Liberty University in Lynchburg, VA ?

[Cindy B]

Within Judaism Pharasees are good guys and were the founders of Rabbinical Judaism... It's a shame the name has become synonomous with "bad"

If you knew the text of what I was speaking-- The Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in adultery before Jesus.

The Pharisees pushed Jesus by asking him What they should do about this sinner. (the woman). Jesus sat for a long time and then said to the Pharisees, the line about he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Who was more evil? The woman or the overzealous Pharisees?

In a world history perspective, the Pharisees were more zealous than the Saducees or the Essenes. The Pharisees were very pious and kept to all the Jewish laws.

However, if you think of that expression "pot calling the kettle black" it would definetely describe the Pharisees of that time. Were the Pharisees wrong? Perhaps.
Did the Pharisees ever sin? I'm sure they did.

The hypocrisy of the religious leaders is what truly turned me off religion.

 

[PlainJane]

I remember when Victoria's Secret was opening in the Lynchburg Mall there was a lot of chatter that the students would not be allowed in the store, that Falwell himself was trying to keep it out of town, and that the store would be watched for girls buying underwear there.

They charge for the weekend visitation for high school students. Falwell was always about making money, imo.

I went to CFAW (college for a weekend), and I know from staying in the girls dorms that they definitely shop at Victoria's Secret, even the RAs.

As for them charging students to go, it's not a huge amount of money from what I remember, and there are often ways around paying. If you go with another student, the second student is free, essentially cutting the price in half. The cost also covers food, a concert by a Christian Artist, and other activities that vary depending on the time of year.

 

[enyaj40]

If you knew the text of what I was speaking-- The Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in adultery before Jesus.

The Pharisees pushed Jesus by asking him What they should do about this sinner. (the woman). Jesus sat for a long time and then said to the Pharisees, the line about he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Who was more evil? The woman or the overzealous Pharisees?

In a world history perspective, the Pharisees were more zealous than the Saducees or the Essenes. The Pharisees were very pious and kept to all the Jewish laws.

However, if you think of that expression "pot calling the kettle black" it would definetely describe the Pharisees of that time. Were the Pharisees wrong? Perhaps.
Did the Pharisees ever sin? I'm sure they did.

The hypocrisy of the religious leaders is what truly turned me off religion.

veering totally ot here, but would like to add:

and if they did indeed catch her in the act of adultery, why did they not bring the man to be stoned, as well? he was just as 'guilty' as the woman

in this instance, the pharisees chose to ignore a part of the rabbinical law they so highly touted

 

[jodifla]

This may be an interesting tool- it came up when I googled Liberty University. Apparently college students themselves rate their schools


http://www.studentsreview.com/VA/Liberty_University.html

Almost as many negative comments as positive ones, and 40 percent of folks wouldn't go there again!

 

[kt_mom]

If you knew the text of what I was speaking-- The Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in adultery before Jesus.

The Pharisees pushed Jesus by asking him What they should do about this sinner. (the woman). Jesus sat for a long time and then said to the Pharisees, the line about he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Who was more evil? The woman or the overzealous Pharisees?

In a world history perspective, the Pharisees were more zealous than the Saducees or the Essenes. The Pharisees were very pious and kept to all the Jewish laws.

However, if you think of that expression "pot calling the kettle black" it would definetely describe the Pharisees of that time. Were the Pharisees wrong? Perhaps.
Did the Pharisees ever sin? I'm sure they did.

The hypocrisy of the religious leaders is what truly turned me off religion.

I didn't post about the Pharisee thing. I knew what you were referencing. And I disagree that it applies to this situation. The students at LU CHOSE to go there. Apparently they are okay with the rules. I would guess that a large majority of them are okay not seeing the R rated movies anyway because of their beliefs. It is a Christian school. And the ones that aren't, chances are they are going to see them anyway. They are making that decision for themself and are ready to deal with it if they get caught.

As for the guard shack, I was never questioned when leaving just before convocation, its not called Chapel anymore and hasn't been for a long time. Most off campus students did leave before it.

I never heard anything about Dr. Falwell trying to stop Victoria Secret from coming to the mall. He did try to stop Cattle Annie's from opening, but so did alot of the churches in the area.

Like I said, I have friends that have gone on to be very succesful with their degrees from Liberty. It is a Christian school and if you don't like that, then don't go. I don't think a majority of people think that Christians are weird or whatever was said about that. Most of the kids up there are good, kind hardworking kids that give a lot back to our community.

 

[LukenDC]

He did try to stop Cattle Annie's from opening, but so did alot of the churches in the area.

What is Cattle Annie's??

 

[kt_mom]

Its a nightclub type of thing. It was origonally mostly country music, but now they have DJ's and bands on Friday nights. But alot of the churches fought it for different reasons. The church I attended at the time fought against it, but I think they were against it becuase it would have been right down the street from our church. They ended up building in a different location that is not as close to residential areas. I saw Puddle of Mudd there a couple of months ago. Which was cool because you could right up in front of the stage.

