LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[Laketravis]

Like I said, I'm not doing any of those things. I choose not to go. I'm not trying to have my cake and eat it, too. My cake is being eaten by other people, so I'm simply letting them have it and moving on to pie..

I like pie!


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[jade1]

Jade, I asked to be pointed to a post where someone was complaing about having nothing available to ride because they arrived late in the day. Below (in bold) is an example of what prompted me to ask this:



I NEVER took any of your posts as you complaing about ANYTHING. Your posts are always very positive, and you always manage to stay above the FP+ debate fray. You intended your thoughts about FP+ to be seen as "rejoicing", and that is exactly how I took them. Clear?

Oh heck yea, since you were wondering about it I just assumed my post-but never took it as a negative, just informative.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

You did not say "daily." You were quoted in posts 585 and 596 and the word daily does not appear.

Actually, he was responding to Jimmy V in regards to times riding a ride per day.

So no, he did not use the word "daily"--but he was very much referencing daily given the context of this response in post 573:

That's actually a good point. And, I would say that most visitors to WDW do not go to WDW to ride every roller coaster 3 times. They ride the coaster once and then move on to other things. Shows, parades, other rides, etc. Coaster hopping is something you would find more in a six flags park where there really is not much more to do than to ride coasters and they cater to a different type of visitor typically. Therefore, I would theorize that the touring style employed by most WDW visitors would fit well with FP+.

To this post which he quoted in the same post 573:

It all comes down to touring style. And the park you are in. Assume that in the past, your day at DHS was simply not complete unless you rode:
TSMM x 2
RnR x 3
ToT x 2

Not everybody did this. We are told here that "most people did", and that "few people did". We just don't know. But the fact is, some did. I was one of them. There is no math that you can apply to this problem to make that day easier or faster to accomplish now than it was in the past. And it shouldn't be easier. Remember that there is a profit objective in this for Disney. Do they want to make you more efficient and faster, or less efficient and slower? Do they want you to add a day or two to your trip in order to accomplish all the things that you want, or do they want you to chop a day or two off of your trip so that you can go stay at Universal for a few days? It simply cannot be the case that Disney implemented this system so that people could accomplish in 4 days that which they used to accomplish in 5. But if it turns out that this is what they did, and that people can now tour the parks faster and more efficiently, leaving them with extra days to go see Harry Potter, then somebody is going to get fired. There are no absolutes here. Maybe some people can ride 23 rides in a day when they used to only do 18. But if that is happening, then Disney goofed.

 

[SmithSmith]

Oh heck yea, since you were wondering about it I just assumed my post-but never took it as a negative, just informative.

Ok good.

I just kept reading that people had no right to complain about availability if they showed up late. And I kept asking myself "Who are these people talking about? Who is showing up late and complaing about it? Are they talking about Jade? That doesn't make sense because Jade hasn't been complaing... at all". So I asked for clarification, and the rest you know.

 

[cakebaker]

So if you get there first and get all the best shoes, that's okay. But if you somehow use up ride capacity and leave none for someone else, it's not okay?




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That is entirely up to the store whether I get all the shoes or not. Stores quite often set purchasing limits on how much you can buy. I don't expect guests to self limit- or shoppers. They set a limit, I follow it. I don't like it, I don't shop there.

The entire point being- the simple fact that someone does not like the way WDW chooses to operate their parks does not make that choice a failure or success. I completely understand not liking having the ability to power ride or tour the way one used to being taken away. I don't understand the desire to hunt down back up reasons that prove your simple dislike is somehow a disaster for the company.

 

[BugsDaddy]

Actually, he was responding to Jimmy V in regards to times riding a ride per day.

So no, he did not use the word "daily"--but he was very much referencing daily given the context of this response in post 573:





To this post which he quoted in the same post 573:

Thanks, Lisa. It saved me some time from having to go back and quote everything. . What a beat down. Jeez Louise.

 

[mom2rtk]

Rope drop resolved your issue as you state here.

Same deal for HS since TOT is not a tier 1 attraction.

So there IS a way. Now, you may not care for it, but there is a way out of the box.

So rope drop solves the issue?

Here's my response to that:

Why should anyone have to get up at the crack of dawn, drag tired kids out of bed after a long day of traveling or in another park so that they can rush in and grab a paper fp? Why shouldn't someone be able to leisurely enjoy their vacation in whatever way they choose? I thought vacations were supposed to be relaxing and fun.

Just substitute "so I can make up for tiers and getting fewer FPs under FP+" in place of "so they can rush in and grab a paper FP."

