Line holders

[ParkHoppers]

Meh. I noted the two times this has happened in my case. After 13+ trips to the parks. You can call me a line cutter for doing it twice, once for a potty break and once for a treat for my kids. But because of those two instances I have no problem letting it happen in front of me. I think there are two groups: those who care and those who don't. Those who don't aren't necessarily "cutters" themselves. Maybe just a little more understanding.

You think there are two groups. Those who care and those who don't. I also think there are two groups. Those who care about how they may effect others in a negative way and those that don't. In your case of taking a child to the bathroom I wouldn't have a problem at all. You were already in line with the rest of us. You should have read more of this thread before posting because that is how most feel about what you did. If you read more of this thread you might not have got on the defensive and called everyone standing up for the right thing to do miserable. I will close with two more groups. The one that does the right thing by their fellow humans and the one that does the wrong thing by their fellow humans. Pretty simple really.

 

[ParkHoppers]

I am only saying this last thing on this subject. It is mostly for all those who have not read through this thread and are getting on the defensive.

I have no problem with those who need to leave the line to take their child for a potty break. Most others in this thread feel the same way.

I do however have a problem with those who put one person in line so that their more than capable family can rest in the shade and not have to wait in line with the rest of us.

I do have a problem with those groups that decide to do two things at once and then have half the group show up at my line and not have to wait like the rest of us did. They just go right to the front of the line.

We are all the same when it comes to waiting in lines. If someone has a serious health issue that is obviously an exception. All our time is important. Yours is no more important than ours. Please be aware of those around you also on vacation and stop and think for a second on what the right thing to do by them would be.

 

[whiporee]

Here's what makes me chuckle about this. I think your statement, and the one similar to it by another poster, is a simplistic way of looking at it that slants the issue to your perspective in an attempt to give you the moral high ground and defines the issue (what is cutting) your way so you can then make your point. I would say there are more than two perspectives and yes, a few people do seem more irate about it than others (This may not be you).

But here's what you overlook -- it only works if a very few people are doing it. If everyone followed this paradigm of holding spots, then there wouldn't be enough room for anyone to get through. I assume you can understand that because you can type; it's common sense at that level. Disney lines are designed to be single file for a reason -- they aren't designed for two-way traffic, and they aren't designed for late search and merge situations. You cannot find your family without pushing past people in front of you. I cannot be done in a Disney line.

The only reason line cutting and spot holding is possible at all is because very very few people do it. If everyone did -- if it was the norm -- then maybe Jimmy's utopian calculations would hold out. But what you can't have is the coexistence of line holders and non-line holders. There is no way as defining that as fair. So when you claim it's no big deal, it's only because you're one of the very few people who do it at all (and I know you've said you've only done it a couple of times). It's not commonplace; but the reason it's not commonplace isn't because other people are dumb or because they don't want their families to maximize their vacation time, it's because they know it's not proper behavior. People know that when there is a line, everyone is supposed to wait in it. It's common sense and it's the bedrock of civilization, that we do not, in common environments, try to take advantage of each other. We do not say to each other "I know you were here before me, but I'm going to go ahead of you for no other justification than I want to." The only people who try to skip or cut or hold spots in line are the ones who understand the rules are there and decide they don't care. And that's a factor of life, too -- there are always people who decide they don't care about rules or ethos, they only want what is best for them at that moment. It's unavoidable.

But to try and make it sound like it's okay? That I don't get. You want to say -- like one previous poster said -- I don't give a crap about any of you, I'm doing this and I dare you to stop me, that's fine. Jerky, but fine. Eventually someone will stop them. Eventually someone will not let them pass or call them embarrassing names or humiliate their family to the point the kids beg the parent to not do that again. Push it far enough and eventually someone might throw a punch. Someone always does and it'll be ugly and no one will feel attractive afterward.

But it's not okay. It's not right. it's not fair. And anyone with a moral compass knows it.