 

[ckay87]

Well....I like Lynchburg a lot.

 

[JennyMominRI]

If you knew the text of what I was speaking-- The Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in adultery before Jesus.

The Pharisees pushed Jesus by asking him What they should do about this sinner. (the woman). Jesus sat for a long time and then said to the Pharisees, the line about he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Who was more evil? The woman or the overzealous Pharisees?

In a world history perspective, the Pharisees were more zealous than the Saducees or the Essenes. The Pharisees were very pious and kept to all the Jewish laws.

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I was raised Christian.. I know the text..I have absolutely no reason at all to believe any of the NT is accurate, including the discription of the Pharasees..It's just another story too me.

 

[JennyMominRI]

veering totally ot here, but would like to add:

and if they did indeed catch her in the act of adultery, why did they not bring the man to be stoned, as well? he was just as 'guilty' as the woman

in this instance, the pharisees chose to ignore a part of the rabbinical law they so highly touted

Why would they bring her to the Pharasees anyway? She woul have gone before a Beit Din..To be eligable for the death penalty 2 people would have had to witness her act and she would have to have been warned that that specific act was punishable by the death penalty... I love the paining of Jews going around randomly stoning people..The reality is that any Jewish court that executed more than one person in 70 years was considered to be a bloody court...IT's just one more reason I believe the story is just that, a story.
Sorry to go so OT

 

[katerkat]

They charge for the weekend visitation for high school students. Falwell was always about making money, imo.

My college charged for Prospective Student Weekend. Don't most?

 

[jenfur]

Almost as many negative comments as positive ones, and 40 percent of folks wouldn't go there again!

Having been around many college age kids, I wouldn' necessarily base my opinion on internet comments. They tend to be easily offended and then vent it all out on the internet. I don't always believe 18+ equals mature adults. My DB is 25 and I really don't consider him one yet.

 

[jenfur]

I'm sorry, but a degree from Liberty is not just as good as a degree from anywhere else. You may love the education that you are receiving there. You may be receiving an excellent education there, but that does not make your Liberty degree as good as degrees from any other institution. Your degree is as good as a degree from another institution with a similar academic reputation.

As far as the credentials of the faculty are concerned, I'm sure there are many highly intelligent individuals teaching on campus. But any institution that does not value academic freedom and censors what subjects faculty may research and publish on is not going to draw the best faculty available. It will also draw a fair amount of skepticism from the rest of the academy.

As for religious discrimination, Liberty does its own fair amount of discriminating on the basis of religion and other criteria when it comes to hiring its faculty and staff. It's rather disingenuous to cry foul when the discrimination is pointed back at the institution and its supporters.

I still disagree. If I can get the job I want with my degree, then it is just as good as any other degree. If I know just as much about psychology as someone who graduated elsewhere, my degree is just as good. I know when I get my Master's degree, I can take the LPC exam, the same one that a person from VaTech or UVA does. There may be a few professions where the place you graduated plays an important part in what kind of job or prestige you may have, but thats not where most people live. Some people just need a certain school's name on their degree for their ego.

 

[ZPT1022]

Almost as many negative comments as positive ones, and 40 percent of folks wouldn't go there again!

I got the impression that a lot of the people who liked it were people who did the distance learning as an adult. I just found it interesting, and it could be a good tool for evaluating other schools as well. I hope something like that is still around when my kids are heading off to college

 

[jrmasm]

I still disagree. If I can get the job I want with my degree, then it is just as good as any other degree. If I know just as much about psychology as someone who graduated elsewhere, my degree is just as good. I know when I get my Master's degree, I can take the LPC exam, the same one that a person from VaTech or UVA does. There may be a few professions where the place you graduated plays an important part in what kind of job or prestige you may have, but thats not where most people live. Some people just need a certain school's name on their degree for their ego.[/QUOTE]

My friend that has worked in HR for 20 years would disagree.

 

[grlpwrd]

I'm sorry, but a degree from Liberty is not just as good as a degree from anywhere else. You may love the education that you are receiving there. You may be receiving an excellent education there, but that does not make your Liberty degree as good as degrees from any other institution. Your degree is as good as a degree from another institution with a similar academic reputation.

As far as the credentials of the faculty are concerned, I'm sure there are many highly intelligent individuals teaching on campus. But any institution that does not value academic freedom and censors what subjects faculty may research and publish on is not going to draw the best faculty available. It will also draw a fair amount of skepticism from the rest of the academy.

As for religious discrimination, Liberty does its own fair amount of discriminating on the basis of religion and other criteria when it comes to hiring its faculty and staff. It's rather disingenuous to cry foul when the discrimination is pointed back at the institution and its supporters.

These are reasons I dissuaded my dd for going there.

