Boy, I hope your're right about the 2 years. I don't think the Matterhorn queue is nearly as cramped as: Alice in Wonderland( next to the Teacups) Peter Pan and Mr Toad. These ride queues are very close to each other. How are they going to add FP+ to them?I'd say you've got a comfortable 2 years of DLR FP- goodness to enjoy.
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I agree with this. We are told by many WDW guests that, (with the exception of A&E), "everything is available, even just a few days in advance." Taking them at their word, then people who opt to go to DLR with little or no advance warning should be able to book pretty much everything they want. And with only a few thousand on site guests to compete with, assuming that DLR implements the same 60/30 booking windows, the real race for space will come at 30 days, not 60. In reality, the vast majority of FPs would likely be booked within 7 days of use. The system should work like a charm at DLR. Which makes me wonder why it is taking them so long to implement it. Logistics? Money? IT issues? Fear of negative backlash from DLR loyalists?
What on Earth is the point of positing "I could make this argument, but it would be wrong... so I won't"
And as a FP+ enthusiast, I don't think I've ever made that argument. That's not even a FP+ type argument... it's an argument one who liked FP- would have made toward people who didn't use FP- to say FP- isn't broken. i.e. you could have used it, you just chose not to.
It's not at all difficult to "argue you are getting more for your vacation dollar under FP+". I am getting more for my vacation dollar under FP+. Most guests do. Most guests get more, that is why those who loved the old system are not happy w the new system, cuz now most guests are indeed getting those extra rides on things that you and I used to get for ourselves.
Same number of rides.
Different people getting them.
Time saved due to cutting out FP- waste.
More profitable for Disney.
Some guests upset, but more guest experiences improved than hurt.
= Net "+" for FP+.
Not saying it's a + for you, just that it's a + for Disney in general and most of its guests. It will never be a + for you if you used to pull 3 FP-s to Soarin and TT. You can't do that now, period -- so it will be a - for you. But you do have to accept that pulling 3 FPs to Soarin and TT was not the standard guest experience. It was something only a small handful of people did. For these people, FP+ is a -. For everyone else who pulled no fast passes at all, it's now a +.
I don't get why it's so hard to separate your experience from the experience most people got. Most people who stood in line while you'd walk past them over and over in the FP- line.
Right? You simply cannot truthfully say "most people would pull 3 Fast Passes to Soarin before. Now they only get 1". It's just not possible. Soarin only handles 17,000 riders. It's not physically possible that 50,000 guests were pulling 3 fast passes each to it. So you are mistaken to keep insinuating that because FP- was awesome for you, that it was equally awesome for the other guests. When you come to the realization that FP- was awesome for you because most guests did not use it, then you begin to see why FP+ was created and why it's a + in general even tho it's a - for you.
Oh and I gave an explanation of why FP+ is good for us here... (Post 20, bottom of page)
http://www.disboards.com/threads/love-or-hate-fp-anyones-mind-been-changed.3373606/#post-52964697
Period !
I'm with you, we never used FP to re-ride headliners multiple times. The items you listed are on my list, and I would add the time the FP+ booking window opens and long lines at the kiosks.
I'll go with it isn't what they are making it out to be. They can hype it all they want. The responses I have seen at various locations are 50/50. I just don't think they are ready to stir the pot again!
"What on earth " is the reason for posting the same inaccurate hyperbole. Why oh why do you and a few others always seem to be suggesting
1. That "most" guests are happier with fp+. We know quite a few visitors who have been unhappy with fp+ and other than the "few"(just to counteract your most) here who seem to like it I really know no one extolling its virtues outside of the DB. Out of all of our friends and family I would say that the dislike far outweighs the likes...but Im just looking at 20-30 people. Fact is no one knows how many are happy or unhappy with it. Why do you seem to have so much trouble accepting that there are those who like it and those who don't instead of always trying to convince those who don't of why they're "wrong".
2. Where did the presumption by the pro fp+ posse come from that those who don't like fp+ were all repeat riders, or fp- commandos. If you read through the numerous threads you see this over and over and over again posted by the same few. I don't know what you've been reading but it is a fact that I have seen numerous and varied reasons for not liking fp+. Only some of the posters have mentioned the inability to reride with other comments including but not limited to tiering, longer standby lines, lack of spontaneity, accomplishing less in the same amount of time etc. etc.
My experience in the past was likely the same as most .We didn't use numerous fp's in a day. We didn't repeat ride. We don't like fp+ We don't think fp+ is awesome.
Hater.
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This question reminds me of the old tootsie pop commercial. You know, the how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop one. The world may never know!
I observed a lot of stressed out Kiosk CM's when we were there last April, I was wondering if things had improved. I guess not.
