line cheaters at Princess Fairytale hall

[SabbyR]

Then why can't the Dh just wait and help tend with the emergency or simply wait for his group. Everyone is talking about the kids that "can't" wait in line and why not have them wait somewhere more fun, easier for them (or the parent) etc etc etc what about the hundreds of kids on the line who are waiting the best they can. Why is their feelings or whatever less important than the kids whose parents decide they shouldn't have to wait on line. Try explaining to a five year old why they have to wait in line but a dozen or so kids can just jump ahead. They would call it cutting and wonder why its allowed. If everyone sent a parent into the line and then had their group meet them, there would be ciaos. Its goes back to why have lines at all. Everyone just push ahead until you get where you want to go. Who cares about about rules or social contracts. Its dog eat dog.

Its fantastic that those kids are waiting as best they can. But kids that have to pee have to pee. Do I think concessions should be made for everyone for any little thing? No but for somethings yes. Everything has exceptions. Everything! And the people who decide they are "hall monitors" and causing a big fuss are more disruptive than a girl going up to meet with her dad. Its the people yelling passive/aggressive things, the line Bullys, that ruin it for me. When did two wrongs make a right? When did it become ok to be judge, jury and executioner?

 

[Gracie09]

Its fantastic that those kids are waiting as best they can. But kids that have to pee have to pee. Do I think concessions should be made for everyone for any little thing? No but for somethings yes. Everything has exceptions. Everything! And the people who decide they are "hall monitors" and causing a big fuss are more disruptive than a girl going up to meet with her dad. Its the people yelling passive/aggressive things, the line Bullys, that ruin it for me. When did two wrongs make a right? When did it become ok to be judge, jury and executioner?

But its not the one girl meeting her dad. Its the girl and the next family with grandma and a little boy and another family with 3 kids that had to pee before getting on line and the grandparent who is slower than the rest so is catching up and the etc etc. the kid who has to pee is a small part of it. Those people are the Bullies. The people who think they are more valuable than you. So they can impose their own order with them at the front. I don't understand why standing in line is a difficult concept, but apparently it is. Perhaps people need to visit a kindergarten classroom because they are very good at it.

 

[nugov2]

To be fair, the OP of the thread described the mother and children "pushing" their way through the line, so that is part of the main topic in this thread.

Missed that part, if that was the case...it is wrong to push/shove your way through. I still think it is a small fraction of people who are rejoining a line who do that.

Then why can't the Dh just wait and help tend with the emergency or simply wait for his group. Everyone is talking about the kids that "can't" wait in line and why not have them wait somewhere more fun, easier for them (or the parent) etc etc etc what about the hundreds of kids on the line who are waiting the best they can. Why is their feelings or whatever less important than the kids whose parents decide they shouldn't have to wait on line. Try explaining to a five year old why they have to wait in line but a dozen or so kids can just jump ahead. They would call it cutting and wonder why its allowed. If everyone sent a parent into the line and then had their group meet them, there would be ciaos. Its goes back to why have lines at all. Everyone just push ahead until you get where you want to go. Who cares about about rules or social contracts. Its dog eat dog.

Emergency doesn't mean they went in their pants, just they cannot wait. I care about the other kids too. If they want to get out of line I say do it! What about the kids goofing around and complaining in line and causing a commotion. Are those parents selfish for making them stand in line at the expense of the others around them. I'd rather those people got out of line and rejoined later for my happiness to be honest. We all know at WDW parents are notorious for forcing situations(ie 10 hour line to meet A&E). I'd rather those parents who feel it is that important to meet a character do allow their child to leave the line.

I doubt it is on any 5 yr olds radar why a person my casually be walking by. I know my kids never asked when we saw it and if they did, I would say they must have had to go to the bathroom and not cutting b/c they are actually rejoining their family that is already waiting in front. I'd explain that cutting is just walking into a line that you don't have someone already in line waiting for you and assume that'd be case closed. Anymore to it than that and I'd be worried that my child was becoming a budinski and tell them not to worry what other people are doing so much. If my 5 yr old started whining and complaining that it was unfair I'd question why he cares so much about something that matters so little. So out of curiousity if your child has to go to the bathroom while you are in line to order CS do you find it acceptable to take the child to the bathroom and have dh order for you all? Or go get in line while you guys run to the bathroom and then walk up to him and say you know what I'll take a rootbeer in addition to what else I wanted. That is the same thing. Now someone has to wait longer while the employee fills that extra root beer.