 

[flatlandcycle]

It's obvious the the crowds are too large. The entry ticket prices need to be doubled.

 

[KBinCO]

You think there are two groups. Those who care and those who don't. I also think there are two groups. Those who care about how they may effect others in a negative way and those that don't. In your case of taking a child to the bathroom I wouldn't have a problem at all. You were already in line with the rest of us. You should have read more of this thread before posting because that is how most feel about what you did. If you read more of this thread you might not have got on the defensive and called everyone standing up for the right thing to do miserable. I will close with two more groups. The one that does the right thing by their fellow humans and the one that does the wrong thing by their fellow humans. Pretty simple really.

I read the post. I stated my examples. I was told by some they'd get a CM and hold me back.

And that's fine. Tell me no. We won't ride. I really don't care that much.

 

[momtotaryn]

I haven't taken the time to read everyone's posts, but I thought I'd share our experience.

We were at WDW and Universal in June, from the 3rd through the 13th. At WDW, there were some instances where people would make their way through the line to meet up with their group, but this happened just a handful of times. In all cases, they seemed to be family members that possibly got out of line to go to the restroom or whatever. I never saw any huge groups rudely push their way through the lines. It's possible that happened, but I was not aware of it personally.

Now Universal was another story. We did two days there, and OMGosh, I will just say that the people there are so different from WDW, at least IMO. I saw lots of folks (mostly young kids) that would shove their way through the lines to meet up with their friends. This happened in almost every line I stood in. There were also kids that would blatantly cut in the FP line (forgot what Universal calls their version of the FP), and I am pretty sure they didn't have a FP. It got to a point where I would get pretty annoyed, but I didn't say anything. Why? Well, I'm on vacation, and I really didn't want to ruin my trip by having any kind of confrontation or negative incident. I prefer to have happy memories over unhappy ones.

There was one time that my 25 y/o DD was waiting in line with the rest of us (DH, my younger 15 y/o DD, and me) for the Hogwarts Express Train. It had a super long line, because the train was shut down for several hours due to technical problems and had just opened for service. While waiting, my DD HAD TO go to the restroom. We were about halfway to the train, and she said she couldn't wait. No restrooms in the waiting area, so she had to exit the area to get to the closest one. She did ask a Universal worker if she could leave to go to the restroom and return to meet up with us. The worker said no problem, just give the front workers her name, and they should let you through. My DD did make it in time and made her way back to us (we were getting pretty close by then), but some of the looks she got from others were pretty scary. No one said anything, but you could just feel the tension. I see people are OK with parents taking their little ones to the bathroom, but I think in this situation, it should be OK too.

 

[flatlandcycle]

There is nothing to disagree about. If one person per group holds their place in line as opposed to all members of the group actually being in line, you have to get the same result. It cannot be any other way. Let's say that each person takes 5 seconds to board. If all 4 people wait in line, then it takes 20 seconds for the group to board. If one person holds their place in line, and the other three join the line at the boarding area, it still takes this group 20 seconds to board. 20=20. No matter how you try to play with the numbers, this equation is immutable. If it takes an hour to board 1,000 people, it doesn't matter if those 1,000 people waited in line or came into the line at the last moment. As long as everyone does so in their ordinal place and doesn't try to move ahead of people who were in front of them, you cannot get a different result.

Would you please stop using cuing theory? I'm going to have to change my Depends. Yes people get on trains and work in poultry processing plants wearing Depends as their latrine stop. Disney should issue Depends or swim diapers at the start of all lines.

 

[JimmyV]

I'm having a hard time following this myself. Using an average for the number not waiting in line opens up a significant amount of uncertainty, not only in terms of group size but also in terms of how long it takes before they physically enter the line and no longer have to be imputed. It's also not clear to me how they would come up with this number and maintain its accuracy.

