Line cutting and fast pass problems...

[Timon_n_Pumba]

Disney probably won't care...but there are a number of people in line behind you that probably will have a problem with that.

Why is that? Their wait time has not increased one nanosecond from that which they would experience had we not left the line (ahead of them) and returned a few minutes later (ahead of them).

Or would they be mad that they didn't get to wait less time?


Best Regards,

Scott in MO

 

[chrismb22]

Hey Scott, why don't you hand your child who has to potty to the person who won't let you leave the line. Bet they'd change their tune real fast

And for the record, if it's a family of say 6 and a parent/SMALL child has to leave for potty then who cares. Now there's no reason for the entire party to have to leave.

I think if people are fair about it -- and you can usually tell who's being fair and who's trying to scam someone -- it's not really a problem.

 

[Timon_n_Pumba]

Just to make it perfectly clear:

I am not talking about moving through the line to catch up to friends or family members (real or not), I am speaking of leaving a line in which I/we have waited in for a minutes or three and then returning.

If I were behind you, would you have a problem with this? Of course not! Because it doesn't affect YOU. So, if we were in line AHEAD of you, then ran to the bathroom and returned to enter the line where we were (AHEAD of you), how has that affected your wait time?

If I were in front of you and stopped to tie my shoe, would you push past me?

If my son's Mickey ears got blown off by the wind and I chased them fifty feet, getting out of line to do so, do I lose my place?

Some ridiculous examples, I know, but actually less of an urgency than a toddler who needs to use a restroom.

Best Regards,

Scott in MO

 

[Disney Von Drake]

I am not talking about moving through the line to catch up to friends or family members (real or not), I am speaking of leaving a line in which I/we have waited in for a minutes or three and then returning.

If I were behind you, would you have a problem with this? Of course not! Because it doesn't affect YOU.

Yeah, I need to go to the nearby DSA and catch a quick smoke. It won't take me more than 5 minutes. Hold my spot in line for me, OK?

 

[Safari Queen]

We were not pleased AT ALL to find out we had to pay so much money for a single shot "express pass" on certain rides at Universal. We paid it only because we visit US/IA only about once every five years and we were really only there for the new rides that were the busiest ones. I certainly hope Disney doesn't go to this elitist system. As for the special priviliges for US/IA hotel guests, that will disappear if and when US/IA has enough hotel guests to clog the system (maybe when the Harry Potter area opens.) I know I have to get to a park early to get into the most popular attractions without a long wait. I'm okay with that, since we usually hop to other parks only for dinner or evening shows.

 

[Hannathy]

Wow, read your post back to yourself out loud. You sound like you have earned some great entitlement because you have children.

You are missing the point completely. If you bend the rules for potty breaks then you bend the rules for everyone....there is no way to enforce it partially. So cut down on the drinks and hit the restrooms in between rides.

I agree! Plain and simple if you get out of the line you don't get back in. And yes I've taken 3 little children to Disney actually and all knew the rule go before or hold it. Kids aren't dumb if they know how it works they will. Go before the line or if you have to leave the line you don't ride. Worked for us and never had an accident and never had to leave a line. How is waiting in the line any different than being on a plane and not being able to get up and go to the bathroom cause the seat belt sign is on? I once circles O'hare with a toddler who had to go for 40 minutes, or being in a car in between exits? you have to wait sometimes. No one is entitled to get out of line and return without consequences.

 

[HockeyChick]

Blatant cutting is absolutely a rotten thing to do, no doubt.

I personally would never try to regain my spot in line after leaving for any reason because a) I have no kids who would need to use the restroom and b) I'm so uninterested in conflict I'd rather not even attempt it.

As far as letting a couple people past me to rejoin their party after getting FPs or taking a kid to the restroom, sorry, I will. It's just a little service I like to do for my felow man. Maybe I'm overly nice, oh well. I can live with that. I can't live with the other option.

