LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[BugsDaddy]

Source?

Do I really need a source to state that most WDW visitors don't care to ride each coaster 3 times a day? I think it's just common sense.

 

[jade1]

You don't *have* to do anything. The problem comes when people want to have their cake and eat it, too. If getting out of bed late and getting to the parks is more relaxing, then do that. But one can't then turn around and complain that there are long lines or limited FPs because people got there first.

Your right-because of FP+ you don't need to.

 

[Silock]

Many people demonstrate doing a ton, under FP+, with minimal waits.

At MK. Not so much at the other parks. Also, many people are just ride/attractions people. They don't go to a ton of shows, they don't do Universe of Energy, and they don't do Meet and Greets. So, things with high FP demand their priority, and they don't get to do those as much, so they're making the choice to simply not go to WDW.

 

[wisblue]

Source?

See my post above with some basic numbers relating to DHS.

If most guests (more than 50%) went to DHS wanting to ride each of the major rides 3 times each, the pure numbers say that most of them failed miserably.

It was never possible for most guests to get that many rides in, whether they wanted to or not. FP+ just makes it a lot more difficult for ANYONE to do it, and that small minority (not surprisingly) doesn't like that.

 

[Silock]

Do I really need a source to state that most WDW visitors don't care to ride each coaster 3 times a day? I think it's just common sense.

You didn't say "per day." You said "3 times."

 

[SmithSmith]

Have I missed something? Can someone point my to the post where someone is complaing of dealing with long lines and limited FPs because they wanted to go to the park late in the day?

 

[JimmyV]

Rope drop resolved your issue as you state here.

Same deal for HS since TOT is not a tier 1 attraction.

So there IS a way. Now, you may not care for it, but there is a way out of the box.

You misread "the box". How do you repeat either of those attractions now? Before, you could RD Ride #1, FP Ride #2, and get another FP for either Ride #1 or Ride #2. Your post does not solve that problem. Now, it is RD Ride #1, FP Ride #2, and......go watch Off Kilter. Oh. Wait.

 

[BugsDaddy]

You don't *have* to do anything. The problem comes when people want to have their cake and eat it, too. If getting out of bed late and getting to the parks is more relaxing, then do that. But one can't then turn around and complain that there are long lines or limited FPs because people got there first.

So, kind of like how people have a choice of staying up late to get than super coveted FP on day 60 or just going with flow and possibly being limited on choice? Where have I heard this argument before?

 

[BugsDaddy]

Have I missed something? Can someone point my to the post where someone is complaing of dealing with long lines and limited FPs because they wanted to go to the park late in the day?

I think Jade stated why going to the park later in the day did not work well with old FP but works better with FP+ and then was told that the reason it didn't work with old Fastpass was because "she was doing it wrong".

 

[jade1]

So, kind of like how people have a choice of staying up late to get than super coveted FP on day 60 or just going with flow and possibly being limited on choice? Where have I heard this argument before?

 

[Silock]

So, kind of like how people have a choice of staying up late to get than super coveted FP on day 60 or just going with flow and possibly being limited on choice? Where have I heard this argument before?

There's a big difference between planning most of your day 60 days out as opposed to doing it the morning of in 2 hour increments.

EDIT: Also, staying up late to reserve isn't the major problem with the system. It's not super convenient, but it's hardly the worst design flaw.

 

[cakebaker]

You don't *have* to do anything. The problem comes when people want to have their cake and eat it, too. If getting out of bed late and getting to the parks is more relaxing, then do that. But one can't then turn around and complain that there are long lines or limited FPs because people got there first.

And neither do those who don't like FP+. You don't like to plan? You don't have to. You don't want to get up at midnight? You don't have to. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Is there an unwritten rule in the book of theme parks that says you have to rush and run and hurry to beat the crowd? That FP+ makes what is a tiring vacation a little more relaxing only further proves what a great idea it is.

But again, we don't lay in bed and sleep and saunter into the parks. We are at park opening. We park hop. In the afternoon park, I expect to be able to enjoy the attractions there just like those who were there that morning did. You don't get to ride 4-5 times and I get to ride none because you choose a different way to visit the parks.

I fail to see why anyone should be able to ride an attraction multiple times and other guests get to ride NONE because they chose to come to the park at a different time of day. That makes no sense to me. If you get there early, you automatically get to ride more because you have more time. But it simply does not entitle you to max out the availability to everyone else.

 

[BugsDaddy]

You didn't say "per day." You said "3 times."

I said, to quote "3 times daily". Daily being the key word there. Please go back and read my statement again and better yet pleas quote it and post it so that we can put this one to bed at least.