It would be uncertain if the number of guests each year was measured in the hundreds. But with 17-19 million guests going to the MK each year, the average size of each "group" would be calculated with uncanny accuracy. The rare instance of a placeholder holding the place of 10+ people would quickly and easily be diluted by the tens of millions of placeholders who are holding the place of 1-6 people. Also, since it only takes about 5 seconds per person to board a ride like Peter Pan, if a placeholder was holding the place of 10 people instead of 4, that "outlier" would only add 30 seconds to a wait that is already probably 50 minutes. It just wouldn't move the needle.

 

[Momtomouselover]

But here's what you overlook -- it only works if a very few people are doing it. If everyone followed this paradigm of holding spots, then there wouldn't be enough room for anyone to get through. I assume you can understand that because you can type; it's common sense at that level. Disney lines are designed to be single file for a reason -- they aren't designed for two-way traffic, and they aren't designed for late search and merge situations. You cannot find your family without pushing past people in front of you. I cannot be done in a Disney line.

The only reason line cutting and spot holding is possible at all is because very very few people do it. If everyone did -- if it was the norm -- then maybe Jimmy's utopian calculations would hold out. But what you can't have is the coexistence of line holders and non-line holders. There is no way as defining that as fair. So when you claim it's no big deal, it's only because you're one of the very few people who do it at all (and I know you've said you've only done it a couple of times). It's not commonplace; but the reason it's not commonplace isn't because other people are dumb or because they don't want their families to maximize their vacation time, it's because they know it's not proper behavior. People know that when there is a line, everyone is supposed to wait in it. It's common sense and it's the bedrock of civilization, that we do not, in common environments, try to take advantage of each other. We do not say to each other "I know you were here before me, but I'm going to go ahead of you for no other justification than I want to." The only people who try to skip or cut or hold spots in line are the ones who understand the rules are there and decide they don't care. And that's a factor of life, too -- there are always people who decide they don't care about rules or ethos, they only want what is best for them at that moment. It's unavoidable.

But to try and make it sound like it's okay? That I don't get. You want to say -- like one previous poster said -- I don't give a crap about any of you, I'm doing this and I dare you to stop me, that's fine. Jerky, but fine. Eventually someone will stop them. Eventually someone will not let them pass or call them embarrassing names or humiliate their family to the point the kids beg the parent to not do that again. Push it far enough and eventually someone might throw a punch. Someone always does and it'll be ugly and no one will feel attractive afterward.

But it's not okay. It's not right. it's not fair. And anyone with a moral compass knows it.

If you read what I wrote I would agree with you that "pushing" past people shouldn't be done. Saying excuse me or ducking under a winding line without causing an issue in order to rejoin a family member or catch up if separated, albeit briefly, is not line cutting in my opinion and that of others. Why don't I agree with the two group scenarios now being bantered?

Some believe people should line up together and never move.
Some believe you can line up together but get out for extreme circumstance (emergency potty but no other because "you should have thought about it beforehand")
Some believe you can line up together but if the urge strikes anyone (child, adult, etc.) to go you can go potty and return
Some believe you can line up together but if the line is long, or its hot you can step out to get water, or a popsicle or something cold for a child, or even an adult
Some believe you can step out of line to sit on a close by wall or a child on the ground, and they can then catch up after a minutes rest
Some believe you can catch up if you pause a second and park a stroller (or run back for something out of it, or to say something for two seconds to someone passing...)
Some believe you can under special circumstances let a child join the line with a friend/sibling
Some believe you can divide up as a family and catch up midline willy nilly
Some believe you can join a friend you didn't even know was in line a priori
Some believe you can just but to the front of the line because you are in a rush
Some just but to the front of the line because they are rude, kids who aren't disciplined, etc.

