Libby Indicted, Resigns

[MizBlu]

I don't care who is in office Dem. or Rep.. If someone outs a CIA agent and covers it up , then they should have their day in court. I don't understand how people can stick up for that kind of behavior. This isn't about Martha or Bill but Scooter. That kind of devotion to a party is dangerous. This effects us all not just one party. Have we forgotten that this is about all of our security. This administration has put us in jeopardy more than once. It is time the right stops apologizing for Bush's actions .

The Bush apologists are more concerned about a **** job than a snow job that caused the deaths of over 2000 Americans.

 

[MizBlu]

Again Mizblu. At the risk of sounding repetitious; One isn't guilty until they are convicted. Are you familiar with that concept??? I haven't seen one instance where he refused to hand anything over that was requested or answer what he was asked. I don't remember what I said or who I spoke to two years ago, do you? Notes can certainly conflict with memory. If that were not so, than everyone would get a 100% on any test as long as it was in their notes. I would guess that an interview with Libby was a lot more memorable to Miller and Cooper than it was to Libby, given his position in the administration vs. their position in the media.

Alas, poor Scooter!

Neither Russert, Tenet, Miller, Novak, Cooper, Merrill, Lynch, Pierce, Sacco, or Vanzetti could cooborate his story.

 

[DawnCt1]

The Bush apologists are more concerned about a **** job than a snow job that caused the deaths of over 2000 Americans.

I would say that it wasn't a **** job but an abuse of power that was part of his personality since Clinton was attorney general in Arkansas but that's another thread. The part that is going to be sooo disappointing to you Mizblu is that this is not a referendum on Iraq, on the intelligence that got us there or anything else. This is about one person and nothing more. The fact remains; the Brits stand behind their intelligence. The Senate subcommittee on intelligence confirm that Iraq was trying to establish trade with Nigere. Now lets see. Iraq has dates and plenty of sand as does Nigere. In fact, thats about all Nigere has except what??? I know! YELLOW CAKE!!! That's the conclusion that the Brits and the Senate subcommittee on Intelligence came to. Why Joe "the liar" Wilson was sent was beyond me...except perhaps nepotism???

 

[eclectics]

I saw Clinton a month ago on TV from NY, a Global Initiative or some such. He got some rich people together and some heads of state and they have their own little USAID-type thing going. I thought it was kind of arrogant myself, but anyway, he gets his own air time.

He does come off as arrogant to some. I could never figure out why. Maybe the way he shakes his head and juts his chin out or something? I think the same about GWB with his smirking. But you have to admit, Bill raises a lot of money for some very good causes, along with GHWB. I applaud them both!

 

[MizBlu]

I would say that it wasn't a **** job but an abuse of power that was part of his personality since Clinton was attorney general in Arkansas but that's another thread. The part that is going to be sooo disappointing to you Mizblu is that this is not a referendum on Iraq, on the intelligence that got us there or anything else. This is about one person and nothing more. The fact remains; the Brits stand behind their intelligence. The Senate subcommittee on intelligence confirm that Iraq was trying to establish trade with Nigere. Now lets see. Iraq has dates and plenty of sand as does Nigere. In fact, thats about all Nigere has except what??? I know! YELLOW CAKE!!! That's the conclusion that the Brits and the Senate subcommittee on Intelligence came to. Why Joe "the liar" Wilson was sent was beyond me...except perhaps nepotism???

There's already a referendum going on in mainstream America about Bush's war in Iraq and his souped-up intelliegence to get us there and it isn't going the Bush apologist way.

 

[Galahad]

I don't care who is in office Dem. or Rep.. If someone outs a CIA agent and covers it up , then they should have their day in court. I don't understand how people can stick up for that kind of behavior. This isn't about Martha or Bill but Scooter. That kind of devotion to a party is dangerous. This effects us all not just one party. Have we forgotten that this is about all of our security. This administration has put us in jeopardy more than once. It is time the right stops apologizing for Bush's actions .

Devotion to party lead many to see crimes in the Clinton Whitehouse that didn't exist. Judging from these threads it still is. Devotion to party can lead many to see crimes in the Bush Whitehouse that don't exist. Attempts to see the Nixon administration in the Bush administration or Vietnam in Iraq or the Carter adminstraton in the Clinton administration for that matter are no less misguided nostalgia than attempts to sell me a Volvo using folk music.

 

[DawnCt1]

There's already a referendum going on in mainstream America about Bush's war in Iraq and his souped-up intelliegence to get us there and it isn't going the Bush apologist way.

