MAJOR changes to Genie+!

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No the 99% are obviously more important. In fact, making Genie + more exclusive is bound to increase the happiness overall. The 1% (possibly less) will be VERY happy. But given they amount to such a small amount they won't unduly affect lines. So the 99% get happier. Now we seem to have everyone unhappy with Genie + as it feels very expensive and you don't get what you want. Of course, I am sure we would all be happier if they just went back to Fastpass One, but c'est la vi
So over all , I am not that upset about paying for G+ cause I understand ot a premium service, and cannot be offered across the board as it cannot work that way…

But


I would much prefer the ability to schedule the rides I want to use on a LL like the legacy FP….

It would make life so much easier to know those rides were scheduled and you could plan your day better. This plan as you go is a terrible idea.
 
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So over all , I am not that upset about paying for G+ cause I understand ot a premium service, and cannot be offered across the board as it cannot work that way…

But


I would much prefer the ability to schedule the rides I want to use on a LL like the legacy FP….

It would make life so much easier to know those rides were scheduled and you could plan your day better. This plan as you go is a terrible idea.
Yes! Let me buy in advance and let me schedule in advance. If that doesn’t work at least fix the time switching.
 
Well, I bought our tickets with G+ today for our trip this fall. Chalk me up to another person who thinks this is a sign of BAD things to come (price increase; frustrations with system crashes buying daily G+; sell-outs). My solution was to cut a day from our ticket (from 6 to 5) to offset the price increase from G+. We'll enjoy a resort day instead. As much as I dislike the concept and execution of G+, I think we are better off having a few short waits each day with G+ than an extra park day with nothing but long lines all day.

I started off the year in the camp of "I'm fed up with Disney and going to take a year off and do other things." Well, we booked our summer vacation as a cruise to Alaska and I'm already regretting my decision. We are locked into the cruise because of extremely steep cancellation penalties that kick in 3 months ahead. Couldn't get a room that sleeps 5 either on the cruise or the hotel that wasn't a suite, so paying for two connecting rooms when we only ever have to book one at Disney. It costs hundreds of dollars for each activity you do in the ports the cruise stops in. Flights were the absolute worst--we are just a 2 hour flight from MCO and there are lots of Southwest flights, so I am used to airfare between $300-$500 pp round trip, whereas flying to Seattle for the cruise was around $1200 pp! The worst part is none of the kids are even looking forward to Alaska--they worry it will be too cold and boring. And for 10-year olds and 6-year old, I'm kind of worried maybe they are right and they really won't have much fun. Total price is coming out to about four times what we typically pay for Disney.

I recently decided to go back to Disney for Thanksgiving. It's our "home" (we have DVC, which is how we can afford to add an extra vaycay), and life is too short to be unhappy. I still hate the idea of booking G+ at 7am each day and every 2 hours after, when I used to be able to plan a perfect schedule with FPs outside of meal times and midday breaks, and with no criss-crossing the parks. But we'll be at Disney, we'll see the castle, we'll ride at least some of our favorites, see the fireworks from our hotel, and all will be well.

These threads always seem to pivot to Universal. It isn't for everyone. I switched to Universal last year for spring break, ticket prices were MORE than Disney, and did not have a good time outside of Harry Potter world. We did have express pass from our "premier" hotel (where they stick a family of 5 in a tiny room for 4 and add a rollaway for $50 a night on top of the $700 a night room price). But what's the point of skip the line pass if you don't want to ride 90% of the rides after trying them once? After our first day of trying everything, we ended up just riding Gringotts over and over and playing the interactive wands because everything else was a disappointment (except Hagrid's and you can't use express pass for that). I can see how it would work for some families, but it SO different it baffles me why anyone would bother comparing it to disney.
And I think your situation is not unique. For everyone that is upset by the changes - they still come back. Disney knows that. Which is why prices are going to increase on things like genie+. It’s an add on option.
 
And I think your situation is not unique. For everyone that is upset by the changes - they still come back. Disney knows that. Which is why prices are going to increase on things like genie+. It’s an add on option.
People do come back but if others are like me and my sister, we have changed things. If we were taking 2 trips a year (we're out-of-state APs) staying at a deluxe each time, now we're taking two trips, and one of them is at a mod. Next year, both may be at a mod. So Disney is actually losing money on us.
 

I also liked the flexibility for people like us who aren't rope-droppers. We show up mid-morning and could have our FP+ set according to our schedule. G+ doesn't seem to be flexible enough for that yet and still requires an early start to set things up. We've been to the parks twice since it began. We haven't used G, G+, or LL and have three more trips this year and currently no plan to use it still. Granted, our kids are older and we don't care about ride quantity but would be happy to hit a few of our favorites each day. We've already resigned ourselves that we'll probably miss more than a few but tell ourselves that's ok since we'll be back.
We were just at WDW a few weeks ago and found Genie Plus and ILL to be much better suited for arriving late or hopping.

