyance in rD races come from people simply not paying attention and not being respectful of others on the course.
Totally agree with this. My biggest pet peeve at Disney - during races and otherwise - is when people are not considerate/aware of those around them.
 
My 2 cents on corrals and self-seeding, etiquette, etc.... I'll hazard to say that 99% of accidents and annoyance in rD races come from people simply not paying attention and not being respectful of others on the course. I've started in a gazillion different corral letters over the years, and I promise - stuff happens regardless of where you start. As mentioned, rD races are unique in that they have so many people constantly exiting and entering the course for photo stops, and that inherently leads to people of different speeds intermingling on the course, no matter where they happen to have started. Add in the usual amount of "bad drivers" we find in every day life - those who don't look around them before merging or changing "lanes, who barrel though congested sections when traffic around them has slowed down, who generally act entitled and irritated by those who are doing their best to keep up with traffic and not get "in the way" - and rD races are simply always going to be different beasts than other races. Frankly, I no longer have much sympathy for the inevitable complaining. The vast majority of us are out there doing our best to juggle unusual running conditions, our own abilities, and the desire to have a good time - we'll ALL have a better experience if we chill out, accept the realities of running Disney, and let the inevitable accidental mishaps go.

FWIW I nearly always start in the back of my assigned corral. I hate crowds and starting back there means having the course nearly to myself for the first couple miles: the people in my own corral all take off and by the time fast folks from a couple corrals behind me catch up, they've spread out considerably. I'm also a slow starter, fast finisher, so starting in the back makes it easier/more comfortable to race my own pace from the start.

Yeah I'd agree with this too. To be honest I've never had any real major complaints about my Disney run experiences. The issues with people are pretty the same issues for any race I've been in and I don't dwell on them too much or let them ruin my run. Heck I think the thing about people not paying attention has effected me more in the parks then during a race. :)

Edit: And while I always try to be aware of my surrounding, I'm sure I've done things to annoy others while running too.
 
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As mentioned, rD races are unique in that they have so many people constantly exiting and entering the course for photo stops, and that inherently leads to people of different speeds intermingling on the course, no matter where they happen to have started. .
True to a point, although if you start in a higher corral and maintain that corral pace those stops are quick. My brother in the full in 2015 did almost all the stops never having to wait for any, started in B. So, it does differ depending on where you start. Fast people that maintain a fast pace don't deal with the crowding and intermingling, whether they stop or not.
 
True to a point, although if you start in a higher corral and maintain that corral pace those stops are quick. My brother in the full in 2015 did almost all the stops never having to wait for any, started in B. So, it does differ depending on where you start. Fast people that maintain a fast pace don't deal with the crowding and intermingling, whether they stop or not.
I have heard of this but since I'm pretty firmly in the middle of the pack, I'll just take your brother's word for it! :upsidedow
 
Totally agree with this. My biggest pet peeve at Disney - during races and otherwise - is when people are not considerate/aware of those around them.

Not just Disney, either. I've lost count of the times I've had half drunk cups of water or Powerade dumped down my leg by someone tossing a cup without looking! :crazy2:
 
Not just Disney, either. I've lost count of the times I've had half drunk cups of water or Powerade dumped down my leg by someone tossing a cup without looking! :crazy2:
Yeah, maybe I should amend my statement to say that it's among my biggest pet peeves in life!
 
You know the Marine Corps Marathon doesn't corral at all(unless they changed in the last couple years). It's all on the honor system.
 
Count me in as another back of the corral starter. We did this at our Goofy runs back in 2015 and I'm totally sold on this. We are run/walkers and at the beginning of any race it's really tough to get into your intervals as you are surrounded by just runners. We try to be very careful on crowded courses to get ourselves out of the way as much as possible and check behind us to find a good opportunity to transition to a walk, but, man, in those Disney corrals it's tough to do early on. Starting at the back though - WOW. We felt like we had all this space and it was so easy to slip into our intervals. We loved it and that's what we intend to do for our races in January again. Eventually with picture stops and all of that, the corrals end up intermingling no matter what.
 
I saw the boot lady too! I saw her go by while we were in a character line. She was moving at a pretty good clip for being in a boot and was off to one side. When my friend saw her go by, she said "Yep, that's a runner right there." I don't see anything wrong with her starting in her assigned corral. She earned it. And stopping for character stops puts you into a crowd of a lot of runners going slower than your PoT pace. One lady making the best of a bad situation is nothing. And I agree - seeing that makes any little aches and pains seem a little better.
 















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