This just outlines some of the groups. I stated where I fall which is somewhere in the middle (around the stroller and child joining) with a strong caveat for courtesy and common sense on both sides (one joining or rejoining many vs the other way and saying "excuse me", etc.). My issue now is that you (and a couple of others) seem to be taking a harder line AND applying a moral right/wrong to this. It is where you draw the line, excuse the pun, and anyone to the outside of that is "morally" wrong. Your statement that "anyone with a moral compass knows it" is blatantly unfair and borders on name calling. This is not pointing out your view. This is why people, including me, have said relax, its really not that big of an issue or shouldn't be (except for the rare case of the large groups, blatant line cutters, etc.). People that define the line cutting issue in a more relaxed manner are not "special snowflakes" nor without a "moral compass". You know nothing about me except that I'm a little more forgiving in reasons that I think it is acceptable to step out of or catch up to someone in line.

ETA: If it helps any I often travel by myself or with one or two kids so we don't part ways much and typically just stand in line. However, sometimes I travel with extended family and yes, I have gotten out for a water and would again if needed. I have told my child they can sit on that wall over there and rejoin us when we pass if needed. I have gotten out to take someone to the bathroom (and would go myself if needed) but I do try not to do these things once we are far into a line just out of courtesy. I don't like to have my toes stepped on so will try to move if someone needs to get by. I genuinely believe that most people are not just cutting and offer them the same courtesy and understanding that I expect if I am also trying to be careful.

 

[think-like-tink]

Line holders make me angry. I am talking about the one person in line that has 10+people running around the park and expect to hope on in on my family of 4. (me, DH,DS,DD)
My kids under 10 have waited in the hot sun for 30 minutes or longer nicely. They too would rather be doing something else other than waiting in line. BUT, That's the rules of the game. Hurry up to wait.

 

[flatlandcycle]

It would be uncertain if the number of guests each year was measured in the hundreds. But with 17-19 million guests going to the MK each year, the average size of each "group" would be calculated with uncanny accuracy. The rare instance of a placeholder holding the place of 10+ people would quickly and easily be diluted by the tens of millions of placeholders who are holding the place of 1-6 people. Also, since it only takes about 5 seconds per person to board a ride like Peter Pan, if a placeholder was holding the place of 10 people instead of 4, that "outlier" would only add 30 seconds to a wait that is already probably 50 minutes. It just wouldn't move the needle.

Oh no! Unscheduled maintenance in aisle nine.

 

[think-like-tink]

I have done a bathroom break if we have 30 or minutes to wait. Certainly not 15 minutes and under. I take dd and dh takes ds. Two of us out of line and 2 stays in line. I do ask those around me. So far, we haven't received anything negative. And I have held a strangers spot for them to do the same. Team Work. Again..... if it's a 30 or minute wait.

 

[Slapshot1188]

1. Line cutting = moving ahead of others in line
2. Swapsies = you join the line and someone else leaves
3. Place keeping = you were in line but had to leave (take a little one to the bathroom) and is normally accompanied by telling the guy behind you what you are doing
4. Holdsies = Place keeping
5. Just plain catching up = Yup.. line cutting.

1 & 5 are wrong. Doesn't matter how you frame it or try to explain it away. There is no gray area. Line cutting is against the rules of WDW.

2,3,4 are not line cutting. No issue with that.

 

[Momtomouselover]

1. Line cutting = moving ahead of others in line
2. Swapsies = you join the line and someone else leaves
3. Place keeping = you were in line but had to leave (take a little one to the bathroom) and is normally accompanied by telling the guy behind you what you are doing
4. Holdsies = Place keeping
5. Just plain catching up = Yup.. line cutting.

1 & 5 are wrong. Doesn't matter how you frame it or try to explain it away. There is no gray area. Line cutting is against the rules of WDW.

2,3,4 are not line cutting. No issue with that.