I am seriously glad that we don't rely on polls and focus groups to decide our foreign policy. We would all be speaking German or Japanese if that were the case. And with that I will bid you good night as I have evening plans.

 

[Viking]

I am seriously glad that we don't rely on polls and focus groups to decide our foreign policy. We would all be speaking German or Japanese if that were the case. And with that I will bid you good night as I have evening plans.

I'm sure both German and Japanese would be too complicated for you

And BTW since when does the Bush administration have a foreign policy? - except from raiding countries on false grounds?
And please don't start something about Germany raiding countries - WE have learned from our mistakes.

 

[Planogirl]

I saw Clinton a month ago on TV from NY, a Global Initiative or some such. He got some rich people together and some heads of state and they have their own little USAID-type thing going. I thought it was kind of arrogant myself, but anyway, he gets his own air time.

Hmmm, really? I never though of Clinton as arrogant particularly since he's been ill. He seems kind of quiet now but still very good-looking.

I did comment on all of the Clinton comments in this thread but I never said that EVERYONE was making them. Just certain people who can't let their own hate go.

 

[yeartolate]

Unlike Clinton, Bush is more concerned about getting the job done than taking credit.

Two words....mission accomplished.

 

[Teejay32]

Hmmm, really? I never though of Clinton as arrogant particularly since he's been ill. He seems kind of quiet now but still very good-looking.

I did comment on all of the Clinton comments in this thread but I never said that EVERYONE was making them. Just certain people who can't let their own hate go.

I meant "it", the Clinton Global Initiative, I found kind of arrogant...and then immediately forgot about it so it's not a big deal to me. I have no opinion on the man himself. The pluses and minuses cancel each other out.

 

[swilphil]

Unlike Clinton, Bush is more concerned about getting the job done than taking credit. If reaching out across party lines increases contributions for relief efforts, then he is willing to befriend those who would stab him in the back. It takes a big man to do that.

Clinton was not concerned about getting the job done when he was in office? Are you serious?? Do we need to list all of Clinton's successes and Bush's failure? To make things easy, let's just all think about what the country was like in 2000 and what is going on now. There's foreign policy, unemployment, governement efficiency, and more. I don't know about you, but my mutual funds still aren't as high as they were when Clinton was in office.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I am seriously glad that we don't rely on polls and focus groups to decide our foreign policy.

But Bush sure does when it comes to withdrawing Supreme Court nominees...two words: Harriet Meirs! So much for being sure of your selections and supporting your choices without swaying with public opinion...

 

[What the Heck]

Clinton lied about sex with an intern - Bush and his aides lied about reasons for going to war.
Obviously the average rightwinger thinks screwing an intern is worse than screwing a country

Clinton lied under oath which is a crime in our country. It was also one of the reasons for 9/11 according to what I read, our moral shortcomings. Not only did he have sex outside of marriage, he lied about it to our Congress (the ones who are supposed to have oversight over his job) and to the American people, and to his wife. There is no question about this, he ultimately admitted it to everyone (which is to his credit).

The "lies" of the Bush Administration were the same "lies" coming from your government as well as the French government as well as the Russian government. They didn't say he was lieing, they said there wasn't enough proof to go to war. They didn't argue the "facts", only if the "facts" were enough.

Obviously, you think that 9/11 is better for our country than our defending ourselves.

 

[What the Heck]

I don't care who is in office Dem. or Rep.. If someone outs a CIA agent and covers it up , then they should have their day in court. I don't understand how people can stick up for that kind of behavior. This isn't about Martha or Bill but Scooter. That kind of devotion to a party is dangerous. This effects us all not just one party. Have we forgotten that this is about all of our security. This administration has put us in jeopardy more than once. It is time the right stops apologizing for Bush's actions .

You are absolutely right, lets hang them!

Wow, when did we move to Russia? According to the indictment, it wasn't about outing a CIA agent and covering it up, otherwise that charge would have been listed. That is the charge they were specificially investigating, and they didn't find anything there. I'm sorry if listing the facts to you makes me a Bush apologist, but the law classes I took said that people should be entitled to a trial.

What is surprising is the way the claim "Bush apologist" is used. No facts are brought forth, but the phrase comes out like a phaser set to stun to take an argument from civil to a "did not" "did too" situation.