I'd take the the world is in a state of anarchy drama down a notch. It really isn't all that bad. I find compassion on both sides would in the end yield better results for all involved

 

[SabbyR]

But its not the one girl meeting her dad. Its the girl and the next family with grandma and a little boy and another family with 3 kids that had to pee before getting on line and the grandparent who is slower than the rest so is catching up and the etc etc. the kid who has to pee is a small part of it. Those people are the Bullies. The people who think they are more valuable than you. So they can impose their own order with them at the front. I don't understand why standing in line is a difficult concept, but apparently it is. Perhaps people need to visit a kindergarten classroom because they are very good at it.

IMO those people are at most rude. The bullies are the ones shouting out rude things to benefit the audience that surrounds them. Passive aggressiveness has never solved anything.

 

[nugov2]

But its not the one girl meeting her dad. Its the girl and the next family with grandma and a little boy and another family with 3 kids that had to pee before getting on line and the grandparent who is slower than the rest so is catching up and the etc etc. the kid who has to pee is a small part of it. Those people are the Bullies. The people who think they are more valuable than you. So they can impose their own order with them at the front. I don't understand why standing in line is a difficult concept, but apparently it is. Perhaps people need to visit a kindergarten classroom because they are very good at it.

 

[cakebaker]

Perhaps people need to visit a kindergarten classroom because they are very good at it.

Actually, I think people need to quit acting like they're in kindergarten.

 

[larryz]

Actually, I think people need to quit acting like they failed kindergarten.

FIFY

 

[IBLarsen]

I have to say I think talking about children and character Meet and Greets makes this really a non issue. I can completely understand and feel the same way for ride attractions, where the number of people really does make a difference to how long the perceived line truly is. I think we can relax a bit about characters, as I see these as primarily for children first off. Also, If dad is in line to see a princess, it will not hold up one single person in that line to have little daughter join him last minute to go see the said princess. It's not like Dad and daughter are now taking up 2 seats rather than 1 to anything. The dad escorts his daughter in, and waits to the side for her to finish. He's not actually standing in line to meet the princess himself, so he gives his turn to his daughter. Who cares. It's not taking any more time. For the people in line, you already count dad as one person in line (so that timing is accounted for). I think we are losing perspective, and need to remember that we are talking about children and Disney World, cut the kids a bit of slack.

 

[JanaDee]

FIFY

Thanks for catching that before it was edited.

 

[DisneyBabies]

I thought CMs were telling guests at PFH now, particularly the Frozen meet, that parties all had to enter the line together and there would be no holding spots ?

They were when DH and I were there in October.

And RopeDrop was total madness that day! DH and I actually got there early enough to be literally at the rope and by the time we got to PFH, we had been shoved to the middle of the pack. And it was the families with kids doing the shoving! That one morning alone, we saw 6 parents being held at the PFH entrance to wait for the rest of their families who hadn't arrived yet.

I'm on the fence with this issue. I don't have a problem with a parent having to take a small child out of line to go potty right quick, but any one over 4 or 5 years old needs to re-enter the back of the line, not push forward to meet the rest of their party. We have only used the potty excuse twice (once with DS and once with DD when they were 5) but like we told them already, that won't be happening on our trip this September. You go before you get in line or you hold it until the end.

As for having one parent rush to get in line and letting the rest of the family either go off and do something else during the wait or leisurely make their way to the line to meet parent #1, nope, not acceptable and our kids know it. If you want to do it, we all do it together, including waiting in lines.

Unfortunately, it's an all or nothing issue. Either no one cuts or everyone is allowed to for any reason. If you try to do it on a case by case basis, then you drag personal feelings into it and it can never truly be objective.

 

[Jlwd]

My father has a Breathing disorder and can't walk as fast as us. We were there two weeks ago and sometimes approached the line before him. We had him meet us wherever we were online and had no problem doing that. It's laughable that people get upset about this or little kids having to go to the bathroom and
Then meeting their party on the line. Pretty sad.

 

[DisneyBabies]

This is one of the most, for lack of a better word, "Divisive" subjects when visiting WDW.......IMHO! Prior to my Sept 2014 visit I sat clearly on the "That's cutting..." side of the fence. However, while waiting in line to visit the with 7 Dwarves" at MNSSHP...........my mind was changed. We met a dad (family with 3 little ones) in front of us........and a grand-dad (with gran ma, son/daugher and 2 little ones) behind us in that line..........which began at 5:30pm for a 7:00pm M&G start. Both were some of the nicest folks we met during our trip. All they were doing was holding a spot for children who just didn't (and really couldn't) have the attention span to stand (in the rain.......) to meet and have their pictures taken with the 7 dwarves! Holding these spots made no describable dent in the overall time we had to wait........1 family......1 group of photos! I think in most cases this is what you'll find...........and when its children does it really matter...........to some maybe.........to me not at all. We were in the front of the line............now if you're in the back and 1/2 the line does this...............is there a time impact? Excellent question for which I have no answer.