Instead of getting up at 6AM and being out the door by 6:55 to head out for rope drop, I set my alarm for 7 AM, purchased an ILL for DW and I for later in the afternoon. I made my first Genie+ selection around 7:15 which usually gave me a time for a priority ride sometime between 1030 to 1230. Then I was able to roll over and go back to sleep or take a leisurely shower and head into the parks whenever I felt like it. Every 2 hours I was able to make another G+ reservation. By the time we got to the park we had priority rides stacked between late morning into the evening. Did way more stuff than we normally did even after sleeping in and never stood in line.

My wife appreciated being able to stay in bed until 9 if she liked and we got to ride a ton of stuff with no wait. This worked even better on the nights we hopped to a second park as we usually had 3-4 rides booked there before we showed up. The only drawback for me was having to pay for it but honestly felt it was a pretty fair trade-off. I came into this trip incredibly skeptical about Genie plus but after watching a few youtube videos it worked perfect for us and my DW didn't want to murder me for waking her up at 6 AM every day...
 
People do come back but if others are like me and my sister, we have changed things. If we were taking 2 trips a year (we're out-of-state APs) staying at a deluxe each time, now we're taking two trips, and one of them is at a mod. Next year, both may be at a mod. So Disney is actually losing money on us.
You're still quite a frequent visitor, two times a year is a lot of money to sink into Disney..
 
People do come back but if others are like me and my sister, we have changed things. If we were taking 2 trips a year (we're out-of-state APs) staying at a deluxe each time, now we're taking two trips, and one of them is at a mod. Next year, both may be at a mod. So Disney is actually losing money on us.

Are your moderate trips the same cost or cheaper than your deluxe trips? We’re doing a moderate this trip and our entire trip is more expensive than our deluxe trip 4 years ago so I don’t think Disney is losing any money on me. I know their expenses haven’t gone up that much.
 
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Are your moderate trips the same cost or cheaper than your deluxe trips? We’re doing a moderate this trip and our entire trip is more expensive than our deluxe trip 4 years ago so I don’t think Disney is losing any money on me. I know their expenses haven’t gone up that much.
Was my same thought too. Bumping down in level of resort may or may not save money or an appreciable amount of it in terms of the grand scheme of things and looking from Disney's point of view depending on the price points you paid in the past.
 
Free DDP has been available every year for UK visitors. I could easily see Genie+ being thrown in as an incentice for overseas visitors.
UK visitors get LOTS of perks we can't get, especially the longer ticket. I once booked a great deal at Discovery Cove via a UK site because we never get those rates. It worked. I think you will always get great enticements due to your travel distance because I think you are one of Disney's favorite customers for sure. (Each Sept I used to book a specific time frame just to be here when the UK visitors came, they were so enjoyable to be around.) :goodvibes)

@HopperFan: I read a lot of your posts and 99.999% of the time I completely agree with you. Here, though, I'm not so sure. If inflation continues, fewer and fewer people are going to be able to afford a WDW vacation and Disney is going to start offering incentives, like the 7-nights-for-the-price-of-4 promotion many years ago.

They may never include G+ for free, but that doesn't mean they won't ditch G+ and introduce something else that does the same thing but is called by another name and offer it as part of a package.

PS: I'd love to hear your daughter's Soarin' stories!
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was responding to several posters that suggested they would not allow offsite guests to buy Genie+ at all and only let onsite guests access to the system. Parks are their own profit center and they aren't going to give up the income from the majority of the guests. Disney pretty much treats all park guests the same during posted park hours and the last thing they need to do is alienate the majority. Yes onsite guests could book FP+ earlier than offsite but they never told offsite they couldn't get them at all. Just like Universal, has the perk to deluxe but still available to buy by everyone else. Onsite guests get extra time in the parks.

Yes I know they will end up offering some goodies if the attendance drops - I've taken advantage of many of those things. But everything at Disney World isn't one big cash register, it is made up of lots of different profit centers. Each park has their own upper level management team, each hotel has it's own management team, dining has it's own ..... You know when some things disappear from the menus is because the DDP won't reimburse the location enough to make it worth their while? When Disney offers Free Dining, the reason it's not consistent across resorts in number of rooms they offer it's because the hotel has to absorb part of the cost of the program. If they don't feel they need it to fill rooms, they offer less rooms. The parks are not going to give up a HUGE pot of money unless hotels cover the cost. The hotels will come up with some incentives like they always have if they need to be filled. If the parks need filling, I see the offer you said with tickets - it's a win for Disney because those folks commit to being in the parks those days, hopefully spending money.

I do agree that this is only the first version of Genie+. They did a poor job of vetting it to see how it would really work and be received, but I don't think it will go away until they come up with something to replace it. If people are in long lines, Disney isn't making money. I've noticed last three trips that stores are empty - there is not much time to shop (spend) when you spend all your time in lines. It will be interesting for sure.

