Lunch Detention.....

[krcit]

I'm a private school teacher. My daughter also attends the school. I really don't understand what you mean here. How can parents easily change the rules?

I think she meant that if parents don't like/agree with the rules then they can remove the child from the school.

 

[WDWBarb]

In the 80's, when I was in high school, I visited my former middle school at lunchtime (to sell school newspapers) and found that their new "lunchtime detention" was unusually cruel because the kids had to stand facing the wall with their backs to the kids. However, I believe they got a few minutes to eat first.

 

[3smithboys]

I am a MS teacher, and we do give lunch detentions sometimes.... when we do, the student brings his or her lunch to our classroom and eats it there - without talking. The point is that they are not able to be in the cafe socializing with friends.

 

[honugirl]

I don't really see anything wrong with them only getting 5 minutes to eat at the end of detention. It's easy to grab a protein bar or something.

If you have a health issue that necessitates eating, the problem can be solved easily... don't do anything to get lunch time detention! I have to eat regularly due to my weird endocrine issues so I just made sure I never did anything to warrant detention. Pretty simple.

Now I'm in college and sometimes I don't have more than 5 minutes or so to eat something, especially on long lab days when I'm in there for 4+ hours. My profs would look at me like I was nuts if I told them I had to secure my experiment for a half-hour, hour so I could eat. Some days, getting 10 minutes to run up to the cafe and sit down is a treat and somehow I manage...

 

[nuttylawprofessor]

Lunchtime detention exhists in DD12's middle school. They have to serve it in the room of the teacher who punished them. They are allowed to either bring a lunch to eat from home or go to the lunchroom to pick up their lunch and bring it back to eat in detention. Lunchtime detention is usually given out with advance notice. I have no problem with the way this is done.

I am a MS teacher, and we do give lunch detentions sometimes.... when we do, the student brings his or her lunch to our classroom and eats it there - without talking. The point is that they are not able to be in the cafe socializing with friends.

Hmmmm... who is being penalized? The kid or the teacher?

 

[punkin]

Hmmmm... who is being penalized? The kid or the teacher?

I do believe the teacher uses the time to Dis.

 

[3smithboys]

Hmmmm... who is being penalized? The kid or the teacher?

Actually, it's funny you say that. We started hearing that some of the kids liked coming up and eating with us!!! They liked hearing our conversations (not that they were THAT exciting or anything) and felt like they were hanging out with us!!! (even though they were sitting and their own table away from the teachers...) It seems that we can't win....

 

[daisyduck123]

Hmmmm, I don't think I'd choose that as a consequence, but I've eaten 5 minute lunches plenty of times. It doesn't take that long to eat a sandwich and an apple for example.

You got that right. I'm an elementary school teacher and usually eat a sandwich while rushing down the hall to the bathroom, in order to get to recess duty on time.

I bet that kid will straighten up & make sure she doesn't get another lunch detention again.

 

[roscoepc1]

So, in your opinion one day of having 5 minutes to eat your lunch in a room all by yourself is equal to child abuse because its witholding something from the 15 year old to sustain their comfortable life? I'm not sure I can even comment without risking points but I will say I think you have a distorted view of child abuse really is.

Not at all-

THIS is what the OP stated:

Does a lunchtime detention (resulting in the child not eating lunch) seem like an appropriate punishment?

IF they had time to eat, I have no problem with lunch time detention. But withholding nourishment? Abuse. Period.

 

[luvmy3]

Not at all-

THIS is what the OP stated:

Does a lunchtime detention (resulting in the child not eating lunch) seem like an appropriate punishment?

IF they had time to eat, I have no problem with lunch time detention. But withholding nourishment? Abuse. Period.

The OP did come back and post that she had 5 minutes to eat at the end of her detention period so I assumed you were referring to that. I still disagree that missing a lunch as punishment is abuse. There have been times where my kids have missed dinner as punishment. Missing a meal one day, even everyday is not abuse, not even close.

ETA I also think that your statement bolded below really just makes light of what abuse truly is, its not about witholding things that would make one's life uncomfortable.
In fact, I believe it's one of the legal definitions. Withholding of anything needed to sustain a comfortable life.
This is what abuse is
"Any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker, which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse, or exploitation, or an act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm"

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/define.cfm

 

[roscoepc1]

The OP did come back and post that she had 5 minutes to eat at the end of her detention period so I assumed you were referring to that. I still disagree that missing a lunch as punishment is abuse. There have been times where my kids have missed dinner as punishment. Missing a meal one day, even everyday is not abuse, not even close.