I would agree that this view is mostly true. However, I would still parse #5. Ok, for example, a child walks slightly slower than the group. Or one adult gets distracted while the group entered the line. Do you let that one adult or child pass by to join their family? Ok, sure if the family had noticed the adult stopped for a sec they could have then stopped too but this isn't a perfect world so they entered the line. This scenario happens all the time. How far of a stretch is that from running across quickly to park the stroller, or "oh my forgot the bottle of water" as you dash to get it and return just *before* the family enters the building (or even right after). Ok, then how far of a stretch is that from I entered the line chatting on my phone (who knows maybe its important) and have to step out for a moment because i can't hear. Ok, now say we are approaching the line and I can't hear and I give my family the 1 second sign but they enter the line. Yep, the could have paused but is it really a big deal if they don't and now I have to pass 1-4 other people to rejoin them after I quickly get off the phone? OK, sure they could step back. I'm sure some will. I'm sure some won't. I'm in the camp that I don't really care if they do step back or they don't. I don't then sit there and think that whole family is immoral, typically, I would ask the guy behind me "are you with them?" and let him pass. That's all I'm trying to say because in the big scheme of things I don't consider this line cutting. Would I recommend you do it often, no. Do I think you are morally corrupt if you did any of the above? Certainly not (and outside of the Dis I wouldn't ever have thought of it).

 

[whiporee]

If you read what I wrote I would agree with you that "pushing" past people shouldn't be done. Saying excuse me or ducking under a winding line without causing an issue in order to rejoin a family member or catch up if separated, albeit briefly, is not line cutting in my opinion and that of others. Why don't I agree with the two group scenarios now being bantered?

Some believe people should line up together and never move.
Some believe you can line up together but get out for extreme circumstance (emergency potty but no other because "you should have thought about it beforehand")
Some believe you can line up together but if the urge strikes anyone (child, adult, etc.) to go you can go potty and return
Some believe you can line up together but if the line is long, or its hot you can step out to get water, or a popsicle or something cold for a child, or even an adult
Some believe you can step out of line to sit on a close by wall or a child on the ground, and they can then catch up after a minutes rest
Some believe you can catch up if you pause a second and park a stroller (or run back something out of it, or to say something for two seconds to someone passing...)
Some believe you can under special circumstances let a child join the line with a friend/sibling
Some believe you can divide up as a family and catch up midline willy nilly
Some believe you can join a friend you didn't even know was in line
Some believe you can just but to the front of the line because you are in a rush
Some just but to the front of the line because they are rude, kids who aren't disciplined, etc.

This just outlines some of the groups. I stated where I fall which is somewhere in the middle (around the stroller and child joining) with a strong caveat for courtesy and common sense on both sides (one joining or rejoining many vs the other way). My issue now is that you (and a couple of others) seem to be taking a harder line AND applying a moral right/wrong to this. It is where you draw the line, excuse the pun, and anyone to the outside of that is "morally" wrong. Your statement that "anyone with a moral compass knows it" is blatantly unfair and borders on name calling. This is not pointing out your view. This is why people, including me, have said relax, its really not that big of an issue or shouldn't be (except for the rare case of the large groups, blatant line cutters, etc.). People that define the line cutting issue in a more relaxed manner are not "special snowflakes" nor without a "moral compass". You know nothing about me except that I'm a little more forgiving in reasons that I think it is acceptable to step out of or catch up to someone in line.

ETA: If it helps any I often travel by myself or with one or two kids so we don't part ways much and typically just stand in line. However, sometimes I travel with extended family and yes, I have gotten out for a water and would again if needed. I have told my child they can sit on that wall over there and rejoin us when we pass if needed. I have gotten out to take someone to the bathroom (and would go myself if needed) but I do try not to do these things once we are far into a line just out of courtesy. I don't like to have my toes stepped on so will try to move if someone needs to get by. I genuinely believe that most people are not just cutting and offer them the same courtesy and understanding that I expect if I am also trying to be careful.

If you think "Your statement that "anyone with a moral compass knows it" is blatantly unfair and borders on name calling", then I assume you think saying "slants the issue to your perspective in an attempt to give you the moral high ground" is name calling, too. Just checkin' the color of the pot.