 

[SmithSmith]

I think Jade stated why going to the park later in the day did not work well with old FP but works better with FP+ and then was told that the reason it didn't work with old Fastpass was because "she was doing it wrong".

Okay, thanks. That's what I suspected, but I didn't hear Jade complaing about it...

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

You misread "the box". How do you repeat either of those attractions now? Before, you could RD Ride #1, FP Ride #2, and get another FP for either Ride #1 or Ride #2. Your post does not solve that problem. Now, it is RD Ride #1, FP Ride #2, and......go watch Off Kilter. Oh. Wait.

1. EMH
2. Slow season

 

[jade1]

Have I missed something? Can someone point my to the post where someone is complaing of dealing with long lines and limited FPs because they wanted to go to the park late in the day?

Do you mean this?

Definitely not "complaining" of dealing with them for arriving "late" (ie the last 15 hours of the park opening, although we went in even later) , "REJOICING" how much better it was with FP+.

Last time at XMAS a few years ago.

But apparently you have not visited at XMAS.

Arriving even at noon all of FP- were long gone. We stay until 3AM so even noon would be a 15 hour day.

160 minutes was for each of the mountains the evening of NYE preview fireworks at midnight.

So Pirates....10 (which was more than 45 minutes as well, but lets use 10)
BTMRR........160
Space.........160
SPlash........160

Total..........490 minutes / 4 is 122 minutes per ride, or a bit over 2 hours each.

This year:

BTMRR......10
7DMT........10
Space.......10
Pirate ......45

Total..... 75 minute / 4 is is 19 minutes each.

 

[Silock]

I said, to quote "3 times daily". Daily being the key word there. Please go back and read my statement again and better yet pleas quote it and post it so that we can put this one to bed at least.

You did not say "daily." You were quoted in posts 585 and 596 and the word daily does not appear.

 

[Laketravis]

I fail to see why anyone should be able to ride an attraction multiple times and other guests get to ride NONE because they chose to come to the park at a different time of day. That makes no sense to me.

I don't think of buying a pair of shoes as a competition. But when they have a great sale and I want the best selection, I better get there early and beat the competition....

So if you get there first and get all the best shoes, that's okay. But if you somehow use up ride capacity and leave none for someone else, it's not okay?




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[Silock]

And neither do those who don't like FP+. You don't like to plan? You don't have to. You don't want to get up at midnight? You don't have to. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Like I said, I'm not doing any of those things. I choose not to go. I'm not trying to have my cake and eat it, too. My cake is being eaten by other people, so I'm simply letting them have it and moving on to pie.

That FP+ makes what is a tiring vacation a little more relaxing only further proves what a great idea it is.

Except now, if you want to ride headliners with minimal wait when you do not have or could not obtain a FP, you MUST do rope drop. There's no way around it. It might have been that way with FP- on certain days, like the busiest days of the year, but it wasn't true for every day. FP+ is certainly an advantage during the busy season. But it's not so good in the less-busy season.

You don't get to ride 4-5 times and I get to ride none because you choose a different way to visit the parks.

I fail to see why anyone should be able to ride an attraction multiple times and other guests get to ride NONE because they chose to come to the park at a different time of day. That makes no sense to me. If you get there early, you automatically get to ride more because you have more time. But it simply does not entitle you to max out the availability to everyone else.

That was never the case under FP- unless you just didn't go to the attraction ever. You were locked out for a minimum time before you could get another FP, which let other guests get FPs in that time. Now, you might have run into a scenario in which guests got only ONE FP for an attraction and people arriving later did not get one. TSMM was like that. Most of the time, FPs were gone for the day within 45 minutes of opening. But in these cases, no one was riding that multiple times using FP and not ever allowing another guest to do it. The time simply doesn't work out for that. One might have been able to ride it twice, via standby at RD after getting a FP, and then using the FP ride. But it was never twice via FP without letting someone else have an opportunity to get a FP.

 

[SmithSmith]

Do you mean this?

Definitely not "complaining" of dealing with them for arriving "late" (ie the last 15 hours of the park opening) , "REJOICING" how much better it was with FP+.

Jade, I asked to be pointed to a post where someone was complaing about having nothing available to ride because they arrived late in the day. Below (in bold) is an example of what prompted me to ask this:

You don't *have* to do anything. The problem comes when people want to have their cake and eat it, too. If getting out of bed late and getting to the parks is more relaxing, then do that. But one can't then turn around and complain that there are long lines or limited FPs because people got there first.

I NEVER took any of your posts as you complaing about ANYTHING. Your posts are always very positive, and you always manage to stay above the FP+ debate fray. You intended your thoughts about FP+ to be seen as "rejoicing", and that is exactly how I took them. Clear?