ETA I also think that your statement bolded below really just makes light of what abuse truly is, its not about witholding things that would make one's life uncomfortable.
In fact, I believe it's one of the legal definitions. Withholding of anything needed to sustain a comfortable life.
This is what abuse is
"Any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker, which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse, or exploitation, or an act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm"

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/define.cfm

I'm fully aware of what "true" abuse is..I'm a survivor. I also don't live in the States, so your use of your Gov't website is meaningless to me.Your definition might be true on the broad sense, but there are also shades of grey. The biggest issue I have with a school detention without lunch is that it's NOT the parent. As one poster stated...her child has health issues. The school might not know about issues a child may have. Hypoglycemia, a child adopted out of foster care who has food issues, early stage diabetes, etc etc etc the list goes on. The parent does know.

Saying that a kid goes without supper at home being comparable to a teacher withholding food is apples and oranges to me. Two separate issues. No one but a parent has the right to withhold nourishment from a child. And even then it needs to be for a darn good reason, and seldom used. Jmho.

I was commenting on the original post. Period.

 

[Kat77]

The OP did come back and post that she had 5 minutes to eat at the end of her detention period so I assumed you were referring to that. I still disagree that missing a lunch as punishment is abuse. There have been times where my kids have missed dinner as punishment. Missing a meal one day, even everyday is not abuse, not even close.

ETA I also think that your statement bolded below really just makes light of what abuse truly is, its not about witholding things that would make one's life uncomfortable.
In fact, I believe it's one of the legal definitions. Withholding of anything needed to sustain a comfortable life.
This is what abuse is
"Any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker, which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse, or exploitation, or an act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm"

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/define.cfm

Until you have a child with blood sugar issues... I promise you would feel differently then because your a reasonable girl .
We never withhold food as a punishment. My oldest child is likely to black out, not just feel icky these days. Teen boy metabolism has really done a number on regulating his sugar levels lately.

 

[PaulaSB12]

At the school my sister teaches they have to ask the parents permission to put kids in to detention (which is mad) as her children where at that school it led to an odd situation. She had to threaten her daughter with detection to get her to do something (dont know what) so she would have had to write a letter to herself asking herself for permission to put her daughter into detention!

 

[southern_redhead]

Lunch detention is common at the school where my dh teaches. Kids do eat lunch, but they do so in isolation and not in the cafeteria with friends.

This is how it is at the school where I work and, no, I don't find it to be an appropriate punishment for *most* offenses. It isn't much of a deterrent to our students, apparently, as we have many repeat offenders

I think for things like yelling or not keeping their hands to themselves (or in the case of a few kids doing absolutely disgusting things with the food on their trays to gross out other students) it can be fine but for things like hitting/biting or a child who repeatedly breaks the rules I think it should be an all day detention, paddling, or sent home.

I don't think a school would actually prohibit a child from having a full lunch period, though. I'm pretty sure that would open the school up to a lawsuit and they would know that. It sounds to me like perhaps someone fudged the details a bit in their favor, it happens more often then you'd think. My mother used to ask me "Is this the way I'll hear it if I call your teacher?" and I have taken the same tactic with my children. If they still say yes I tend to believe them (though I have verified occasionally.)

 

[SandrA9810]

We had lunch detention in high school but it didn't keep the student from eating lunch. They just had their lunch in a study hall type atmosphere in a different room where they were not allowed to socialize for the period instead of eating in the cafeteria that day. Even if you wanted to buy lunch you were escorted to the cafeteria to buy the lunch and then escorted back to the detention room.

My high school used the same room for lunch detention as in-school suspensions.

This is what I had in high school as well. It was offered at 12pm, since there was an early release work program, so there had to be a time for those students as well to serve their detention. But all students had a choice to do the lunch or after school.

I preferred this detention, I got to sit in a quiet auditorium with the wonderful AC and a book to curl up and read. Although after 4 detentions, you had to serve a saturday detention, with a parent for 2hrs I believe. I don't remember if you were allowed to eat, but I never ate.

The guidance counselor that oversaw it, always appreciated my behavior since I never tried to talk, get up, or do things that weren't allowed that many other people tried to do. He just didn't prefer to see me as often as he did.

 

[aprilgail2]

I know a few HS students who have intentionally not scheduled a lunch period, they are Juniors now and have been doing it since they were freshman. They will have all their graduation requirements done a year early and they have been doing just fine the last 3 years without sitting down for 30 minutes to have lunch.