Here is a story - did you know that those folks sitting at desks up front by the screen are looking at camera screens. Called "the tower". They can see everyone up close. It is so if they see an issue they can do an E stop - last resort. Let's just say she saw some X-Rated inappropriate behavior. So folks - on Soarin' - BEHAVE!
Hmm, perhaps, but we all know Disney IT is pretty glitchy too. I once had a Toy Story Mania FP for our family. I KNEW I had it. I booked it two months ahead. I had it in my color-coded calendar. I saw it in the app in the morning as I was reviewing plans for the day. I tap into the ride and, erp. the dreaded blue flicker instead of a green circle. It had completely disappeared from MDE. I begged and pleaded and felt embarrassed that I must seem like the worst liar in the world but I must have looked credible because the CM let us in the FP line. Then as we were leaving the ride I opened MDE and THERE IT WAS again. I wanted to go back to the ride entrance to show the CM so she would know I didn't cheat, but DH said that was silly and we just cancelled it and moved on.

But I totally believe you that some people are cheats. I saw some teenagers hop over the railing from standby into the FP line once on one of the rides where the two queues run parallel for a bit before merging, but they must not have known about the second tap in point further down the FP line. They tried to argue but I was right behind them and said, no I saw them hop the rail, and they were sent to the back of the standby line.
I'm sure it happens, it happened to me. BUT you have to look at it from the other side. My DD had two previous Disney jobs but not in a park so she wasn't used to working the FP system. When my DD very first started at Soarin' (which was the old movie and at the time VERY POPULAR) she was working the entry to the FP line and did end up letting in a family. She immediately got pulled from her position and chewed out by a manager that saw it happen. They said unfortunately most folks are trying to talk their way in so she wasn't to let anyone in. She was to direct them to GR to figure it out. They actually can see every transaction on their system. So after you rode it is possible that CM got in trouble.
 
Are your moderate trips the same cost or cheaper than your deluxe trips? We’re doing a moderate this trip and our entire trip is more expensive than our deluxe trip 4 years ago so I don’t think Disney is losing any money on me. I know their expenses haven’t gone up that much.
I haven't really added everything up, but the mod trip so far was way less money than the same number of days at a deluxe this year and I'm pretty sure it was less money than the deluxe price in 2019.

Apologies that I don't have time to look this all up right now . . . working!
 
People do come back but if others are like me and my sister, we have changed things. If we were taking 2 trips a year (we're out-of-state APs) staying at a deluxe each time, now we're taking two trips, and one of them is at a mod. Next year, both may be at a mod. So Disney is actually losing money on us.
But there are people who are like me who now come more often. And stay at deluxe.

This is why I think they may offer it as a benefit to deluxe level guests - what you just said. It may make people decide to stay at a deluxe instead of moderate.

And frankly, they’ll make more on two families who aren’t APs in your place. The statistics show that APs spend less in the park overall than other guests.
 
Fence sitter here who bought genie plus for an 8 day ticket for a family of 3 this morning.

If everything stays the same, no price increase, no cap, no issues, I will be mad that I bought it today, but less mad than if I can't buy it on site. Less upset than I would be waking in a panic in the middle of the night or staring at a spinning wheel over a cup of coffee unable to get value out of my theme park admission.

I have now paid over $2700 for park hopper genie plus 8 day tickets for 3 people. FOR THEME PARK TICKETS. Where I might not get anything I want.

I have a lot of thinking to do.
I feel your pain. I can't believe the ticket prices for 3 people. We plan to get 3 or 4 day tickets for our week long trip which will cost between $1500 to $1900 with genie plus.
 
We were just at WDW a few weeks ago and found Genie Plus and ILL to be much better suited for arriving late or hopping.

Instead of getting up at 6AM and being out the door by 6:55 to head out for rope drop, I set my alarm for 7 AM, purchased an ILL for DW and I for later in the afternoon. I made my first Genie+ selection around 7:15 which usually gave me a time for a priority ride sometime between 1030 to 1230. Then I was able to roll over and go back to sleep or take a leisurely shower and head into the parks whenever I felt like it. Every 2 hours I was able to make another G+ reservation. By the time we got to the park we had priority rides stacked between late morning into the evening. Did way more stuff than we normally did even after sleeping in and never stood in line.

My wife appreciated being able to stay in bed until 9 if she liked and we got to ride a ton of stuff with no wait. This worked even better on the nights we hopped to a second park as we usually had 3-4 rides booked there before we showed up. The only drawback for me was having to pay for it but honestly felt it was a pretty fair trade-off. I came into this trip incredibly skeptical about Genie plus but after watching a few youtube videos it worked perfect for us and my DW didn't want to murder me for waking her up at 6 AM every day...
We were there this week (just got back), and that's exactly what we did and we stacked LL's up with always something to do for 4-5 hours at each park and we were done and ready for dinner - very easy and much more enjoyable than past trips.
 