I've been, to Disney and other places, when the crowds were almost unbearable and my trip was nearly un-enjoyable. But seriously, if I find myself getting bent out of shape over a few people (and I am willing to bet very few folks have seen more than a few people try to cut or rejoin their party in any one line) cutting or rejoining their group, I think it's time to return to my resort for a nice cool off in the pool or perhaps a nap. Your vacation is supposed to be fun, not an exercise in anger management.


BTW, does this same logic hold for parades? Are you saying I can't save my husband a spot to watch the parade while he goes to get us drinks?

 

[PuckHeadBill]

It's not the issue of asking people to fill in the spaces...it's the word choice of "push past" that concerned me. This whole massing and surging can be more than a little frightening and quite frankly, I don't want to get hip to hip and pelvis to butt with sweaty strangers. I value my personal space and get ticked that I'm being herded like cattle into a tiny stall.

What you call "personal space", Disney calls "room for 6 more people"

 

[MonoManBlue]

Just to let the people on the first page know..........I once waited 3 HOURS, yes 3 HOURS for the very front of Cedar Points 'Top Thrill Dragster'............thats a 14 second ride.

 

[BriarRosie]

ITA about the whole europe thing. We were in Italy years ago waiting in line for a bathroom (all the americans where waiting in line)and ALL the europeans kept coming up and standing right in front of the stall and just totally cut! after seeing tons of people doing that, one tends to
"copy" what you see.
So there you go one person sees someone else do it and thinks it must be ok~

Ok, I've gotta say it. "When in Rome...do as the Romans do."

I think others were missing my point. I'm not saying that if someone from
another country pushes their way ahead of you, that it's ok. We all know
it's not. But to the person from the other country, it IS standard procedure
to them. THAT is the point I was trying to make. I'm sure there are things
we Americans do that is considered rude in other countries, but until we
are told otherwise, we wouldn't know any better.

I tend to get annoyed more with guests who are their own worst enemy,
complaining about everything, including stuff WDW has no control over, like
the weather.

 

[darlak]

Hypothetical:

The standby line for _________ is 45 minutes, and my family arrives in line just ahead of yours. We all wait together, inching forward, for around half an hour. Suddenly, my youngest DS (whom we asked before getting on line if he had to go, but who also has the typical bladder of a toddler, and we have been waiting half an hour) has to go to the restroom. DW or myself take him, ducking under the rope, and return immediately thereafter.

We have been waiting just as long as your family has, but are you honestly saying that you think because we took a child to the bathroom after waiting for 1/2 hour that we should now go to the end of the line?

Just curious, not trying to be inflammatory, really.

Best Regards,

Scott in MO

I'm not who you were asking, but yes, that's what I think you should do. It's exactly what I did with all 4 of my children and I also had a DS that went to the restroom often, during the time he was a toddler and well after. I didn't think it was fair to expect the rest of society to make special accommodations for me just because I chose to have children.

 

[BriarRosie]

Wow, read your post back to yourself out loud. You sound like you have earned some great entitlement because you have children.

You are missing the point completely. If you bend the rules for potty breaks then you bend the rules for everyone....there is no way to enforce it partially. So cut down on the drinks and hit the restrooms in between rides.

Actually, Scott was throwing your own words back in your face. I didn't
agree with your original statement about parents thinking the rules didn't
apply to them, in relation to what Scott wrote.

I don't have kids. Yet I think a family who entered the line ahead of me,
waited in line for a while and had a bathroom emergency shouldn't be
penalized for it. The queue would have had the same wait had they been
able to stay in line ahead of the rest of us in line. I'm not being displaced
when the parent and child returns. I completely understood Scott's logic.
The line shrunk by two people already ahead of me, then restored its original
balance upon their return.

Yes, I'm wacky. I don't feel that just because I'm childless, I shouldn't have
sympathy for the situations parents find themselves in.

 

[EMom]

The only exception I can see that some many of you are gritching about is something that is not even line CUTTING. If a child has to go to the bathroom and a parent has to take that child and leave for a few minutes, how tightly are you wound that you would refuse that child the chance to get back in line? Before you chant, "Make them go before they get in line," or "Tell them to hold it," here's a point you don't seem to be aware of. For some kids, that's just not a real possibility, medically speaking. When they have to go, they have to go. It's not a matter of training either.