 

[What the Heck]

Clinton was not concerned about getting the job done when he was in office? Are you serious?? Do we need to list all of Clinton's successes and Bush's failure? To make things easy, let's just all think about what the country was like in 2000 and what is going on now. There's foreign policy, unemployment, governement efficiency, and more. I don't know about you, but my mutual funds still aren't as high as they were when Clinton was in office.

Your last sentance is absolutely right - in 1999 and the first part of 2000. Mine started falling in March of 2000 (Clinton was still in office). Let's talk about just a few items of Clinton's foreign policy:

1993 - Secretary of the Navy Aspin (what a disgrace) with the approval of President Clinton decide that the general on the ground in Mogadishu (sp) doesn't really need all of the weapons he has asked for in his mission, it will save about $100,000 to not send the requested tanks in.

2000 - Able Danger warns specifically that if we have the USS Cole in port in Yemen, it will be attacked. This wasn't a "they are planning to use airplanes against us sometime in the future", this was a "if you bring it to port on October 12th it will be attacked". I guess he was distracted somewhere else.

I could go on, but this really gets off topic. Let's just say that we have different opinions about Mr. Clinton and his place in history. The real issue is Mr. Libby. If he is found guilty, then he should get the same punishment that anyone else would get for the same crime.

 

[yeartolate]

According to the indictment, it wasn't about outing a CIA agent and covering it up, otherwise that charge would have been listed. :

You are correct, Libby was indicted on one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements.

If he is found guilty he should have the book thrown at him. When folks start lying and obstructing justice the investigators get distracted and further from the truth. The truth really may have been "it was all an innocent mistake", but when folks cloud the truth it makes it really look like there is something that needs to be hidden. In this case, the truth is about outing a CIA operative (either innocently or maliciously) which potentially put many peoples lives in danger. Serious business.

 

[MizBlu]

Clinton lied under oath which is a crime in our country. It was also one of the reasons for 9/11 according to what I read, our moral shortcomings. Not only did he have sex outside of marriage, he lied about it to our Congress (the ones who are supposed to have oversight over his job) and to the American people, and to his wife. There is no question about this, he ultimately admitted it to everyone (which is to his credit).

Let me see if I get this. According to you, a **** job was one of the reasons for 9/11?

The "lies" of the Bush Administration were the same "lies" coming from your government as well as the French government as well as the Russian government. They didn't say he was lieing, they said there wasn't enough proof to go to war. They didn't argue the "facts", only if the "facts" were enough.

Obviously, you think that 9/11 is better for our country than our defending ourselves.

Here's where you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Viking has been a good friend to all of us and loves vacationing here. He loves Americans and what Americans used to stand for before the vision was perverted by the Bush administration.

Viking's country changed their constitution so could they fight along side Americans Afghanistan. Several of Viking's countryman died fighting in Afghanistan.

A good friend doesn't just tell you what you want to hear or what makes you comfortable. A good friend tells you the truth.

I thnk you owe Viking an apology and I'm sure a decent gentleman like yourself will come to understand you crossed over the line.

 

[eclectics]

Clinton lied under oath which is a crime in our country. It was also one of the reasons for 9/11 according to what I read, our moral shortcomings. Not only did he have sex outside of marriage, he lied about it to our Congress (the ones who are supposed to have oversight over his job) and to the American people, and to his wife. There is no question about this, he ultimately admitted it to everyone (which is to his credit).

The "lies" of the Bush Administration were the same "lies" coming from your government as well as the French government as well as the Russian government. They didn't say he was lieing, they said there wasn't enough proof to go to war. They didn't argue the "facts", only if the "facts" were enough.

Obviously, you think that 9/11 is better for our country than our defending ourselves.

And Reagan lied to Congress and The American People. Nixon lied, JFK lied, etc. etc. etc. So Clinton having sex with a intern caused 9/11? I think it's more American arrogance than America's lack of morals. According to them, the entire world is immoral (except for them, of course). Why did they pick the Pentagon and our financial institutions to destroy instead of Las Vegas's brothels? Regarding Iraq, there was plenty of credible intellegence telling Bush and Blair that WMD's in Iraq just didn't add up. We went into Iraq to get Saddam out because we didn't like him. Plain and simple.

 

[Teejay32]

Here's where you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Viking has been a good friend to all of us and loves vacationing here. He loves Americans and what Americans used to stand for before the vision was perverted by the Bush administration.

Viking's also longtime DBer who can speak for himself, and I hope he does, because I'd love to know what we used to stand for and why holding this view excuses his dumb insults.