I can’t get quote reply to work on my iPad. This is to Hopperfan, talking about the tower, cameras and E-Stops. I grew up in SoCal and went to Grad Nite in 1976. There’s a reason why Journey into the Atom by Monsanto was the most popular ride at Grad nites. Those cameras would have seriously crimped the point of grad nite, LOL!
 
Sorry...quick question as I haven't read all 12 pages. We currently have tickets for 6 park days for a trip in August. Before, we were planning on using Genie+ for some of those days but not all. Reading the article....if we want to do the pre-purchase to ensure we have it, then we have until June 7th to do so (and would then need to include all 6 park days)?
 
Sorry...quick question as I haven't read all 12 pages. We currently have tickets for 6 park days for a trip in August. Before, we were planning on using Genie+ for some of those days but not all. Reading the article....if we want to do the pre-purchase to ensure we have it, then we have until June 7th to do so (and would then need to include all 6 park days)?
Yes, if you want to pre-puchase G+, it must be for all ticket days. Currently and post June 7, if you only want G+ for select ticket days, you must purchase the day of.
 
But there are people who are like me who now come more often. And stay at deluxe.

This is why I think they may offer it as a benefit to deluxe level guests - what you just said. It may make people decide to stay at a deluxe instead of moderate.

And frankly, they’ll make more on two families who aren’t APs in your place. The statistics show that APs spend less in the park overall than other guests.

My family has only stayed at Deluxe resorts. Last time was just before the pandemic. We’d planned to come back for my 50th which coincided with WDW 50th (same day) but then all these changes started happening…

Yeah, we have no plans to go back. Will probably go to Universal next time we are in Florida. I LOVE planning Disney trips. Seriously love it - I design shirts, I design a planner/scrapbook, the whole nine yards. I could do that with FP+ because I could PLAN. With Genie+ I could only partially plan - because I couldn’t pre-order ILL and that was already enough to make me not want to go - because who wants to be stressed out EVERY MORNING wondering if you’ll get the rides you want at the times you need to go with the meals you’ve already booked at all the most expensive restaurants? Not me! Now having to even purchase Genie+ itself at MIDNIGHT?! Yeah, forget that.

And blah, blah, blah, I’m sure there are ten people who will take my place. Good luck to them. They’re gonna need it.
 
I know most table service restaurants are not operating at full capacity because of ongoing staffing issues, but Genie+ makes me want to never book a TS restaurant on a park day again. I was thinking of trying to get Space 220 reservations for our upcoming trip, but it's a lot less stressful to eat at QS if you don't know when you'll get LL reservations through Genie+. When we went to AK that's exactly what we did, lunch at Satuli and dinner at the lounge outside of Tiffins. With FP+, you could choose your times from the ones available even if you were booking for the same day. They took this away for absolutely no reason.
This is exactly our issue. It’s interesting to read all the comments from those of you who are regulars (we used to be) but we haven’t been in 12 years. We’re incredibly sad that due to ILL and Genie+ we basically can’t make ADRs or even roughly plan our days because of potential return times for hours and hours later. And we’re older now and not good waiting 175 minutes in SB lines. So we’ll skip ADRs except one night and just try to hit lounges instead. The whole WDW experience seems so much more stressful now and for us deflating.
 
This is exactly our issue. It’s interesting to read all the comments from those of you who are regulars (we used to be) but we haven’t been in 12 years. We’re incredibly sad that due to ILL and Genie+ we basically can’t make ADRs or even roughly plan our days because of potential return times for hours and hours later. And we’re older now and not good waiting 175 minutes in SB lines. So we’ll skip ADRs except one night and just try to hit lounges instead. The whole WDW experience seems so much more stressful now and for us deflating.
While QS and lounges are a perfectly good way to eat through a WDW vacation, I wouldn't avoid ADRs just because of Genie+. For our April trip we had either a lunch or dinner ADR every day plus a couple of Oga's reservations. With one hour LL windows we were able to work around ADRs without stress. We had 6 great park days- used Genie+ to our advantage in every park and waited in a total of two long lines (yep, 40 and 45 minutes is long for my group) the whole trip.
I posted this when we got back:
Post in thread 'Here Now & Just Back WDW Reopening Experiences Including Park Hopping' https://www.disboards.com/threads/h...-including-park-hopping.3807247/post-63923788


No matter your approach, I hope you have a great trip!!
 
I think one thing that would make G+ better would be dropping the 2p hopping rule. If I could rope drop Epcot, and be booking HS from jump, it would be a much better experience. Would make the hopper option a better value, and make G+ a better utility. The way it now, it stinks.
 

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