 

[Laketravis]

That is entirely up to the store whether I get all the shoes or not. Stores quite often set purchasing limits on how much you can buy. I don't expect guests to self limit- or shoppers. They set a limit, I follow it. I don't like it, I don't shop there..

In much the same way, it was entirely up to Disney how many FP's one could pull. Both sets of supply conditions are the same, but you said it didn't make sense to you that somebody might not be able to ride anything based on when they showed up in the park. I'm explaining that it's the same as if someone showed up several hours after you bought the last pair of shoes.


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[cakebaker]

So rope drop solves the issue?

Here's my response to that:

So I guess it's just a question matter of we've done it and survived, so can you.

I would argue there are other ways to solve the problem besides rope drop, but rope drop was the suggestion of the person she responded to.

Park hopping is the cure to tiers for us. Doesn't fix it for all, but nothing ever does.

 

[Laketravis]

Park hopping is the cure to tiers for us...

How so?



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[Silock]

Thanks, Lisa. It saved me some time from having to go back and quote everything. . What a beat down. Jeez Louise.

So, now that you've clarified that point, I still want to know where you're getting your source numbers.

It may be true that people aren't riding each headliner at MK 3 times a day, but it's certainly plausible for the other parks, where headliners are much rarer.

 

[cakebaker]

In much the same way, it was entirely up to Disney how many FP's one could pull. Both sets of supply conditions are the same, but you said it didn't make sense to you that somebody might not be able to ride anything based on when they showed up in the park. I'm explaining that it's the same as if someone showed up several hours after you bought the last pair of shoes.


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And when they have to pay thousands of dollars to get into the store, your comparison might be valid.

 

[Laketravis]

And when they have to pay thousands of dollars to get into the store, your comparison might be valid.

And to lend validity to your statement, can you clarify exactly what those thousands of dollars should entitle guests to at WDW? Is it simply three short waits per day via FP's reserved in advance as they are currently and variably provided with no guarantee or expectation that any more will be available once those three are used? Or should thousands of dollars entitle guests to more than that?


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[jade1]

And when they have to pay thousands of dollars to get into the store, your comparison might be valid.

Yep, and the "one per customer" has been common on hot items for decades.

 

[Laketravis]

Yep, and the "one per customer" has been common on hot items for decades.

It certainly has, for items ranging in value from a few dollars to a few hundred dollars. But for "thousands of dollars" I'm interested in hearing the opinion as to what the entitlements should be.



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[jade1]

It certainly has, for items ranging in value from a few dollars to a few hundred dollars. But for "thousands of dollars" I'm interested in hearing the opinion as to what the entitlements should be.



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Oh sorry, it should be 3 short waits, and as new attractions open-they should be offered to those that pay more for lodging and/or purchase them-on top of the 3.

Other than that-seasons should dictate wait times/how much guests can do.

 

[cakebaker]

And to lend validity to your statement, can you clarify exactly what those thousands of dollars should entitle guests to at WDW? Is it simply three short waits per day via FP's reserved in advance as they are currently and variably provided with no guarantee or expectation that any more will be available once those three are used? Or should thousands of dollars entitle guests to more than that?


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I don't feel the need to add validity to my statement and since I disagree with your premise, it's impossible to answer your question.

 

[Hokie2000]

Have I missed something? Can someone point my to the post where someone is complaing of dealing with long lines and limited FPs because they wanted to go to the park late in the day?

I know! Stating that a new system makes a process better does not automatically equate to complaining about the old process!

 

[Laketravis]

I don't feel the need to add validity to my statement and since I disagree with your premise, it's impossible to answer your question.

Oh, okay. I just want to make sure I understand it's not okay to spend thousands of dollars and use every FP available to me because it might mean that someone else won't get an FP but if I had paid thousands of dollars to get into a store there should be shoes left. Likewise, if I pay thousands of dollars the best I can expect are three FP's and nothing more and that's okay because it means there are still FP's left for the other people who paid thousands of dollars.




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[BugsDaddy]

So, now that you've clarified that point, I still want to know where you're getting your source numbers.

It may be true that people aren't riding each headliner at MK 3 times a day, but it's certainly plausible for the other parks, where headliners are much rarer.

There are no numbers to support it. Disney doesn't even release their attendance officially, do you think that they would release those numbers? As I said before, it is common sense to me. If you don't agree so be it. I spent 3 posts just to argue over the word "daily". You can stop responding to my posts now.