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That is what I did--I was able to get out of high school a year early by taking classes every period and not having lunch and study hall!

Actually, it's funny you say that. We started hearing that some of the kids liked coming up and eating with us!!! They liked hearing our conversations (not that they were THAT exciting or anything) and felt like they were hanging out with us!!! (even though they were sitting and their own table away from the teachers...) It seems that we can't win....

That is a REWARD in my daughters school---you get to go have lunch in the teachers classroom LOL....on the days they offer it there is a mad rush to get a "ticket" to come up to the classroom because its first come first serve for the tickets! I usually end up driving her to school on that day so she can get in early to get one before the bus kids get there!

 

[mhsjax]

That is what I did--I was able to get out of high school a year early by taking classes every period and not having lunch and study hall!




That is a REWARD in my daughters school---you get to go have lunch in the teachers classroom LOL....on the days they offer it there is a mad rush to get a "ticket" to come up to the classroom because its first come first serve for the tickets! I usually end up driving her to school on that day so she can get in early to get one before the bus kids get there!

I don't get this, scheduling classes in HS. Maybe things have changed, I will find out next year. But when I was in HS, you didn't schedule yourself, it was scheduled for you and everyone, and I mean everyone took a lunch, in fact it wa right in the middle of my language arts class. This class was extra long to accommodate lunch period.

 

[luvmy3]

I'm fully aware of what "true" abuse is..I'm a survivor. I also don't live in the States, so your use of your Gov't website is meaningless to me.Your definition might be true on the broad sense, but there are also shades of grey. The biggest issue I have with a school detention without lunch is that it's NOT the parent. As one poster stated...her child has health issues. The school might not know about issues a child may have. Hypoglycemia, a child adopted out of foster care who has food issues, early stage diabetes, etc etc etc the list goes on. The parent does know.

Saying that a kid goes without supper at home being comparable to a teacher withholding food is apples and oranges to me. Two separate issues. No one but a parent has the right to withhold nourishment from a child. And even then it needs to be for a darn good reason, and seldom used. Jmho.

I was commenting on the original post. Period.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree then because abuse has nothing to do with making one's life less comfortable. And as far as me posting my govt' website not having any meaning to you, thats fibe but what happened, happened HERE in the states so it does in fact matter if you are going to claim what was done here as abuse.

Until you have a child with blood sugar issues... I promise you would feel differently then because your a reasonable girl .
We never withhold food as a punishment. My oldest child is likely to black out, not just feel icky these days. Teen boy metabolism has really done a number on regulating his sugar levels lately.

Yes, I am a reasonable girl Of course punishing a child with true hypoglycemia this way would be wrong, but we aren't talking about those children here.The Op never mentioned that the girl has any issues and my posts are referring to healthy children, not ones who have a real medical neccessity to eat.

BTW, my dd has blood sugar issues too, she gets dizzy, light headed and nauseous during the day if she doesn't eat. Luckily we have had her checked and she is "normal" but she still needs something to eat throughout the day. She has permission in school to eat (snacks) when needed. As a parent its my responsibility to make sure she has her snacks on her, so if she was punished in school by withholding lunch she would still have food to eat. Although, my kid's schools are very good at knowing the needs of their students so this kind of punishment most likely wouldn't be given to her, and especially not to a child with real hypoglycemia If it was then of course there would be a problem, but again thats not the kids we are talking about here.

 

[luvmy3]

I don't get this, scheduling classes in HS. Maybe things have changed, I will find out next year. But when I was in HS, you didn't schedule yourself, it was scheduled for you and everyone, and I mean everyone took a lunch, in fact it wa right in the middle of my language arts class. This class was extra long to accommodate lunch period.

Things have definitely changed since I've been in HS, and it probably varies by State and probably District as well.
In my school we had to have a lunch period, and we weren't allowed to leave early for work. I went to a private parochial school and my friends in some of the public HS got to leave early to go to work, they also got to leave school grounds to go to lunch. I know here these things are not allowed.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

I don't get this, scheduling classes in HS. Maybe things have changed, I will find out next year. But when I was in HS, you didn't schedule yourself, it was scheduled for you and everyone, and I mean everyone took a lunch, in fact it wa right in the middle of my language arts class. This class was extra long to accommodate lunch period.

It is the same here. Lunch is automatic. You cannot schedule out of it. You pick your classes but they schedule them for you. Now it is done by computer.