However, if 1 person is holding for a large group of folks with intentions of multiple sets of photos.............that could become an issue..............See why I said this is Divisive? It's all a point of view..........what is a bit disturbing is that I believe Disney has a rule against this, at any level............and it doesn't seem to be enforced uniformly............but then again how could it?

Doug

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 7 dwarves line at MNSSHP a totally different line animal so to speak. I had heard that families waiting in that line encouraged each other to just leave one person waiting in the hour and a half line and let others in their parties go visiting somewhere else for an hour or so and that CM's were fine with it as well.

 

[smitch425]

My father has a Breathing disorder and can't walk as fast as us. We were there two weeks ago and sometimes approached the line before him. We had him meet us wherever we were online and had no problem doing that. It's laughable that people get upset about this or little kids having to go to the bathroom and
Then meeting their party on the line. Pretty sad.

Everyone has their opinions. For instance, I find it sad that you would leave your father behind and not walk at his pace and enjoy his company so you could join the line together. Different stokes for different folks. If everyone thought the same, the world would be boring.

 

[Rebekkap]

Well there are no written rules against jumping on mickeys back for a piggy back ride or swimming in the fountains of Epcot but doing so would not be a good idea.

Why is it rude if someone is pushing past you to simply say I'm sorry but no you can't push past me. We and the rest of the people have been waiting on line. The lines as designed to make pushing ahead difficult. Many times you are told at the entrance to have your whole group together before entering.
The whole kid having to use the bathroom is an extreme just like the 30 members of a tour group pushing to the front but why is it ok for a family of four or five to push ahead. Why is their time more valuable than everyone else's? The Anna and else is Norway was an extreme situation. But it is no longer 6 hour waits. There are fp available. If your family decides to wait several hours to meet a character that is your choice. There are consequences of choices.

I'm not sure why you took me asking a simple and polite question (I like to make sure I follow the rules, so I wanted to know where it was written) as an attack and felt the need to rant at me.

 

[Nata]

I think that it is simply good manners to walk to the start of the line together with your family and join the line together. If someone needs a bathroom break, can't walk fast etc., everyone can wait for that person to catch up before entering the line. It is not good manners to send someone ahead to get a place in line for the whole party (it is slightly disrespectful to other people in line and also to the people in your party who can not keep up). So I personally would not do that, but I am not going to be etiquette police either, nor do I expect Disney to have rules about that.

 

[k9muttlover]

It maybe has been said before, I'll admit I didn't read this entire thread, but it is VERY easy to lose your family at rope drop. I was with my family (of 4) at rope drop in December and a huge family was bowling past people with their arms interlocked and 2 of us were split from the pack. As others have said, it depends on the number of people. I don't personally mind a whole lot if a few people need to cut the line to join their family, I don't sweat it too much.

 

[JoshuaShaw]

Everyone has their opinions. For instance, I find it sad that you would leave your father behind and not walk at his pace and enjoy his company so you could join the line together. Different stokes for different folks. If everyone thought the same, the world would be boring.

I used my SNL .gif too early.

 

[smitch425]

I used my SNL .gif too early.

Lol! You are so funny! Thanks for the laugh!

 

[JoshuaShaw]

Lol! You are so funny! Thanks for the laugh!

 

[ttstroker]

i feel that everyone should enter the line together as a single group. I, and most parents, can sprint ahead of everyone with a kid in tow to get to the front of every line and tell others in my party to "catch up" once i reserved a spot well ahead in the line/queue. Even with the fast pass line, they don't let the 3pm party join the 2pm party at 2:15 simply because they're "all together".

If someone steps out of line for whatever reason, I don't see any reason for the family member still in line can't hold that place in line (spatially not who they're behind/in front of) to simply let others pass him/her until the remainder of their party returns to that spot (and they can continue moving throughout the line in their new place). Obviously, really tight space for queues would be a big issue for people trying to get by, but they can find a corner that has a little bit more breathing room and wait there. For lines with stand-by and fast pass queues, wouldn't this be what that family would do anyway if their party hadn't returned. For any ride or picture attraction, isn't this what he/she would do (wait for his/her party to return before going in)? I doubt that parent would ride Test Track, Soarin, 7 Dwarves Mine Train, take pictures w/ Anna/Elsa all by himself/herself if he/she had little ones "on their way". Why does it make sense to stop wait when you're all the way at the front of the line and not when you're in the middle of the line?