From what i've read, the last eight examples you give are the same person, someone who doesn't respect the purpose or "sanctity" of lines. That other people should have to suffer but they should not. I actually think it's a pretty short jump from "step outside to get water" to 'butt in the front of the line because you are in a rush." They both assign others duties you are not willing to persevere yourself, and both expect others to make sacrifices you are not willing to make. My guess is that the breakdown of this is that the large majority of people concede the first and second points (and the second part of the fifth), but resent the others because the rest of them are all various degrees of the same philosophy, that I want to do this and I don't care that you don't get to do the same thing. Because if everyone stepped into the shade for a few minutes, or went to get a popsicle, then the line would break down completely.

And again, the only reason any of them work is because so few people desire to take advantage of the situation.

 

[Momtomouselover]

If you think "Your statement that "anyone with a moral compass knows it" is blatantly unfair and borders on name calling", then I assume you think saying "slants the issue to your perspective in an attempt to give you the moral high ground" is name calling, too. Just checkin' the color of the pot.

From what i've read, the last eight examples you give are the same person, someone who doesn't respect the purpose or "sanctity" of lines. That other people should have to suffer but they should not. I actually think it's a pretty short jump from "step outside to get water" to 'butt in the front of the line because you are in a rush." They both assign others duties you are not willing to persevere yourself, and both expect others to make sacrifices you are not willing to make. My guess is that the breakdown of this is that the large majority of people concede the first and second points (and the second part of the fifth), but resent the others because the rest of them are all various degrees of the same philosophy, that I want to do this and I don't care that you don't get to do the same thing. Because if everyone stepped into the shade for a few minutes, or went to get a popsicle, then the line would break down completely.

And again, the only reason any of them work is because so few people desire to take advantage of the situation.

When I said this "slants the issue to your perspective in an attempt to give you the moral high ground" it was in response to the statement "There are two groups: those who think it's OK to jump a line, and those who think it's not". Which attempted to summarize 13 pages of debate as two groups with one being morally correct and one who is not (because yes "jumping a line" so to speak is not correct. I'm saying that I, and others, don't consider some of these things to be line cutting). So no, I don't see anything wrong with the pot. For the rest of your statement, I'm sorry you feel that way. I respectfully disagree.

 

[Slapshot1188]

I would agree that this view is mostly true. However, I would still parse #5. Ok, for example, a child walks slightly slower than the group. Or one adult gets distracted while the group entered the line. Do you let that one adult or child pass by to join their family? Ok, sure if the family had noticed the adult stopped for a sec they could have then stopped too but this isn't a perfect world so they entered the line. This scenario happens all the time. How far of a stretch is that from running across quickly to park the stroller, or "oh my forgot the bottle of water" as you dash to get it and return just *before* the family enters the building (or even right after). Ok, then how far of a stretch is that from I entered the line chatting on my phone (who knows maybe its important) and have to step out for a moment because i can't hear. Ok, now say we are approaching the line and I can't hear and I give my family the 1 second sign but they enter the line. Yep, the could have paused but is it really a big deal if they don't and now I have to pass 1-4 other people to rejoin them after I quickly get off the phone? OK, sure they could step back. I'm sure some will. I'm sure some won't. I'm in the camp that I don't really care if they do step back or they don't. I don't then sit there and think that whole family is immoral, typically, I would ask the guy behind me "are you with them?" and let him pass. That's all I'm trying to say because in the big scheme of things I don't consider this line cutting. Would I recommend you do it often, no. Do I think you are morally corrupt if you did any of the above? Certainly not (and outside of the Dis I wouldn't ever have thought of it).

No, you keep trying to crate these "gray" scenarios when none exist. In each and every case the friends/family who ran ahead can simply wait for the person behind. That is EXACTLY what I did in Epcot when Soarin opened with the new movie. Group got separated into 2 at the stairs down. I got to the entrance to the ride and I stepped aside and WAITED for the other 2 people. Yes if I had gone ahead, they COULD have done the same thing and explained they got cut off and CUT THE LINE to catch up, but that's simply not right. It was only 45 seconds but in that 45 second rush literally a hundred people passed. Yeah we all wanted to get into the first showing of the new movie, but the RIGHT THING to do was to wait for the last of my group to catch up.