She had a college fair at her high school and signed up to get info. They were not open about their "restrictions." In fact, we still get their literature in the mail and it is very, very misleading.

I attended a Jesuit university in Seattle for some time and I am all for a parochial university experience. LU is just a little over the top, I think.

 

[RealMickeysGirl]

I think what most people are not realizing is that it is the kids who have to live with the rules and the parents who sometimes pick the school. Kids are going to break the rules - especially if their parents picked their school and they would have rather gone somewhere else.

I took some classes at a local religious university here in Montgomery (Faulkner) - mainly pc classes but also business law and accounting, my degree is in computer science but pc's weren't really all that available then and my corriculum was computer heavy - no business classes and one or two accounting classes (my last classes were in 1985 and I took these pc classes in 1987).

I was a part time student and I had a job and a husband. I had to get permission to live off campus, I constantly got written up for not attending chapel (excuse me, I was at WORK), and I had to take a religion class each semester even though I wasn't working toward a degree. I was basically passing the time trying to learn more things that would help me get a job in computing - this is while I was working retail.

The classes were ok - I can't fault them on the few classes I took but I wouldn't want to send a child of mine there - I don't have any kids so that is not a concern I have to worry about. I do know that they had some pretty strict rules and that some of the students there had been sent by their parents in order to straighten them out (they had been roudy in high school) or to keep them isolated from the "real world".

 

[kt_mom]

I don't understand how its the school's fault if parents send their kids there. Its a private school and they have the right to set their rules as they please. Maybe the parents are pushing their kids to go there, or say they will only pay for them to go there. But in the end, these "kids" are adults and can go to whatever college they please. They wouldn't be the first student that had to pay their own way through school. If they decide to go to LU b/c their parents pushed them to that is not the school's problem, and I don't see where the school should have to change their rules b/c of this. A large majority of the students at Liberty are there because they WANT to be, and they love it. If you've ever sat in on one of their convocations or been to a fottball game or something they have just as much pride in their school as students who go elsewhere. So if the kids that chose to go there are okay with the rules I don't see why people have to be so judgemental about it. They are not hurting anybody.

ETA
They are not isolated from the real world. Who says the real world has to consist of R rated movies and drunken parties? What is it that everyone thinks they are missing out on that is so important?

And they are not all as "isolated" as you think. I partied with plenty of LU students as well as other locals and students from the other surrounding colleges. I never got written up for anything the entire time I was there other than a parking ticket. I did get called into the dean's office once because a security officer that I was arguing over a ticket with saw my tongue ring. I took it out before I went in and she just said I couldn't wear it on campus.

I went to LU b/c it was free. I didn't really want to go to college at all, at least not right then. So I went pretty much to class and that was it. But I watched the other students around me all the time, and the vast majority of them were happy to be there. They loved the school the environment and were more than happy to follow the rules. And everyone I know has gone on to be successful at whatever they worked towards.

 

[RealMickeysGirl]

I don't understand how its the school's fault if parents send their kids there. Its a private school and they have the right to set their rules as they please. Maybe the parents are pushing their kids to go there, or say they will only pay for them to go there.

You are right - it isn't the school's fault - I was just saying that one reason a child might not like the college is that it wasn't their idea to go there in the first place. IF the kid wants to go there and is comfortable with the rules then I hope they do go and have a wonderful time. That time of life for everyone should be enjoyable - you are becoming independant, learning who you are as a person, seeing what the real world is like.

They are not isolated from the real world. Who says the real world has to consist of R rated movies and drunken parties? What is it that everyone thinks they are missing out on that is so important?

I can't say for everyone, only the students that I saw at one school. No - they don't have to go to R rated movies or have drunken parties to have a good experience. I just knew students who were very sheltered at home and were then very sheltered by the college. I do admit some of these students would have been the ones who went wild in a non-religious college setting - but not all.

I guess what I am trying to say is that kids need some freedoms and need to make some mistakes for themselves. My parents were fairly strict but I knew what was going on in the world I had friends who drank and did drugs. I wasn't pressured to do either and decided not to. I didn't feel the need to binge drink or do drugs when I got to college. I was almost 20 when I had my first drink and this was back when you could buy beer at 18.

 

[jodifla]

I still disagree. If I can get the job I want with my degree, then it is just as good as any other degree. If I know just as much about psychology as someone who graduated elsewhere, my degree is just as good. I know when I get my Master's degree, I can take the LPC exam, the same one that a person from VaTech or UVA does. There may be a few professions where the place you graduated plays an important part in what kind of job or prestige you may have, but thats not where most people live. Some people just need a certain school's name on their degree for their ego.

A lot of the worth of a degree is the perception of what it is worth. So if the person hiring feels a bias toward Liberty and its academic environment, as you've already heard that many do, then no, your degree is not worth the same as a degree from a university that allows its professors academic freedom.

Where you get your degree from can make ALL the difference, depending on the field.