If they were ALREADY in line, you lose NOTHING when they come back to the line in a few minutes. You haven't been pushed back in line and you're still the exact number of places behind the parent and child that you were before they went to the bathroom. Even if the kid went to the potty before they got in line, a kid with certain conditions can need to go again if he/she has been in line for 45 minutes. Have a bit of compassion.

I'm not one of those who think the world should bow down to people with children, or that a special set of rules apply to them. But common courtesy does not go out the window at WDW, does it? If you're on a bus and a pregnant woman or elderly person has to stand, an able-bodied person should offer them their seat. Common courtesy. If you realize there's a small child behind you who cannot see the parade, but will be able to if you just shift over a few inches, you move so that you can BOTH see the parade even though you had that spot staked out for an hour. Common courtesy. If a child has to leave the line for a few minutes to go to the bathroom and is only asking to get back into their same spot, which causes you zero disadvantage, I believe common courtesy should require you give that child a break.....and maybe even a little pixie dust....and just let him/her have THEIR place back.

I despise line cutters as much as the next person, but I would be ashamed of myself if I told a child that I wouldn't let them back in line because they had left to go potty. Line cutting is certainly rude, but THAT is far worse, IMHO.

 

[Padric]

You're missing the point.

We both got into line at the same time, my family in front of yours. The wait time when we entered the line was X minutes. How does my child and me leaving the line to go to the bathroom and then returning increase your wait?

And you're missing his point as well. He's talking about looking at a line and estimating the wait time based on the number of people he sees only to discover that the wait is longer due to people who left for whatever reason before he joined the line now returning.

And as for you and your toddler not increasing anyone's wait time: Perhaps not. It's you and the twenty other people with their toddlers that will.

As a father of five who knows all too well about the potty emergencies I can honestly say that when those occur we all do exit the line and start at the back again. It's just part of taking kids places.

 

[darlak]

The only exception I can see that some many of you are gritching about is something that is not even line CUTTING. If a child has to go to the bathroom and a parent has to take that child and leave for a few minutes, how tightly are you wound that you would refuse that child the chance to get back in line? Before you chant, "Make them go before they get in line," or "Tell them to hold it," here's a point you don't seem to be aware of. For some kids, that's just not a real possibility, medically speaking. When they have to go, they have to go. It's not a matter of training either.

If they were ALREADY in line, you lose NOTHING when they come back to the line in a few minutes. You haven't been pushed back in line and you're still the exact number of places behind the parent and child that you were before they went to the bathroom. Even if the kid went to the potty before they got in line, a kid with certain conditions can need to go again if he/she has been in line for 45 minutes. Have a bit of compassion.

I'm not one of those who think the world should bow down to people with children, or that a special set of rules apply to them. But common courtesy does not go out the window at WDW, does it? If you're on a bus and a pregnant woman or elderly person has to stand, an able-bodied person should offer them their seat. Common courtesy. If you realize there's a small child behind you who cannot see the parade, but will be able to if you just shift over a few inches, you move so that you can BOTH see the parade even though you had that spot staked out for an hour. Common courtesy. If a child has to leave the line for a few minutes to go to the bathroom and is only asking to get back into their same spot, which causes you zero disadvantage, I believe common courtesy should require you give that child a break.....and maybe even a little pixie dust....and just let him/her have THEIR place back.

I despise line cutters as much as the next person, but I would be ashamed of myself if I told a child that I wouldn't let them back in line because they had left to go potty. Line cutting is certainly rude, but THAT is far worse, IMHO.

1.) If it isn't medically possible for them to "hold it", they probably won't be in the regular line to begin with.
2.) I've already said that I do let them back in line, and I usually do it with a smile. However, I still think those parents are teaching their children that the rules don't apply to them.
3.) I and my entire family always give up our seats on the bus to anyone older than us, infirmed in any way, or holding a small child. My DH and DS give their seat up if ANY woman is left standing.
4.) I put in my time at parades and thankfully don't have to anymore. When I did, I always allowed children to come in front of me and sit or stand next to my own children.