Same thing when we had a stroller... If I or my wife went to park it, the rest didn't run to get in line ahead of folks. We/they waited for the last person and we entered as a group.

Do I stop people from line cutting? No I'm on vacation..

 

[whiporee]

I would agree that this view is mostly true. However, I would still parse #5. Ok, for example, a child walks slightly slower than the group. Or one adult gets distracted while the group entered the line. Do you let that one adult or child pass by to join their family? Ok, sure if the family had noticed the adult stopped for a sec they could have then stopped too but this isn't a perfect world so they entered the line. This scenario happens all the time. How far of a stretch is that from running across quickly to park the stroller, or "oh my forgot the bottle of water" as you dash to get it and return just *before* the family enters the building (or even right after). Ok, then how far of a stretch is that from I entered the line chatting on my phone (who knows maybe its important) and have to step out for a moment because i can't hear. Ok, now say we are approaching the line and I can't hear and I give my family the 1 second sign but they enter the line. Yep, the could have paused but is it really a big deal if they don't and now I have to pass 1-4 other people to rejoin them after I quickly get off the phone? OK, sure they could step back. I'm sure some will. I'm sure some won't. I'm in the camp that I don't really care if they do step back or they don't. I don't then sit there and think that whole family is immoral, typically, I would ask the guy behind me "are you with them?" and let him pass. That's all I'm trying to say because in the big scheme of things I don't consider this line cutting. Would I recommend you do it often, no. Do I think you are morally corrupt if you did any of the above? Certainly not (and outside of the Dis I wouldn't ever have thought of it).

Why wouldn't the adult who stepped in first step back? it's a few seconds, by your own story. Why wouldn't they simply let the very few people who had passed in front of them go ahead. The other people didn't do anything wrong -- they walked into a line behind some people and in front of others. Why should they make a sacrifice because members of someone else's party weren't paying attention?

Regardless, I don't think that is the issue. The issue isn't a matter of seconds or one or two people, it's when someone gets far along in a line and someone else then wants to join them. For any reason. Popsicles, potty breaks, slow scooters, old pals, important texts, anything. In all of those situations you're asking someone who was there first to make accommodations for people who were not. I don't think any of those reasons are justifiable. If you're making a case that someone in line be allowed to step out and come back in, I can see where opinions can vary on that. But coming in after the fact, I just don't see how it's justifiable, regardless of the reason

 

[KBinCO]

I am 100% willing to go out of line to get popsicles and water and be allowed back in the line to give it to my kids and then not ride, if that would make everyone feel better.

 

[Momtomouselover]

I'm not creating these gray scenarios I'm just saying they happen and where I stand on them. I don't consider these gray scenarios so to speak as line cutting. I must be enjoying this debate to much though for I had to break away earlier to cook and go for a run. Now, I'm avoiding cleaning the bathroom. Oh you DIS people...my husband thinks I'm crazy to keep debating. LOL

OK, I'm glad you don't stop people. I think thats where confrontation happens. If you really feel slighted get a CM and let them ask or work it out. If a CM ever asked me what I was doing and I said I went back to get a bottle of water for said kiddo (or whatever, went to the bathroom, etc.) and they didn't want me to join up I would ask if they would at least pass the water up. Goodness. I don't think they would be that bothered but CMs are people to so some might be and some won't. Some might care that I got in line and then out to get the water where others only might care if I ran back and grabbed it and then got in line. (If your really wanting to think about it, it would be less noticeable if you only passed once so getting the water from the stroller then joining your family interferes less then getting in line and then back out and then in again...but now I'm really digressing).

Off to clean the bathrooms. Tata for now...or maybe this thread will close soon. We are kinda beating the dead horse here. I enjoy debating until name calling occurs so it has been interesting/fun.