The issue here isn't the courtesy level of others, but the lack thereof of the parents who are breaking line. I didn't do it with my 4 because I understood that it was rude and it taught a very poor lesson to my children. I could almost have some respect for those parents if they weren't trying to justify their bad manners. If you insist on breaking line and teaching your children to do the same, at least admit that it is exactly what you are doing. I'm certainly not perfect and I am sometimes guilty of bad manners or worse, but I try to accept responsibility for my actions.

 

[EMom]

I suppose that is the difference. I simply do not consider it line cutting to temporarily leave the line to take your child to the potty and then return to the line. I won't "admit" I'm teaching my child to cut in line, because I do not believe this is cutting in line. If you do not respect my stance, I am fine with that, because I do not respect yours on this issue. I just don't equate a child rejoining a line after having a wee with teens trying to join ficticious family/friends in a line they were never in to begin with. They are night and day to me. I'm not trying to rationalize anything, and in fact, have never had to exit a line to take DD to the bathroom. I truly do not see how this can be considered line "cutting." You do, I don't.

 

[darlak]

Fair enough EMom. I respect the way you disagreed with me. We'll just agree to disagree. If we all saw things exactly the same way here on the Dis, what would we find to talk about?

 

[EMom]

I agree with that. Fair enough indeed.

I just wanted you to understand that I was not trying to teach my child to cheat, because I truly do not believe this is wrong....and furthermore would always let a child back in line in front of us. I had a relative who had problems with this issue and I take it very seriously. I would never want a child to have an accident because they feel subtle pressure not to leave a line lest they make the family lose their place. Even if the family doesn't pressure them, they may try to wait longer than they should, because they don't want to inconvenience the rest of the family. So I am not trying to break rules, because I would not see this as breaking rules...it's not a case of, "I am above the rules." Glad you get that. We can just agree to disagree. I do it all the time.

Fair enough EMom. I respect the way you disagreed with me. We'll just agree to disagree. If we all saw things exactly the same way here on the Dis, what would we find to talk about?

 

[darlak]

I agree with that. Fair enough indeed.

I just wanted you to understand that I was not trying to teach my child to cheat, because I truly do not believe this is wrong....and furthermore would always let a child back in line in front of us. I had a relative who had problems with this issue and I take it very seriously. I would never want a child to have an accident because they feel subtle pressure not to leave a line lest they make the family lose their place. Even if the family doesn't pressure them, they may try to wait longer than they should, because they don't want to inconvenience the rest of the family. So I am not trying to break rules, because I would not see this as breaking rules...it's not a case of, "I am above the rules." Glad you get that. We can just agree to disagree. I do it all the time.

Just for clarity, I don't think that I do "get that". As you said in your earlier post, we don't respect each other's stances. However, I do respect your right to disgaree with me and the manner in which you did so. It's obvious that neither of us is going to change the other's mind on this topic. That's where the agreement to disagree comes in.

 

[Metro West]

We were not pleased AT ALL to find out we had to pay so much money for a single shot "express pass" on certain rides at Universal. We paid it only because we visit US/IA only about once every five years and we were really only there for the new rides that were the busiest ones. I certainly hope Disney doesn't go to this elitist system. As for the special priviliges for US/IA hotel guests, that will disappear if and when US/IA has enough hotel guests to clog the system (maybe when the Harry Potter area opens.) I know I have to get to a park early to get into the most popular attractions without a long wait. I'm okay with that, since we usually hop to other parks only for dinner or evening shows.

So why do you think paying for something is elitist? The same could be said about the people who stay onsite at Disney. Not everyone can afford to pay the rates to stay at Disney so would that be elitist as well? And why do you think Universal will get rid of the FOTL access for onsite guests? I don't see Universal getting rid of FOTL any more than I see Disney getting rid of EMH for onsite guests.